Cobblers.
Complete BS. But sure, lets reward professionalism. Should we also make a appointment for talking about the lowered standards once again, when would it fit you?!
He is not right now. I'd say we start some strategic thinking not always just half a year into the future.
Yeah solid. Nothing more nothing less. The stuff dreams are made of.
Because others aren't available or too inexperienced yet. Some of you make it look as if he was simply better than the rest of our defenders to earn his spot. He wasn't. Where is this drive coming from to fill this story up with some redemption storyline?!
I guess we can discuss the extent of "sensible" but I wouldn't disagree with this. But I also wouldn't flinch for a second when he left on the 30th of June.
Apart from making a great catchy phrase - what exactly means "works his ass off"? Seriously guys, explain to me what he did, what indicates, that he did anything others haven't done?
What is BS? That I consider him a proper professional? He exemplifies it compared to some others — look at Rashford and Sancho.
"Here's Johnny!"
Of course not. You can consider him all you like. I consider him a professional as well. Doesn't mean that we should stick to him. He is the posterboy for everything that went wrong at the club. Not his fault, sure, and yes, I am a little sorry for him and his bad timing. But that hit people like Rash and Sancho as well. What about lets not look at Rashford or Sancho. What about lets stop looking on ourselves all the time. Comparing our players only to their team mates. What about lets compare them to our fecking rivals. The target is to become competitive again. Is Maguire going to help with that? Most likely not, most likely he isn't going to make much of a difference. So lets handle him like we handle the 4th or 5th choice CB he is. When he is fine with short term contracts and reasonable wages and isn't standing in the way of people who might have the chance to actually improve our team in the future, then fine. If not, good riddance. And that should apply to every player.
Thanks for showing that other people are actually reading posts and try to follow another posters line of thought. Kudos to you
You replied to my post, not the other way around, it is not my job to decipher the magic between your line of thought.
Just fyi I have not at all thought about you when typing that post. No need to get defensive, I only talk about Maguire here
No worries mate. I don't think he's fantastic either but I do feel he is a proper professional that atleast sets a good example on how to act like one. Considering the poor professionalism that seems to fester at the club I think he can set a good example.
Disagree with the bolded provided he is willing to agree a new deal on a lower salary. We have a lot of holes in the squad and with a system that involves 3 at the back we need a minimum of 6 senior players for that position to allow for rotation and inevitable injuries. Lindelof and Evans will both be released in the summer leaving us light in that department and it is far cheaper to renew Harry as a squad option for a couple more years than pay transfer fees, agent fees etc. for a replacement when we are having to address more pressing needs with a limited budget.
He never complained, he never cried. When selected he tried his hardest, he gradually improved his form.'
Not sure that makes sense as the one thing he did have going for him during those rough seasons was his fitness; whereas he’s missed quite a bit of time in the last few seasons.
This is "working his ass off"?? I consider everything you say as absolute standard.
Right. So lets go and celebrate the ones who are not shit. Not sure thats the way forward. Depending on where we want to go of course.
Completely agree. And I totally respect that Maguire kept his head down and went over business the way he did. But he also did get 190k a week, I am fairly sure, mostpeople would have the delivered comparable performances in the "expectations met but not exceeded" bracket.
Saying these things while apparently watching us every week is an even bigger thing. Lets not get into it again. I consider all your takes on this specific player as completely crazy. So crazy, that it becomes beyond impossible to evaluate your takes on other matters.
From a purely financial perspective sure he might be worth keeping, but let’s see if he’s willing to drop his salary.
Saying these things while apparently watching us every week is an even bigger thing. Lets not get into it again. I consider all your takes on this specific player as completely crazy. So crazy, that it becomes beyond impossible to evaluate your takes on other matters.
I mean seriously? You watch us on a regular basis and you see one of the worlds best CCBs there? Really? Is this some rest alcohol from the holidays?!
Also why are you reacting now to a post from 2 weeks ago?
Sometimes you can decide against pragmatism. Especially given that we don't know about the conditions in question for a supposed new deal for the player. I think, it is safe to say that we will bring hin another CB this summer. My feeling is, it will be a an expensive one. We might as well bring in a younger cheap one with a Malacia profile. There is no point, spending too much money on our bench right now. Also, this season is gone anyways. Difficult to predict how next season will go but it would be not very pragmatic to expect us to play for multiple titles. Therefor, we can afford to let him go. I can see the point in keeping him on a small salary but it would have to be really small (for me personally) because I think, minutes for him are somewhat wasted. I'd rather have somebody like Willy or Mengi right now. Even if they aren't good enough for us long term, we could still sell them.
I can see that point but I don't know that any of the current youth crop are of that caliber, admittedly I have seen very little of Kukonki so don't know how he would stack up. Some of this is additionally complicated by the fact that any objective view of our center backs this season raises serious questions about whether Martinez will survive the season, he has struggled ever since his injury and in this new system looks like the weakest link on the field.
Ok, makes sense.
No mate, don't get me wrong, I am sure it makes sense to you but I really don't want to play such games.
I think, you got there first with the statement, that he might be the best in something...
There are always good and bad arguments and and as I said multiple times, I also think, that some of the criticism was unfair. But that doesn't make him a better player. I have no idea how one could watch United and come to the idea one player might be the best at anything.
What exactly do you know about how good he is in a back 3?! Because under Amorim he was decent to ok until now (but Amorim is here since like not even 10 games) and the only memories where he played such a position are from England but from years ago. And just for fun, I am sure that every Sporting defender is better in that system than he is.
