Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire

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Adam-Utd said:
What other CB "generals" are there right now?

The best is probably Godin but we don't even know if he can speak English or want to leave.

There's a lack of top class defenders, Alderweireld was probably our first choice but Levy is playing hard ball as usual, so we've had to move on.

Maguire is a good defender, he's pretty much what I'd hoped Jones would turn into IMO. He's class on the ball, a great threat in either box which is important.

I think in the WC I've seen him attack more corners/free kicks than the whole of our defence last season. He and Smalling at the back would be difficult to beat in the air.
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TBH i think Maguire is marginally better than smalling and jones but i don't want to see 65 million spent on a marginal improvement. I'd be happy to see Bailly and <insert name here> and then we went out and completely fixed LB. OR we bought toby and just took a risk at LB with young/shaw. Either CB or LB had to be a MAJOR upgrade and i'm afraid we are about to buy someone that is slightly better than a "rotational player", whilst not fixing anything else.

Maguire was the easy fall back and all the dithering from our board has left them looking for the easy option.
 
WPMUFC said:
TBH i think Maguire is marginally better than smalling and jones but i don't want to see 65 million spent on a marginal improvement. I'd be happy to see Bailly and <insert name here> and then we went out and completely fixed LB. OR we bought toby and just took a risk at LB with young/shaw. Either CB or LB had to be a MAJOR upgrade and i'm afraid we are about to buy someone that is slightly better than a "rotational player", whilst not fixing anything else.

Maguire was the easy fall back and all the dithering from our board has left them looking for the easy option.
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You've got to forget about the fee really. £65m sounds a lot but then you see Everton Signing players for 50m and Danny Ings going for 20 etc, the prices are just crazy these days.

Maguire is being bought to speed our play up from defence and I massively welcome it, it's caused us big problems at home for ages when teams sit off us.
 
Toby is better of course but dealing with Levy is pain in the ass beside we should just wait & get him for 25m next season rather than now. Maguire is still quite young & can still improve.
 
If we sign him for £60+ million, we can take comfort in the fact that we can add it to the list of things to blame Moyes for. We were linked to a £4 million bid for him when he was still at Sheffield United. He must not have been Jagielka enough back then
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He won't be cheaper in real terms. This will be Toby's last big contract. He'll want at least £150k a week for 5 years which is about £40m. He's 29 so that will take him to age 34. Given he's had a serious injury recently and his historical patchy appearance record that makes the deal a lot more risky. Alderweireld has only made 41 more career appearances than Maguire despite being 4 years older.

Maguire is 25 so would still be at his peak at the end of his 5 year deal that would be considerably cheaper. His injury record has been very good.

Lets not forget that when Toby was 25 he was on loan at Southampton after not making the grade at A Madrid so why I don't see why Maguire wouldn't make a similar or better trajectory when you look at his career so far.
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I don't see Maguire being on much less than £150k either, considering Jesse's on £100k per week right now. I also doubt we'd offer Toby a five-year contract at his age. A 2/3+1 year contract with United having the choice to activate the extra year is more likely, as the club would be keeping Lindelöf and Bailly in mind as the eventual pair.

Toby's only really had one major injury in his career, hasn't he? Not sure we can classify him as injury prone, with his last injury to that same area (hamstring) being almost three years prior. There's always a risk of it popping up again, I suppose, but I'm not sure it's a major concern.

To be fair, it's harsh to judge someone for not being able to get into Atletico's defence. I agree that there's a chance of Maguire improving fairly quickly, but that in itself is still a risk and £65m seems steep if it means we'll need to shelve the LB plan.
 
SS said:
I don't see Maguire being on much less than £150k either, considering Jesse's on £100k per week right now. I also doubt we'd offer Toby a five-year contract at his age. A 2/3+1 year contract with United having the choice to activate the extra year is more likely, as the club would be keeping Lindelöf and Bailly in mind as the eventual pair.

Toby's only really had one major injury in his career, hasn't he? Not sure we can classify him as injury prone, with his last injury to that same area (hamstring) being almost three years prior. There's always a risk of it popping up again, I suppose, but I'm not sure it's a major concern.

