Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered

I remember arguing with most of the cafe when he was persona non grata (similar to Rashford and others) so it's heart-warming to see the turnaround.... but feck me it got real toxic over him in hear for a long time
 
Maguire was immense last night but contract talks after one game ? Steady on. We’re 13th in the league.
 
Any reason why we wouldn't just use the extension first? If we do that, he is under contract until the end of next season, at which time he'll be 33. Then we can potentially do shorter deals, depending on the squad situation.
 
Very happy with him at the weekend, the large fee and being appointed Captain didn't do him any good. Nice to see him just focus on his own game and delivering. I assume we'll trigger the 12 month extension before Xmas,
 
Art said:
Maguire was immense last night but contract talks after one game ? Steady on. We’re 13th in the league.
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He’s been good for a while now, plus he’s been out most of the season so can’t really fault him for our league position
 
Mike Smalling said:
Any reason why we wouldn't just use the extension first? If we do that, he is under contract until the end of next season, at which time he'll be 33. Then we can potentially do shorter deals, depending on the squad situation.
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This is the way to go. Harry can definitely do a job, but his fall-off due to age is imminent and should be accounted for. I'm sure, at this point, he'll see the writing on the wall and he'll want to stay here rather than try to forge on full-time elsewhere. Even without the captain's band, you can still see him leading and with less game time he'll stay healthy. Jonny Evans has shown us the way on that.
 
Some will turn things around like Maguire, other not and will be sold (most likely Rashford)
 
1v1 against a typical number 9 and hes a monster. He only struggled when he had runners against him... but thats when his team mates needed to help him. He can be a key to fix our defending during set pieces.
 
Would be happy to trigger that 1 year extension

we still need his aerial presence against strong forwards. his "no complain, just work" mentality is good example for young temmates too

we have too many positions to fix (ST, LCAM, LWB, CM are must) so we can't bring in 2 or 3 new cbs next summer.
 
tenpoless said:
1v1 against a typical number 9 and hes a monster. He only struggled when he had runners against him... but thats when his team mates needed to help him. He can be a key to fix our defending during set pieces.
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Absolutely this.

Even at 3rd/4th choice, he’ll get plenty of games and be handy for rotation/injuries
 
The flip flopping of the United fans over Maguire is tiresome.

Yes he's had a splendid game against City. Isn't the first time he's managed to keep some good performances when there's a new manager.

Doesn't necessarily mean he should be given a new contract when his existing one runs out. He'll be 34 then and on massive wages. I have no problem with Maguire getting to see minutes and having a good season or two with us. But extending his contract with our financial duresses means the equivalent of a salary of 2-3 squad members.

Is that worth it ? Nope
 
And I like Maguire. I've never been the one to overly criticize him.

It's time. He had his chances and has been middling at best with quite a large chunk of salary being paid for him.
 
He’s perfect in a 3 at the back formation but one like we played against city. Where it wasn’t an high line. At home against lower teams he won’t be good as we will want to play an high line. This is what I like about Amorim, he changes line ups based on opponents aswell as form.
 
ScholesBrain said:
Would be happy to trigger that 1 year extension

we still need his aerial presence against strong forwards. his "no complain, just work" mentality is good example for young temmates too

we have too many positions to fix (ST, LCAM, LWB, CM are must) so we can't bring in 2 or 3 new cbs next summer.
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This is a great point and seldom brought up. Our current senior players are Casemiro,Shaw, Maguire, Eriksen, Evans and Bruno. Apart from Bruno I think the rest are very close to the exit door. Maguire is a former captain for club and country, and has apart from a few blips been largely a model professional. Especially for young English players, he could be a valuable resource and mentor.
 
