Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire

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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Good aerially but I don’t see an thing else. Better than what we have though.
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I'm not completely sold on him, but I think the above does him a bit of a disservice. He's very good on the ball, both passing and bringing it out from the back, and does so with a lot of confidence.

His discipline and positioning is somewhat erratic though. He reminds me of a toned-down David Luiz. Talented, but masks shortcomings with enthusiasm and a little too much aggression, though nowhere near as headless as Luiz. There's a player in there though, and a top club will improve him. Just depends on if Jose wants to spend big on the finished article like Toby, or someone still a little rough around the edges like Maguire. We already have Bailly who fits the same bill as Maguire, and to a lesser extent Lindelof.
 
It's like everyone forget what SAF use to say about tournaments.

You cannot judge a player based on a tourney, it comes with a natural adrenaline that makes people perform and such performance can't be replicated throughtout the season.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
I'm not completely sold on him, but I think the above does him a bit of a disservice. He's very good on the ball, both passing and bringing it out from the back, and does so with a lot of confidence.

His discipline and positioning is somewhat erratic though. He reminds me of a toned-down David Luiz. Talented, but masks shortcomings with enthusiasm and a little too much aggression, though nowhere near as headless as Luiz. There's a player in there though, and a top club will improve him. Just depends on if Jose wants to spend big on the finished article like Toby, or someone still a little rough around the edges like Maguire. We already have Bailly who fits the same bill as Maguire, and to a lesser extent Lindelof.
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I don’t think Bailly is anything like Maguire. He’s pretty fast for a start but has nowhere near the attacking qualities of Maguire.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I don’t think Bailly is anything like Maguire. He’s pretty fast for a start but has nowhere near the attacking qualities of Maguire.
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They're not similar at all. I just meant that Maguire has clear talent but is still rather raw, as is Bailly. Still a lot for both to improve on, and I'd be surprised if any CB acquisition this summer isn't more of a finished article; Toby, Bonucci, etc.
 
ti vu said:
I question whether you watch him enough then.

For Hull and Leicester, he was the one who is to go to stop the ball carrier. Step out of of the CB partnership to win header while Curtis Davis and Morgan majority to sweep behind. Him winning the ball helps with his style to since likes to get on the ball and initialize attack.

England plays 3 at the back and the sweeper is Stones with both sides CBs were allowed to go out and try to stop opposition play.

Edit: what is an old fashioned stopper? As if there is modern one. Long gone? As in no competition football last couple days?
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so he's a stopper in a back 3 from the left side , how does that work?
So is Walker a stopper on the right side as well then

Wes Morgan sweeping, deary me....
 
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Sereques said:
It's like everyone forget what SAF use to say about tournaments.

You cannot judge a player based on a tourney, it comes with a natural adrenaline that makes people perform and such performance can't be replicated throughtout the season.
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Very true - this is why Toby is my first choice because he's played consistently well at a top level for the past few seasons at Spurs.
 
Sereques said:
It's like everyone forget what SAF use to say about tournaments.

You cannot judge a player based on a tourney, it comes with a natural adrenaline that makes people perform and such performance can't be replicated throughtout the season.
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Karel Poborsky.
 
ti vu said:
Said the clueless.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2016/11/11/analysis-three-at-the-back/

So if you play the sweeper as side CB, what will you do if the opposition going at the other side with 2 of the stopper being drawn into the ball carrier?
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what are you talking about. I'm not even going to read that article. You tried to pigeon hole Maguire as a stopper, I said no, he's a modern day central defender. He's too good on the ball, he comes too far up the pitch to be labelled with a term that means he wins balls in the air and marks the other teams target man. Game has moved on. Geez lad
 
poleglass red said:
what are you talking about. I'm not even going to read that article. You tried to pigeon hole Maguire as a stopper, I said no, he's a modern day central defender. He's too good on the ball, he comes too far up the pitch to be labelled with a term that means he wins balls in the air and marks the other teams target man. Game has moved on. Geez lad
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You don't even know what' you're talking about. It's clear. You don't even know what stopper, sweeper is. Modern day CB what? As if football starts today and England didn't play with stopper, which Maguire is one of the two who carries the role.

The article touched on 3 at the back tactic and the role of side CB, stopper, sweeper. Southgate didn't send player out without a tactic, roles for the players duh.

Good luck reinventing football on your opinion base on nothing.
 
In the last thirty minutes it’s all over the media that Maguire is being offered a new contract by Leicester amid interest from United.

And THAT’S how you do it! Well done Harry, lad.
 
