Bailly is a brilliant player. His problem has been bad luck with injuries. Anyone who says otherwise is at it!
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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He is the same age as Varane and Umtiti. There is no guarantee that he gets much better than what he is now.
There are no guarantees in football* you just have to trust the judgement of the scouts/manager and hope for the best.
*except for Liverpool never winning the title
Who are the current elite centre backs?
Are there any outside the top clubs, ie could we get any?
Inter rejected 60m euro from us for him.
Dunno was it in Euros or Pounds…
Unfortunately, when I play this game I end up concluding that every defender in world football is utter dogshit, so I’d have to assume my calculations are off somewhere along the line.
Not only do I think he'd walk in, I believe he'd be one of our better players
I expect to see the reported fee increase to £100 million next week and £150 million the week after.
In a comparison with Maldini who is better?
Maldini is the better left back.
65+ MILLION is going to wasted on a minor upgrade and we aren't going to fix LB or RW. This is absolutely abysmal dealing by the board. They are in a transfer panic because they have been pissing around on signings since Fred. Now we are about to rush a transfer for a minor upgrade just to avoid embarrassment in the window. If this signing was going to be Toby, fair enough. Toby would be a huge upgrade to CB and he may be enough to compensate for the disaster unfolding at LB. Maguire is simply a small upgrade on Smalling and Jones and I have no doubt will have the same up's and downs as them over a season. He is NOT leaps and bounds better than smalling or jones when they are at their best.
The cringe i'm already seeing from fans trying to spin this as a great transfer is just laughable. He was never our top target, he magically gets a rush of paper coverage when the toby deal looked shaky or unachievable and people delude themselves into thinking "This is whom we've should've been targeting earlier". PFFT.
Jose thought the board would at least get him two more big upgrades. We are likely now stuck with Maguire because he's easy to buy for stupid money and we've fixed nothing else. Well done Woodward.
I see. Rather than instantly improving our defence and taking a step in the right direction, you only want one of the best 3-4 CBs in the World. It isn’t happening. Stop playing FIFA and step back into reality.
Nope he doesn't just "walk straight in" he's a minor improvement on what we have, and at their best, the players we already have will/could keep him out. Easily.
He walks straight in.
He would not improve our defense that much. CBs are not really an issue for the squad at all. If we buy a CB it should be an elite CB or at least a young CB with the potential to be one of the best of the World. Maguire would only possibly improve us slightly.
He walks straight in.
He walks straight in absolutely.
If my time watching MUFC has highlighted anything it is that if one of our CB's gets on a role, they aren't just dropped. Happened under LVG with smalling, happened under jose with jones and rojo for a while.
If Maguire has a rough patch, any combo of the talent we have will keep him out, IF..IF they play to their top abilities. Maguire is not week in week out undroppable. If he has a rough patch, injury etc, and our current crop are playing well, he will have to fight his way back in.
I see toby as someone that "walks straight in". I see Maguire as someone that has to fight for his position.
MancGuire walks straight in.
You are overrating our set of CBs.
I like the look of him from the little I've seen.
Problem is, I do think we need a left back and right winger too. Those are more important than a CB IMp.
Problem is, I do think we need a left back and right winger too. Those are more important than a CB IMp.
and i think people are overrating someone that played against very small teams in the WC and was a part of one of the worst defensive teams in the PL last season.
Maguire was highly rated before that otherwise he wouldn't have been starter with England at World Cup from the start.
He will offer everything Smalling and Bailly will and more, and will save us from seeing the likes of Jones and Rojo in United shirt.
Surey Tobby is a better and more experienced option, I don't disagree, but saying Maguire won't walk straight in here as well is serious overrating of our defenders. He's not Lindelof.
You're wrong, you'll be comfortably proved wrong if he signs for us. Just look around, if everyone disagrees with you, it's very likely you're chatting shite.
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He may be an upgrade on Smalling and Jones,but I think the supporters have every season to be a bit underwhelmed with this signing.For 65-70 million,a club like a United should be able to lure a Varane,Umtiti or even someone like Alderweireld...Maguire isn’t in that league,so I think the supporters are justifiably a bit underwhelmed...