He's a good squad player and in a form like that starting material. with 3 at the back think he can play highline with Onana sweeping + Ugarte to cover. We didnt have any problems with City, so tests will come, but we defend much better as a team, not in isolation like under ETH and other managers
 
Mike Smalling said:
Any reason why we wouldn't just use the extension first? If we do that, he is under contract until the end of next season, at which time he'll be 33. Then we can potentially do shorter deals, depending on the squad situation.
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A new contract could be signed on lower wages. Maguire would secure his long term future, United would keep a good squad player and save on his last year. Harry seems to be a reasonable character who’d favor a pragmatic approach. So why not?
 
RedinIndia said:
The flip flopping of the United fans over Maguire is tiresome.

Yes he's had a splendid game against City. Isn't the first time he's managed to keep some good performances when there's a new manager.

Doesn't necessarily mean he should be given a new contract when his existing one runs out. He'll be 34 then and on massive wages. I have no problem with Maguire getting to see minutes and having a good season or two with us. But extending his contract with our financial duresses means the equivalent of a salary of 2-3 squad members.

Is that worth it ? Nope
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I would imagine that the potential extension would mean a different salary that would reflect his current status as an ageing rotation option. Extending him on the reportedly £190k per week that he currently gets would be madness, of course.
 
ThinkTank@Cafe said:
A new contract could be signed on lower wages. Maguire would secure his long term future, United would keep a good squad player and save on his last year. Harry seems to be a reasonable character who’d favor a pragmatic approach. So why not?
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All for this, doubt he'd get something like 100k wages somewhere else. Something like that and he would be a squad option for the next 2-3 years I'd say.
 
A new contract at 32 would be madness but I don’t have an issue triggering the one year and shaking hands at the end. He seems to be good for the dressing room and happy to accept a back up role. Definitely a bit of recency bias there but I guess it’s not surprising. He’s always done better in a back three for England and we’re without a doubt better set up for defensive stability now.

It seems pretty certain that Lindelof and Evans will be leaving at the end of the season so there’s no need to put pressure on ourselves in the market. Attacking wing backs must be the biggest priority.
 
RedinIndia said:
The flip flopping of the United fans over Maguire is tiresome.

Yes he's had a splendid game against City. Isn't the first time he's managed to keep some good performances when there's a new manager.

Doesn't necessarily mean he should be given a new contract when his existing one runs out. He'll be 34 then and on massive wages. I have no problem with Maguire getting to see minutes and having a good season or two with us. But extending his contract with our financial duresses means the equivalent of a salary of 2-3 squad members.

Is that worth it ? Nope
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I wonder if the new contract might not income a significant reduction in wages
 
jem said:
I wonder if the new contract might not income a significant reduction in wages
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I wonder if clubs sometimes offer a wage that drops off gradually for players at this stage. For Maguire it could have been £150k a week next year (at 32), £120k a week at 33 and £90k a week at 34.

It would reduce the risk for both club and player making it easier to give a longer contract.
 
Dan_F said:
A new contract at 32 would be madness but I don’t have an issue triggering the one year and shaking hands at the end. He seems to be good for the dressing room and happy to accept a back up role. Definitely a bit of recency bias there but I guess it’s not surprising. He’s always done better in a back three for England and we’re without a doubt better set up for defensive stability now.

It seems pretty certain that Lindelof and Evans will be leaving at the end of the season so there’s no need to put pressure on ourselves in the market. Attacking wing backs must be the biggest priority.
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Yeah, 4 CB should be enough, especially since one of the CB positions is sometimes taken by Mazraoui or some other fullback.
 
I wouldn't say he's turned his utd career around.

I wouldn't give him a new contract.

It is refreshing to see how Maguire has handled the negative media, the online criticisms from his own fans and poor form to just stay patient and work hard in training and trust your chance will come again.

Has he been a failure here? I'd say so. He provided so many individual error's. He wasn't helped by being involved in a poor UTD team. The captaincy and expectation crippled him.

But he is a true professional who got on with it and he's playing well now. He's not our future but you got to praise him for the way he has come back.

He was down and out here - a laughing stock really.

