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forevrared said:
How's about you can take Rojo with some money? If it meant getting rid of him, I'd be on board with this deal.
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Doubt we'd want him … Bailley or Smalling maybe … but can't see that working as they'd regard it as a step down.
Anyway not sure what has surprised me the most … the amounts being quoted for Maguire or the fact that you were not in for Mahrez,
thought you needed him more than City.

Anyway enough of intruding on you forum.
 
sincher said:
No, it doesn't work like that. Clubs are understandably never keen to break a wage structure, especially for a player like Jones who may not even be fit.

The naivete of our fans amazes me.
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Oh dear oh dear.
You don’t pay that as a wage you melt.
Signing on fee. Christ this is tedious.
 
Fracture90 said:
That's quite a big "if"...
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Sure it’s a big if, but the if’s in transfers like this are always quite big. Then again, the manager and his scouts have looked at tons of games and footage and know much more than us what the real problems are mostly. Maybe they’re fairly certain and will lay out big, but if they are doubtful, they probably won’t.
 
Fairly convinced we're going to sign him now. Can't say it's a transfer that excites me, but it's always nice to bring in a good young English player. Just hope he's more Rio Ferdinand and less Phil Jones
 
Offside said:
People saying he’s not good enough just founded on complete rubbish. Honestly think people on here have some kind of aesthetic judgement that rules them. He’s a big lad therefore must be a useless lump. He’s an English centre-back therefore he’s another Phil Jones.
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Er, no, we just think he's not good enough. He has qualities like so many other players, but for the money quoted? No thanks.
 
buchansleftleg said:
Saw this film of him on you tube. Seems a bit laboured. Not sure if he is right for us..

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Preferred his work in later films.

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The Purley King said:
Oh dear oh dear.
You don’t pay that as a wage you melt.
Signing on fee. Christ this is tedious.
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Tedious is right. Your original post said if wages are a problem then this can just mean a lower fee. Now you are saying this is transferred onto a signing on fee to make up for lower wages. But it *doesn't work that way*, obviously, because either the buying club is still having to pay a premium for the fact the player is on high wages, or we are having to accept less than the player is worth for the same reason. Which very obviously the club will not do. The only time deals like this ever happen is when a player is at the very end of their career and have a near zero internal valuation and are no longer needed.
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but Harry Maguire seemed extremely slow for a centre back (especially at the price of £70m). I don't think we will be playing high lines soon.
 
Stephen Wood said:
As a Leicester City supporter I just can't see this happening whatever money is thrown at us.
Harry's on a four year contract and he's a level headed lad so can't see him throwing his toys out of the pram unlike a certain Mr Mahrez. The issue is that if we sell Harry now we've literally got no time to buy a replacement.
Relying on a 35 year old Wes Morgan and Johnny Evans until next January at least, is asking for trouble.
Can still seeing him going next season though unless we have another miracle season.
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You’ve got time, rumours are you’re in for Lascelles. The likes of Mawson and Ben Gibson would be straightforward too.
 
Even while at Hull I felt he was someone we should be trying to sign, shame we had to watch him in the world cup before our club noticed him
 
After spending big money on Bailly and Lindelof over the last 2 summers, I just cannot comprehend why the club would spend even bigger on another young defender this summer.

The defence has needed a leader since Vidic left, an experienced defender to organise the backline. Spending £120-130m on 3 younger defenders is madness. Come the end of the season, I can see Smalling and Jones still being first choice with Maguire, Bailly and Lindelof on the bench.
 
Stephen Wood said:
Doubt we'd want him … Bailley or Smalling maybe … but can't see that working as they'd regard it as a step down.
Anyway not sure what has surprised me the most … the amounts being quoted for Maguire or the fact that you were not in for Mahrez, thought you needed him more than City.
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We did.

Minimalist said:
Preferred his work in later films.

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That's the Leicester board shouting "Show me the MONEY!"
 
This is a bonkers transfer if it happens. We needed a "General" next to Bailly, not another "prospect". If Maguire is now a target based off a World Cup against bang-average teams, i'd rather throw all the transfer money into LB and RW.

We don't need another Smalling/Jones. We all ready have two too many.

I read some article weeks ago about Woodward/board not wanting to buy older players at huge fees. How about not spending stupid money on mediocre talent? :mad::mad::mad:
 
WPMUFC said:
This is a bonkers transfer if it happens. We needed a "General" next to Bailly, not another "prospect". If Maguire is now a target based off a World Cup against bang-average teams, i'd rather throw all the transfer money into LB and RW.

We don't need another Smalling/Jones. We all ready have two too many.

