Think we're gonna get shafted for Micky G. He's gonna have to throw in a transfer request.
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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He has been at the world cup and is now on holiday, how could we have signed him any quicker ?
Yes we could of signed him before the world cup but i imagine his peformances there triggered our interest.
If Jose is being asked to offload some CBs then the decision to extend Rojo was very unwise. The excuses about wanting to recoup a fee don't work as first of all we'd have to subsidise his wages and secondly there's no guarantee anyone would even want the player on the kind of fee that will make us anything resembling a profit. Our transfer strategy really is the definition of reactive
I'm guessing our 'scouts' or Jose didn't know about this guy before the world cup?
Think "your own two eyes" need glasses mate.
Give me your monocle Spanner
Before the World Cup we probably still thought we were in with a chance of signing Koulibaly, Varane, Skriniar etc.
I can only agree with you and I am hopefully things happen the way you just described them however skeptical I am.
If we're willing to pay £60m for Maguire, we should consider throwing the same money at Inter for Skriniar. I think he's little younger and higher potential.
We should consider selling one or two CBs first. We're way, way overloaded to just sign another one on top. It would also drive the price for our CBs down when we try to sell them out of need or lack of playing time. I don't envisage high demand to manifest for Rojo or Jones to keep their prices.
We are overloaded with CB's who can't string 10 games together without being injured.
While i agree that we must get as much as possible for our existing defenders before buying new one, this is going to delay our signings and if there's a chance to bring in players before pre-season ,we should be looking to doing so. We don't need to sell for buying and players going out for cut price is quite common for rich clubs like us. If we could get the targets in, that would help them bond with the team before season starts.
Even more reason to offload then.
One of the things that frustrate me about our squad management is that we seem to linger on our mistakes. City buy will identify players that are not good enough and bin them (via loan or sale) within a year or two. Like Nolito, Unal, Jovetic, Bony, Mangala, Hart etc. etc.
Meanwhile we just stack more and more players on top of them ending up with a large squad of little quantity. Rojo, Darmian, Jones, Shaw etc. have been here a very long time without justifying their inclusion in the squad. They're not even reliable squad options most of them. They're taking up space and salaries that are quite frankly wasted. Time to cut the cord.
Why would we subsidise wages?
No, that's a ridiculous explanation. Which of them have you heard the slightest rumour of us going for before, during or after the World Cup? And what deluded muppet would think we could sign Varane in the first place?
Not really. As I pointed above other clubs ship out the players that have been deemed failures quite quickly. If they can't sell them, they loan them out. We don't. We just hoard them in the squad.
The problem is not with the squad size, but the lack of quality depth relative to the size. The "rich clubs like us", which is only a handful of clubs really, have second strings that are as strong as the first string. We don't.
Skanky little no tag.
Blame the likes of Liverpool and City for the mentioned fee. They have inflated the market for defenders so you're living in a dream land if you think we could reasonably get HM for less than £50m.
He improves the first XI and potentially gives us 10 years of service which works out as 6-7m per season.
Use your brains.
He improves the first XI and potentially gives us 10 years of service which works out as 6-7m per season.
Use your brains.
Bloated salaries the buying team won't match. Players don't just give up lucrative contracts. We pay the difference if we really want to get rid of the player. For example some reported we payed Blind a severance but that's subject to confirmation
All 3 were on the long list of CB targets going around earlier this summer, which I believe was first published by the MEN.
eh, we could have got him for way less than £50m a year ago.
Sadly we don't have a time machine
it does beg the question as to what the actual feck our scouts are at though.
Other clubs are not comparable to us as we offer insane wages(needs to be resolved) hence moving player out is always going to be a problem. I do agree that we need to loan out players more. This is the additional burden we have to bare due to being the richest club in the world. Everyone knows we have the money and will haggle to death to have a cut price.
Yes our depth is quite poor due to the quality of signing we make that needs to be improved. It's due to the amount of dross that's being accumulated for the past 5 years. We have done decently past couple of years moving on deadwood like Rooney, Schneiderlin, Bastian, Depay and also getting decent fee for them. Blind was also sold for a decent sum. Rojo was given new deal to recoup some money for him and i think would be moved out along with Jones.
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Leicester linked with Djene and Ben Gibson as possible replacements.
Some on here try to make it look like Maguire became one of the better defenders in the PL overnight. Leicester scouts and recruitment guys did their homework ours chose Lindelöf for twice as much.
Exactly. I remember plenty of people on here being quite baffled that one of the top six clubs (us included) wasn't willing to spend £17m on him last summer. Fecking crazy how this club seem to do everything now.
I get what you’re saying and I think our scouts are pure shite in general, but I do think Lindelöf will become a good defender. Maybe not the level we should be aiming for, but a good ball playing centre back. He’s only just turned 24 and seems highly motivated.
It all depends on this season for him. If he improves his worst attributes, bulks up a bit and stops making mistakes then I think he’ll be a good option. However if we get another season identical to the last it could all look very different for him in the short term.
It’s ok, you are right and I won’t write off Lindelöf. But that’s not the whole point.
Third summer in a row we are after a CB instead of trying to strengthen other positions. And the most painful things is, none out of Bailly and Lindelöf is established in the starting 11. We laughed at City about spending on CBs and we are even worse.
I never like to rate defenders based on how they play in 3 man systems when they have to move to a two man system team. There is a very large difference between how they work and because Maguire played well in Englands 3 man central defense does not mean he will be able to replicate that in Uniteds 2 man central defense.
David Luiz looked fantastic in Chelsea's 3 man set up, Bonucci struggled moving from Juve's system to AC Milan's two main system. Surely there are better prospects available in the market for 60 MP.
David Luiz looked fantastic in Chelsea's 3 man set up, Bonucci struggled moving from Juve's system to AC Milan's two main system. Surely there are better prospects available in the market for 60 MP.
His lack of pace should be a serious concern for the money quoted, just because we sit deep under Mourinho doesn't mean it's going to remain the same. What if we ditch Mourinho this season and the next manager wants to play with a high line defence?
Lots of pessimism, but I have a feeling this guy could turn out to be decent for us if we sign him. Alderweireld is injury prone and likely to demand higher wages, while Maguire could have an impact for us like Van Dijk for Liverpool. Doesn't have to be peak Bonucci to do the basics - defend stably, pass forwards, organize the backline and stay fit.
No problem spending 50 million on a real top class defender, but not on someone marginally better than we have already.
With Jones for example, we could sell now and get £20m or maybe even £25m with the way things have gone in the market. If we loan, then granted we won't pay his wages, well not all of them anyway and then he has one less year on his contract and we don't get as big a fee when we do sell. Seems like kicking the can down the road to me if we loan out.
We need to be far more ruthless with the underperformers and just get rid by selling them. I don't understand the benefits of stockpiling players who will only play in an absolute emergency. If that happens just get a youth teamer in.
EDIT - I'm not advocating an LVG style situation which was too extreme, but there is a balance and we are a long way away from it atm.
Nobody wants the players that we are looking out. They are either too old, overrated or overpaid, or all three.
People saying he’s not good enough just founded on complete rubbish. Honestly think people on here have some kind of aesthetic judgement that rules them. He’s a big lad therefore must be a useless lump. He’s an English centre-back therefore he’s another Phil Jones.
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