To be fair, it's harsh to judge someone for not being able to get into Atletico's defence. I agree that there's a chance of Maguire improving fairly quickly, but that in itself is still a risk and £65m seems steep if it means we'll need to shelve the LB plan.
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He won't accept a 2/3 + deal. It's his last big contract, exactly why he wants to move. He wants to max out. Like Sanchez, he will be in the position of power in the negotiations. He will cost a bomb on the contract.

Maguire is on something like £50k at Leicester. They were hoping to resign him at £75-100k. We could get him on £100k I think.
 
Judas said:
Very happy, hope it happens. Will prove to be one of our best bits of business since Fergie left, suppose that's not saying much, but still.
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He's not half as bad as some are making him to be but he's not a shrewd piece of business either. 65m is OTT. Unfortunately we're desperate.
 
65m is obscene, but the market is broken, and he should injuries permitting serve us very well for many years.

The defensive star of the England national team after a successful world cup was always going to cost a bomb.
 
Judas said:
65m is obscene, but the market is broken, and he should injuries permitting serve us very well for many years.

The defensive star of the England national team after a successful world cup was always going to cost a bomb.
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No this type of moves are the reason why it's breaking down in the PL. And I'm even going to mention Everton dealings.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He won't accept a 2/3 + deal. It's his last big contract, exactly why he wants to move. He wants to max out. Like Sanchez, he will be in the position of power in the negotiations. He will cost a bomb on the contract.

Maguire is on something like £50k at Leicester. They were hoping to resign him at £75-100k. We could get him on £100k I think.
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If he doesn't accept it, where else could he go? PSG are the only other links I've seen. If he goes overboard with his demands, we could easily go back to Maguire.

If Leicester are considering offering £100k per week, you can bet that we'll make sure to offer at least £150k per week if we're making him a big money signing. Why would he agree to being paid the same amount as Jesse?
 
Judas said:
What are we suppose to do? Not buy anyone? It's up to FIFA to sort something out, we can't sit on our hands because everyones too expensive now.
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We can decide to not spend obscene money on "better than average" players. We don't have to buy Maguire because of transfer window embarrassment. Which is seemingly the only reason he has magically become a last minute "target".
 
Judas said:
What are we suppose to do? Not buy anyone? It's up to FIFA to sort something out, we can't sit on our hands because everyones too expensive now.
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Spend big on actual world class players with an actual track record, use contract situations to our advantage, take more risks on upcoming players that are still cheap, in the last years Maguire, Umtiti or even James Rodriguez come to mind. In the case of Maguire, I remember a fair amount of posters(I wasn't part of them) saying that we should gamble on him and without even using hindsight it made more sense than Lindelof who was a more expensive not particularly proven player.
We are a bit strange on the market, we take risks on players that aren't really cheap but refuse to purchase cheap players with better or similar track record, I don't know if it's our own decision or if we are just not that attractive, our current method leads to multiple gambles that costs a lot when you add them up while we still play the players that we initially had.
 
I've been baffled by us not buying cheaper players who look to have world class potential for many years, but it's seemingly something we don't see as good business at the moment. Which kind of shows what a bit of a mess we're in. Not sure if it's the manager or the board at this point.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Crazy how this guy will cost double Bailly but will still not be as good as him.
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Bailly spends 40% of each season injured, and of the remainder he spends 30% shaky as all hell and making mistakes all over the place. Sure, that means he's very good for 30% of the season, but up until now he's massively over-rated on this forum. The likes of Smalling and Maguire have been easily better than him so far.

WPMUFC said:
TBH i think Maguire is marginally better than smalling and jones but i don't want to see 65 million spent on a marginal improvement.
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Maguire isn't as good defensively as Smalling, but he's far better when we have the ball than any of our current options. He is also, unlike every other option we have barring Smalling, reliable. That is a key factor, as we've spent pretty much the last five or so seasons constantly changing our backline depending on who is fit and playing well at the time, with players in and out of the team and constantly changing sides depending on who they are partnering. All of our current defenders other than Rojo also prefer playing on the right side of the defence, whereas I believe Maguire prefers the left so it would allow either Smalling or Bailly (whichever of them ends up winning the battle for first choice) to play on their stronger side.