I read some article weeks ago about Woodward/board not wanting to buy older players at huge fees. How about not spending stupid money on mediocre talent? :mad::mad::mad:
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I completely agree. If the club has faith in Bailly or Lindelof as future top class centre backs, they would be better off getting someone like Godin to organise the defence and groom his successor. Even though he's older and would only play a few years, that money would have a more significant long term impact on the club than another young defender.

If they haven't got faith in Bailly and Lindelof then they shouldn't have spent that much money on them in the first place.
 
POF said:
After spending big money on Bailly and Lindelof over the last 2 summers, I just cannot comprehend why the club would spend even bigger on another young defender this summer.

The defence has needed a leader since Vidic left, an experienced defender to organise the backline. Spending £120-130m on 3 younger defenders is madness. Come the end of the season, I can see Smalling and Jones still being first choice with Maguire, Bailly and Lindelof on the bench.
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POF said:
I completely agree. If the club has faith in Bailly or Lindelof as future top class centre backs, they would be better off getting someone like Godin to organise the defence and groom his successor. Even though he's older and would only play a few years, that money would have a more significant long term impact on the club than another young defender.

If they haven't got faith in Bailly and Lindelof then they shouldn't have spent that much money on them in the first place.
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Bailly and Lindelof fee in today market is around the norm for young potential CBs. Even Arsenal & Everton paid around that much for Mustafi & Keane, and both clubs ain't big spenders not long ago.

I agree that we need a leader type of CB though. However, that doesn't mean we should just blindly go for Toby. Toby has been the best in PL for few years, but he's not generational best nor he's the leader. Leadership is a quality all by itself. Vidic was still young when it comes to peak age of CB, yet he became our vice captain and then captain, even ahead of Rio who had been in the team longer and English and all. Outside of Toby, there doesn't seem to be great experienced CBs available/ wiling to move to PL, so it's out of luck. People talk about Godin release clause, but it's not the same as he actively seeks to move. Ronaldo had crazy high release clause yet with him pushing for the move, the fee becomes affordable for Juve. Also release clause is often last resort when the selling club refused to sell against player will. Clubs want to nurture good relationship for long term benefit.

It's better to do something than staying still, gambling our season on the same cast of CBs. Little change here and there may not look much, yet it's more hopeful. Faith in players doesn't mean not looking out for unfortunate bad thing can happen. During the period where we had both Vidic & Rio, SAF got bunch of other CBs too: Evans, Brown, O'shea, Pique, Smalling, Jones, Silvestre. and there were still time we're down to barebone and have to use make shift CB like Carrick, Heinze, Gary Neville. And SAF was also actively chasing after Varane before he joined Madrid. Those turned out the best is not always necessarily unmatched in raw talent, it's also bettering the competitions and some luck to enjoy their career. You don't turn down signing great players if it's affordable.

I don't rate Maguire myself and 50+mil looks overpriced to me, but if we're able to rid Rojo, Darmian, Blind and sign him, it's for the better. Rojo after the injury doesn't look good as back up. Darmian is pointless most of the time while Blind is jack all trade not fitting our need.
 
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ti vu said:
It's better to do something than staying still, gambling our season on the same cast of CBs. Little change here and there may not look much, yet it's more hopeful.
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Then lets fix LB and forget the "little change" in CB? If we aren't going all in for a CB "general" then me might as well gamble on the CB talent we have and fix the gaping hole at LB.

Why are we wasting (potentially) 50-60 million pounds on a "little change"?
 
WPMUFC said:
Then lets fix LB and forget the "little change" in CB? If we aren't going all in for a CB "general" then me might as well gamble on the CB talent we have and fix the gaping hole at LB.

Why are we wasting (potentially) 50-60 million pounds on a "little change"?
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I don't have inside info, and I do wish for new fullbacks.

Thing is the FBs that fit our need seem not available or out of reach fee wise. We might use 3 at the back for the time being, and Maguire shows he can help with a bit of ball carry along side Young so it's not ideal but workaround. It may be little change now, but can be a huge stepping stone for the future if thing works out.
 
ti vu said:
Bailly and Lindelof fee in today market is around the norm for young potential CBs. Even Arsenal & Everton paid around that much for Mustafi & Keane, and both clubs ain't big spenders not long ago.
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You may be right. Herrera and Fellaini were also signed for close to the £30m mark and are effectively squad players too. At the time, both Bailly and Lindelof seemed expensive signings and you would hope that both would have been signed with the intention of being first choice in the near future.

WPMUFC said:
Then lets fix LB and forget the "little change" in CB? If we aren't going all in for a CB "general" then me might as well gamble on the CB talent we have and fix the gaping hole at LB.