A lot of our squad could benefit from his mindset
 
Mike Smalling said:
Any reason why we wouldn't just use the extension first? If we do that, he is under contract until the end of next season, at which time he'll be 33. Then we can potentially do shorter deals, depending on the squad situation.
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I like Maguire more than most on here but agree with you. I really don’t see a need for this, it seems highly unlikely he’d receive a better offer between now and then, and if he did, it wouldn’t be a disaster to lose him at 33.
 
BuzzKillington said:
I like Maguire more than most on here but agree with you. I really don’t see a need for this, it seems highly unlikely he’d receive a better offer between now and then, and if he did, it wouldn’t be a disaster to lose him at 33.
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It's kind of a risk no matter what you do.

You +1 him

You get a known quantity, rotational option or better if his vein of good form continues in this system.
Cost ~£10m

You let him go

Your budget to net 0 on the books to replace him is ~£10m
A 80k per week defender, with a cost of £30m or less

That's a tight margin to find someone AS good if not better for that money.

You give him a 2+1 on much reduced terms.

If you offer him 100k, it halves his curent deal but I doubt he's going to get a better offer anywhere else, he certainly didn't before and he's older now. That keeps him around on decent terms for a rotational player of his experience and level. Gives us time to spend this year on other areas and start longer term plan his replacement.

He'll probably say no, but that's the "safest" option to me.
 
Trigger the one year extension and then evaluate at the end of that.

If he wants to run down his contract and leave, that's fine also.

Most defenders tend to decline quite rapidly after 33.
 
I presume Utd will activate the +1 and release him at the end of next season. We will be losing Lindelof and Evans this season. I don’t think we’ve the funds to replace 3 CB’s in one window
 
afrocentricity said:
I remember arguing with most of the cafe when he was persona non grata (similar to Rashford and others) so it's heart-warming to see the turnaround.... but feck me it got real toxic over him in hear for a long time
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as i mentioned in the other thread, maguire was what the media is making rashford now - a scapegoat.

fans eventually understand that the performances are down to the coach. but currently the coach is new so the underperformance has to be put down to a player. that is how it goes, media merry go round
 
Dan_F said:
A new contract at 32 would be madness but I don’t have an issue triggering the one year and shaking hands at the end. He seems to be good for the dressing room and happy to accept a back up role. Definitely a bit of recency bias there but I guess it’s not surprising. He’s always done better in a back three for England and we’re without a doubt better set up for defensive stability now.

It seems pretty certain that Lindelof and Evans will be leaving at the end of the season so there’s no need to put pressure on ourselves in the market. Attacking wing backs must be the biggest priority.
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Why wouldn't the new contract be for a year (with an option to extend) like so many clubs do nowadays for players over 30?

I would assume that triggering an extension would mean that we keep him for a year longer with the same astronomically high salary (for a player of his caliber and current squad status).
 
Mike Smalling said:
Any reason why we wouldn't just use the extension first? If we do that, he is under contract until the end of next season, at which time he'll be 33. Then we can potentially do shorter deals, depending on the squad situation.
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Any reason why we would?

Extending his contract means extending his 190k/w wages contract, why not just give him a completely new short contract with much lower wages? Like 2+1 years, on 80-100k/w
 
tenpoless said:
1v1 against a typical number 9 and hes a monster. He only struggled when he had runners against him... but thats when his team mates needed to help him. He can be a key to fix our defending during set pieces.
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Back 3 with a mobile + aggressive DM suits him. As you say, he's a traditional CB, put him against a 9 and he rarely comes out worse off, he just endured years (as have all our CBs) of no real DM and constant counter attacks from a careless-in-possession front three/four.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
as i mentioned in the other thread, maguire was what the media is making rashford now - a scapegoat.

fans eventually understand that the performances are down to the coach. but currently the coach is new so the underperformance has to be put down to a player. that is how it goes, media merry go round
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Or players are underperforming and get called out for it?