So what exactly does Alderweireld offer that Maguire doesn't?Maguire will walk straight into the defence.Excellent in the air,good passer of the ball and does the one thing none of our cb's can do and that is bring the ball out of defence.
Terrible suggestion.
You are suggesting that everyone is an expert. If everyone is an expert, why would we need Mourinho? Anyone on here could be manager of the club.
Adding to that, a lot of managers and staff, pundits and professionals disagree with each other and the wider public. Why? Because they all have different ideas about players and tactics. And more than one way works.
I guarantee that if Mourinho or another successful manager posted on here anonymously and spoke about how they see football and tactics, the vast majority of people wouldnt agree. Not because he's wrong but because he has a deeper understanding than people who watch highlights of our matches and youtube videos of our transfer targets and then post.
You've managed to take a little point about people in this thread disagreeing with that certain post of his, and blowing it up massively. I agree with your post completely, but it wasn't really what I was getting at.
Several media sources, a quick Google search should suffice to see this.
No where reputable is quoting 80m for him.
He had a decent first season, but when he wasn't injured last season, he had numerous very poor games. He is also terrible at heading the ball, great leap but poor timing, he ends up missing the ball and heading it downwards. An essential trait for a centre back.
A lot of potential, but nowhere near brilliant yet. He's got a great deal to work on than just fitness.
https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/92th9l/duncan_castles_for_times_man_united_buy_buy_says/
NOT the first choice for the manager
World Cup inflated his reputation
The stupid board see value in more english "prospects"
Ducan Castle's highlighted the 5 signings, but jose wanted 2, jose confirmed this today and now Castles is confirming what i suspected. A big splash of money on more "prospects" because the club see "value" in his name.
He's currently our potentially best defender. But potential doesn't mean much if you never reach it. Bailly needs a hell of a lot of work.
As they should. Love seeing English prospects at England's most successful club. It's how it should be.
Value in signing an England international? At £65 million? Yeah right
Overall I'd be happy with this transfer.
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Financial Side:
- If Maguire came and Rojo left. £60m Out ----- £25m In ---- > £35 Net spend.
- Rio Ferdinand's fee adjusted for inflation is around £50m, so yeah seems like a good deal for me.
- Maguire is good at holding on to the ball and passing.
- He's a good defender with a lot of potential. Mourinho has a record of turning good defenders into world class defenders.
- To come from Wigan 3 years ago to a WC semi then transfer to United, shows that this guy has grit and determination. Something I feel we lack in certain players.
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Defensively he's a horror show - a downgrade on most of United's current options. You think United struggled defensively vs Liverpool yesterday? It would be worse with Maguire in the team. Without the ball he's a statue - slow, flat-footed, horrible turning circle, ball watcher. It was the same when he was playing for England but the opposition rarely punished him enough for it.
Just watch his "defending" in these highlights of Leicester's last match vs Liverpool (jump to 1 minute):
https://www.vidio.com/watch/1228282...ights-goals-english-premier-league-30-12-2017
He's completely out of the game for Pool's 2 goals and Mane's disallowed goal. Salah and Mane have had and would have field days vs him. Bailly and Smalling have been and would be far more solid against them.
Left back and right wing remain more pressing concerns imo.
Just watch his "defending" in these highlights of Leicester's last match vs Liverpool (jump to 1 minute):
https://www.vidio.com/watch/1228282...ights-goals-english-premier-league-30-12-2017
He's completely out of the game for Pool's 2 goals and Mane's disallowed goal. Salah and Mane have had and would have field days vs him. Bailly and Smalling have been and would be far more solid against them.
Left back and right wing remain more pressing concerns imo.
Thank you whoever you’re - I keep telling this to people like a broken phone, but it’s good you actually bothered with the video evidence.
He's at fault for Liverpool's second but I don't see how you can blame him for Liverpool's first or why Leicester catching Mane offside is such a negative.
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