Why are we wasting (potentially) 50-60 million pounds on a "little change"?
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I get the impression that one of the biggest issues with getting new signings approved on the wing and at left back is Martial and Shaw still being at the club. While it's easy to sell Schneiderlin, Memphis, Blind, Schweinsteiger and Rojo as crazy uncle Louis' bizarre signings, I've always got the impression that Martial and Shaw were club signings.

Both were huge investments in young players and replacing either without recouping a significant fee will require whoever authorised those signings admitting to making major expensive mistakes.
 
POF said:
You may be right. Herrera and Fellaini were also signed for close to the £30m mark and are effectively squad players too. At the time, both Bailly and Lindelof seemed expensive signings and you would hope that both would have been signed with the intention of being first choice in the near future.



I get the impression that one of the biggest issues with getting new signings approved on the wing and at left back is Martial and Shaw still being at the club. While it's easy to sell Schneiderlin, Memphis, Blind, Schweinsteiger and Rojo as crazy uncle Louis' bizarre signings, I've always got the impression that Martial and Shaw were club signings.

Both were huge investments in young players and replacing either without recouping a significant fee will require whoever authorised those signings admitting to making major expensive mistakes.
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They can still be. Thing is as long as they're yet to establish themselves as undroppable, at a club with ambition it normal for the club to keep strengthening and they are expected to fight for their place. If you look at Barcelona, Madrid, Milan back in the days when they were still a powerhouse, Juventus, Bayern... you can see even with a good pair of starters, then still add quality defenders when those were attainable in the market.
As I pointed out, SAF was similar.

Just repeat my stance. I don't rate Maguire that highly and think the rumored fee is overpriced. However since we're ridding some surplus we need to add something new to the squad lest gambling entirely on our old cast.
 
devilish said:
He's not a Vidic or a Rio but who is these days? We need to embrace the fact that there aren't many talented defenders around. A 3 men CB seems the way to go especially since our flank men are hardly talented enough to justify their place either

A 3-5-2 system with Maguire-Bailly-Lindelof at the back, Dalot and Sandro at the rear flanks, Matic, Fred and Pogba in midfield and Sanchez & Lukaku upfront is the way to go.
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The perfect 100% Jose team.
 
fellaini's barber said:
Even while at Hull I felt he was someone we should be trying to sign, shame we had to watch him in the world cup before our club noticed him
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fellaini's barber said:
Its my second post in this thread, and I'm having a pop at our shitty scouting and whoever is responsible for our recruitment. Its a shambles.
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Come now, you’re being harsh is fine but this is not the example to be using. Especially when it comes to to CBs, it’s risky business to sign from a relegated team as Hull was. Most top teams typically pick from better teams. There are exceptions of course (call Smalling one, but remember we will likely replace him as a starter )...it’s just not something I blame our scouts for.
 
TheReligion said:
Where you got 70m from?
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Ducker in the Times

United are willing to smash the record fee for an English defender by offering in excess of £60 million for Maguire as Mourinho bids to bolster his back line.

United approached Leicester this week and will not be easily dissuaded but it could take an eye-watering offer of more than £70 million to force the Midlands club to soften their stance.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ojo-manchester-united-prepare-huge-bid-harry/

If we pay 70m for nothing more than a "maybe good enough" signing. I think my head will explode. :lol:
 
I’m still not seeing a 60m pound defender here at all

If we bought him last year for 12m instead of lindelof no problem. I just am not seeing it for this type of cash.
 
POF said:
After spending big money on Bailly and Lindelof over the last 2 summers, I just cannot comprehend why the club would spend even bigger on another young defender this summer.

The defence has needed a leader since Vidic left, an experienced defender to organise the backline. Spending £120-130m on 3 younger defenders is madness. Come the end of the season, I can see Smalling and Jones still being first choice with Maguire, Bailly and Lindelof on the bench.
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Agreed. We've needed an experienced top quality centre back that will command the defence for ages. None of the current defenders fit this profile. We have 5 centre backs all around the same level. Bailly has the biggest potential but needs to play games.
 
automaticflare said:
I’m still not seeing a 60m pound defender here at all

If we bought him last year for 12m instead of lindelof no problem. I just am not seeing it for this type of cash.
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I agree, before the World Cup was there anyone saying he was an absolute must have signing? Where were all these people when he was signing for Leicester last year? There wasn't the same clamour to sign him when he was leaving Hull. Most people would have said ...meh, he 's decent but not fussed if we get him or not.
Just like the England team he is being massively over-hyped and over-rated. England played some bang average to poor teams (apart from Croatia and Belgium) in the World Cup which made many average players look like world beaters.
We are idiots if we pay 60 million + for a player we could have had for 17 million just 12 months ago. With proper management of recruitment and finances we could have picked him up last year for 17 million and then used the other 45 million or so to put towards a world class addition for LB or RW or other position where we need to strengthen. Our money isn't limitless like other clubs so we need to be much better at buying players. If we spend 60 million + on Maguire we won't have much cash to buy for other positions.
 