I like Maguire and I expect that if we do sign him he will end up being loved by our fans. Would he be my first choice? I don't know. I don't really have a first choice, but he would be up there. The 65m is excessive from our point of view, but Leicester won't accept anything less. Honestly, I'd be quite surprised if they would even accept that. They don't need the money, they would have to spend a significant portion of it on his replacement who probably won't be as good, he's only one year into his contract and he's still relatively young.
 
Judas said:
What the hell is "transfer window embarrassment" and why is something you've made up the reason for us apparently wanting to sign Maguire?
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It's the situation where you dither for basically a whole transfer window, find out you can't sign who the manager wants, then simply laser focus on a "home grown" player at the last minute because he got good media attention against minnow team. Then act like he's going to be some kind of "blockbuster" signing...all because you want to look like youre achieving something in the market instead of conceding defeat and moving onto fix another position like LB or RW.

Maguire magically pops up as "the main target" just as we hit the pointy end of the window. We don't have to buy him for stupid money when fixing LB or RW drastically improve us more than adding more "potential" talent at CB.
 
MadDogg said:
Bailly spends 40% of each season injured, and of the remainder he spends 30% shaky as all hell and making mistakes all over the place. Sure, that means he's very good for 30% of the season, but up until now he's massively over-rated on this forum. The likes of Smalling and Maguire have been easily better than him so far.


Maguire isn't as good defensively as Smalling, but he's far better when we have the ball than any of our current options. He is also, unlike every other option we have barring Smalling, reliable. That is a key factor, as we've spent pretty much the last five or so seasons constantly changing our backline depending on who is fit and playing well at the time, with players in and out of the team and constantly changing sides depending on who they are partnering. All of our current defenders other than Rojo also prefer playing on the right side of the defence, whereas I believe Maguire prefers the left so it would allow either Smalling or Bailly (whichever of them ends up winning the battle for first choice) to play on their stronger side.

I like Maguire and I expect that if we do sign him he will end up being loved by our fans. Would he be my first choice? I don't know. I don't really have a first choice, but he would be up there. The 65m is excessive from our point of view, but Leicester won't accept anything less. Honestly, I'd be quite surprised if they would even accept that. They don't need the money, they would have to spend a significant portion of it on his replacement who probably won't be as good, he's only one year into his contract and he's still relatively young.
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The thing that annoys me most about this is the price, yes, there isn't much value in the market now but this guy was available just 12 months ago for only 17 million and we weren't interested.
He is marginally better now than 12 months ago but paying almost 4 times the price for him now and probably twice as much in wages than if we signed him then is utter madness. Our approach to transfers is so bad and not sustainable. We need to be more shrewd and much smarter in our dealings.
Ask yourself this....how many of the top teams in Europe would want to sign him?
 
Not sure about him at all, but the £80M being quoted is a bit excessive.
 
Judas said:
I've been baffled by us not buying cheaper players who look to have world class potential for many years, but it's seemingly something we don't see as good business at the moment. Which kind of shows what a bit of a mess we're in. Not sure if it's the manager or the board at this point.
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I suspect that it doesn't come from the manager, we did the same with Moyes and LVG, I kind of spot a pattern with the purchase of players with Herrera's profile for amounts between 30m and 50m, these are the players that you want to avoid that's where the market is out of whack.
 
It seems that Woodward has told Jose only one 29/30 year old and the other player must be 24/25 thus having a resale value. So Mourinho probably wants Toby and Willian but now he's getting greedy and he trying to pick up another veteran like Cahil at 32 for probably 10M which would be a disaster.

Mourinho has been working with his agent Mendes who does not get on well with Woodward to potentially ship out players like Darmian, Rojo, Martial and possibly Hererra or Lindelof!
He probably thinks I will generate the funds myself to rebuild the squad in his own image without having any interest whatsoever in the age of incomming players!