After the season and WC he’s had we were always going to offer a new deal, as I understand it the reports came from United journos
 
The people commenting about defensive mistakes in him, did you even watch him play last season? God damn, it's as if he was just a passenger against us.
 
Wanted that breeze-block-headed-feck when he was at Hull. I'll be very happy if we sign him. Good defender. Made for the Premier League, which ironically, we're trying to win every year. So yeah. Get him!
 
Robbie Boy said:
No thanks. I can see plenty of errors in him with the way he wanks around with the ball like he’s a prime Xavi.
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Haha that made me chuckle. There is a bit of truth in that.
 
A few good games against average attacking teams at the world cup and now he's world class??
 
edgar allan said:
A few good games against average attacking teams at the world cup and now he's world class??
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Surprisingly, his matches for England in this World Cup aren't the only ones he's played at professional level.
 
Was surprised quite how good he looked at the WC. I have a Leicester supporting coworker who has raved about him, but I wasn't sure. Looks like he can play in a 3 or a 2 based on his reports, so might be an option if Mou is hell bent on signing a CB.

I think we need to sell 2 (Rojo, Jones) before we sign another and he isn't the established star that would instantly become number1, unlike Bonucci or Alderweireld.
 
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I liked him at Hull and would have liked us to get him from Hull for 20-30M. To spend 60M to get him from Leicester shows real short-sightedness and maybe a reaction to a good WC.

Is he way better than what we have? I'm not convinced.
 
Jojo <3 Mou said:
I liked him at Hull and would have liked us to get him from Hull for 20-30M. To spend 60M to get him from Leicester shows real short-sightedness and maybe a reaction to a good WC.

Is he way better than what we have? I'm not convinced.
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He's not way better. The only thing he has on Alderweireld is age at this point.

CBs we have now:

Definite 'first' squad:
  • Smalling
  • Jones
  • Rojo
  • Bailly
  • Lindelof
Additional:
  • Blind (on verge of being sold)
  • TFM (arguably, who knows his position these days)
  • Tuanzebe (possible loan, but wouldn't be surprised to see him in the squad at least for the start of the season)
So we've already five in the first group which is overkill for a 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 when each of them are 'senior' players (e.g. if Tuanzebe was the 5th pick it'd be fine).

But we are constantly linked with a new CB, which means we must be looking at replacing a senior guy. In that situation, I'd rather buy the finished product than someone close to it.

It's a fine margin call - if Maguire worked out we could be set for years, whether we play 2 OR 3 at the back. Look at how great Rio was as a signing, again after a strong international tournament and only shortly after his costly transfer to Leeds.
 
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Another thing I like about Maguire is it gives us an option to play 3 at the back.

Lindelof - Bailly - Maguire

Very strong back 3 and all comfortable with the ball.
 
Not really needed in the hierarchy of things. Smalling + the continuation of development into Lindelof and Bailly. If Jones/Rojo don't get boned out of the club then there isn't much point signing Maguire. If they do however leave, sure thing bring him in.
 
edgar allan said:
A few good games against average attacking teams at the world cup and now he's world class??
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He’s the same level as most of our current centre backs. But he can stay fit and more importantly pass the ball.
 
edgar allan said:
A few good games against average attacking teams at the world cup and now he's world class??
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Maguire should of been bought when Hull got relegated. Him and Robertson were obvious signings.
 
He has the attitude and leadership qualities we have been missing here for a long time. He’s a fighter and a top defender who is also a major threat from corners which we haven’t had since Vidic. Would be buzzing if we signed him.
 
edgar allan said:
A few good games against average attacking teams at the world cup and now he's world class??
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He’s also got a club team who he had a Surprisingly most World Cup players also play for a club and Maguire had a good season for his, including a standout performance against us.
 
Maybe Mourinho sees a John Terry type player in him?

That's who he reminds me of anyway but obviously not on that level or have his leadership qualities
 
He'd make us more of a threat in the air (over players not smalling) in both boxes but other then that I dont think there'd be any difference compared to last season tbh. The figures quoted for him are insane. Most centerbacks linked with us im not too big on getting tbh. Defensively speaking our centerbacks are decent, and most are decent all around but nothing special. Alderweireld is an upgrade on the ball but about the same fitness wise and defensively, weaker in the air, but stronger on the ball. Maguire is marginal improvement.... for 50m. feck that. Go for Bonucci or someone who would be a clear upgrade, otherwise its gonna be a pretty pointless signing (like lindelof, nothing wrong with him but hes about the same as the others).
 
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