Manchester United are ready to sell Marcos Rojo and Matteo Darmian to help to fund their purchase of Harry Maguire. They are conscious that Maguire’s value has gone up since his excellent performances at the World Cup for England. It could end up costing the club £65 million to sign the Leicester City centre back.
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Hirst now reporting it.....65 million for smalling/jones 2.0 FFS This is such a joke.

What a tremendous waste of money on a "he might be good" signing.
 
I'd rather we just waited until next summer for Alderweireld. Better player and will be much cheaper, leaving more funds for a LB and potentially a new attacker if Martial leaves. I like Maguire, but I don't think he's good enough to warrant us sticking with Young and Shaw for another season.
 
So we aren't getting a CB "general", we are going to rely on shaw or young for LB, and RB is now basically a mystery because of injuries.......so lets blow 65 MILLION POUNDS on the equivalent of "well he seems better than smalling and jones". FFS :lol::mad:
 
I mean, the last young English defender we bought on the back on the back of an outstanding World Cup turned out to be one of the best defenders we've ever had. It's not all that bad.

I prefer Maguire to Alderweireld anyway. If we were going to raid a Spurs CB I'd rather have Vertonghen.
 
SS said:
I'd rather we just waited until next summer for Alderweireld. Better player and will be much cheaper, leaving more funds for a LB and potentially a new attacker if Martial leaves. I like Maguire, but I don't think he's good enough to warrant us sticking with Young and Shaw for another season.
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He won't be cheaper in real terms. This will be Toby's last big contract. He'll want at least £150k a week for 5 years which is about £40m. He's 29 so that will take him to age 34. Given he's had a serious injury recently and his historical patchy appearance record that makes the deal a lot more risky. Alderweireld has only made 41 more career appearances than Maguire despite being 4 years older.

Maguire is 25 so would still be at his peak at the end of his 5 year deal that would be considerably cheaper. His injury record has been very good.

Lets not forget that when Toby was 25 he was on loan at Southampton after not making the grade at A Madrid so why I don't see why Maguire wouldn't make a similar or better trajectory when you look at his career so far.
 
Grande said:
Sure it’s a big if, but the if’s in transfers like this are always quite big. Then again, the manager and his scouts have looked at tons of games and footage and know much more than us what the real problems are mostly. Maybe they’re fairly certain and will lay out big, but if they are doubtful, they probably won’t.
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Honestly everyone knew that McBaine will be a very good player back in his Hull days, and he was rather cheap then, why weren't we in for him back then instead going for Lindelof who was twice as expensive ,with handful of first team appearances in a weak league?

I mean if our manager and his scouts were any good at their jobs, we wouldn't be paying 75 million for this lad now.

Big money hit and miss strategy isn't sustainable at all.
 
WPMUFC said:
So we aren't getting a CB "general", we are going to rely on shaw or young for LB, and RB is now basically a mystery because of injuries.......so lets blow 65 MILLION POUNDS on the equivalent of "well he seems better than smalling and jones". FFS :lol::mad:
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What other CB "generals" are there right now?

The best is probably Godin but we don't even know if he can speak English or want to leave.

There's a lack of top class defenders, Alderweireld was probably our first choice but Levy is playing hard ball as usual, so we've had to move on.

Maguire is a good defender, he's pretty much what I'd hoped Jones would turn into IMO. He's class on the ball, a great threat in either box which is important.

I think in the WC I've seen him attack more corners/free kicks than the whole of our defence last season. He and Smalling at the back would be difficult to beat in the air.
 
Stephen Wood said:
As a Leicester City supporter I just can't see this happening whatever money is thrown at us.
Harry's on a four year contract and he's a level headed lad so can't see him throwing his toys out of the pram unlike a certain Mr Mahrez. The issue is that if we sell Harry now we've literally got no time to buy a replacement.
Relying on a 35 year old Wes Morgan and Johnny Evans until next January at least, is asking for trouble.
Can still seeing him going next season though unless we have another miracle season.
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You may need the £££££

QPR have just been fined £40m for breaking FFP and the next 2 clubs that are like to follow suit are Leicester and Bournemouth as both broke the rules in their promotion seasons.

You need to cheat better like City/Chelsea/PSG/Barca/Real Madrid
 
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