Nobody is blaming Rashford for United being 13th and nobody blamed Maguire either.

Maguires "renaissance" is basically him barely playing. So the attention levels drop.

But some players will always get more attention than others. That's not scapegoating, it's just how life works.

Rashford has seeked that attention as well. Nobody made him appear on the cover of Vogue etc.

"Scapegoat" has become such a pointless and overused phrase.
 
Maguire's problems are either when he's in a flat race with a fast runner, or when he's in an awkward position on the ball and needs to make tight angle passes under pressure. You don't want Maguire, facing goal, trying to play a difficult pass to a team mate to get out of a press.

But when he's given time on the ball in central positions, he has excellent passing range, and he can carry the ball forward well. He's good at pushing up and making early interceptions, and of course he's really strong at defending the box in the air.

For the right sided CB position, I still think De Ligt is a better bet. In that position you tend to push out and get involved in slightly more awkward situations on the edge of midfield in a way that suits someone who can turn quickly and make angles.

But for that central CB position, Maguire has the most compatible attributes of all our defenders. If he can maintain his form I think he can secure that position this season.
 
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I really really admire how he pretty much came back from the dead to perform at a high level again.

Dude had the worst season of his career, became an internet meme, the who world was laughing at him, and losing the captaincy was the icing on the cake. A complete and utter humiliation.

Somehow he managed to silence the background noise, and just focus on getting better.

I don't think he'll necessary be a regular starter this season, but I have to say, I have massive respect for him now. You rarely see players recover from this. And even though he wasn't a great captain, I believe he's now a role model for the rest of our players, and a proof that you can only silence the noise on the pitch, not through PR bullshit, just on the pitch.

Antony is going through this humiliation right now, and it makes you wonder if there's a way back for him. I'd certainly look to Maguire for inspiration.
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Maguire is the perfect example of why things can go wrong and how a player can make things right. Funnily enough lots of similarities to Rashford.

A player who was put above what he really is and for too long not called out for bad performances by pundits / media. Fans are not blind so obviously we criticise his performances and form.

Like rashford he also has an entourage who would contact media or post stuff. Making things worse.

The redemption:

After losing the captaincy and automatic starting spot he didn’t moan or complain. When he played he played well. When we had injuries and needed him for months on months last season he was one of our best players. And now he is a player who Amorim might select even if all our other CB are available. A great player to have available for selection.
 
Maybe, depending on Evans staying one more year... However with Lindelof departing, Kukonki being promoted, plus Maguire staying one of few experienced ones, this could save chunk of funds on creative midfielder, goalscorer and perhaps even blistering left back / winger type.

Rearrangements to be had.
 
RaddyRed said:
On this form we should play him upfront again.
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As long as we don’t pay him upfront again.

Joking. But he’s been a huge scapegoat for many at a time. People should look back to what they wrote about him a couple of years back and review with themselves wether it sorted under ‘fair and necessary criticism’ or wether it reads more like hanging someone out to dry, or piling on top of someone, or kicking someone when they’re down, or taking the man instead of the ball, or similar less constructive activities.

I’m not going to point fingers or search in threads, but I wish a few people learnt from the barrage that went on at the time.
 
Marwood said:
Or players are underperforming and get called out for it?

Nobody is blaming Rashford for United being 13th and nobody blamed Maguire either.

Maguires "renaissance" is basically him barely playing. So the attention levels drop.

But some players will always get more attention than others. That's not scapegoating, it's just how life works.

Rashford has seeked that attention as well. Nobody made him appear on the cover of Vogue etc.

"Scapegoat" has become such a pointless and overused phrase.
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Do you only read certain posts or something? They were both regularly blamed! It's as though you have a blind spot for the many "hE's evErythiNG thATs wrONg WITh thIS CLub" posts scattered over the internet, including here... anyway I am not getting pulled into a Maguire argument after he's pretty much silenced the boo boys
 
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