By August the 31st we could have Sold the following;

1.Blind - 18M
2.Darmian - 17M
3.Rojo - 25M
4.S Johnstonne - 10M
5.Martial -70M
6. A Herrera -25M
Plus lucrative loan deals for J Pereira, TFM, A Gomes and A Tuanzebe
Total - £165M

And by August the 9th we could have bought the following;

1. D Dalot -19M
2. Fred - 60M
3. L Grant - 1.5M
4. Willian* - 65M
5. H Maguire * - 75M
6. A Vidal/Tiago* -30/60M (part of Martial swap deal)
Total summer Spend £250-280M or Net Spend of £85 to 115M of course all these fees are subject to add ons!
 
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Woziak said:
It seems that Woodward has told Jose only one 29/30 year old and the other player must be 24/25 thus having a resale value. So Mourinho probably wants Toby and Willian but now he's getting greedy and he trying to pick up another veteran like Cahil at 32 for probably 10M which would be a disaster.
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Love a bit of fanfic on a Saturday morning.
 
Maguire's a brilliant defender. Forget about the price. It's what you pay for a player who's shown he has both the ability and the mentality to perform at the top level.

There's no point in crying about past transfer fees. Leicester took a gamble on a talented young defender, just like hundreds of other clubs have done over the years. In the case of Maguire, he's lived up to the potential and the gamble paid off.

You can't expect United to buy every single £12m player in the hope that their value will increase. The LCFC step was a necessary one for the player to develop into a top footballer. If we got him for any fee, I'd be over the moon.

Our defence is excellent but a little lacking in the air. Maguire fixes that without compromising on the ability to pass out of the back. He'd instantly be our most rounded defender. Everyone else is either a specialist or unreliable in some way.
 
Judas said:
Love a bit of fanfic on a Saturday morning.
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Well, we all know Jose would love a team of 28 to 33 year old from 1 to 11 so is it really fan fic, maybe it's completely on the money or as I and most United Fans suspect somewhere between both hypothesise and probably the middle ground is the Truth!
 
You have to wonder why papers are peddling the narrative that we have to sell Darmian and Rojo to raise funds to buy him. Fair enough clear space in the squad which must be sitting around 27 players right now, but I f we wanted him we could pay that money regardless of space. Unless there is something bigger lurking in the darkness waiting to unite all muppetkind.
 
I don't know why people get so hung up on prices. Who gives a feck? The club has money to burn, so spend it.

My issue is I'm far from convinced by Maguire. He seems pretty slow and has the turning circle of a cruise liner.

That being said, he's excellent in the air which means we'd see less of Smalling in the side. He'd be a good partner for Bailly.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
You have to wonder why papers are peddling the narrative that we have to sell Darmian and Rojo to raise funds to buy him. Fair enough clear space in the squad which must be sitting around 27 players right now, but I f we wanted him we could pay that money regardless of space. Unless there is something bigger lurking in the darkness waiting to unite all muppetkind.
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That is a frightening analogy, worse that having to listen to one of Jose's full interviews?
We have already resigned Fellaini so it will need to be big to surpass that!
 
Carl said:
I don't know why people get so hung up on prices. Who gives a feck? The club has money to burn, so spend it.

My issue is I'm far from convinced by Maguire. He seems pretty slow and has the turning circle of a cruise liner.

That being said, he's excellent in the air which means we'd see less of Smalling in the side. He'd be a good partner for Bailly.
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The middle sentence makes the last bit hard to believe.
 
Woziak said:
Well, we all know Jose would love a team of 28 to 33 year old from 1 to 11 so is it really fan fic, maybe it's completely on the money or as I and most United Fans suspect somewhere between both hypothesise and probably the middle ground is the Truth!
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Jose wants a team of 18 to 21 year old from 1 to 11. Only Woodward wants older players.

Wow. Making up bullshit is so easy.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
According to who?
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More likely £60M plus numerous add ones clauses making the total if reached £75M-80M even after we sell Martial, probably this summer, the media will still quote that we spent £57M on him and only sold him for £65M when it will probably be more likely £48M due to the failure of add on clauses being reached and the £65M received by the club will be the base fee without add ons!
 
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