Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire

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If we're not careful, we're going to Sleepwalk into a situation where our Quiet Men at the back All Fall Down - just The Same Old Story, season after season. This Young Savage has been a Vision in Blue, and while we might be Passing Strangers as it stands, during the transfer window things can change All in One Day.

So yeah, I think we should sign Midge Ure.
 
Emmet said:
Wouldn't call it mindless if he instantly walks into the starting line up though, but yeah we should be selling Rojo and one of Jones/Smalling possibly
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I would seriously prefer Mourinho giving a chance to Tuanzebe and actually using the CB's he spent big money to get (Lindelof and Bailly) than setting a precedent by paying another world record to sign a CB when it's not even our most in need position to strengthen.

Also MacGruber signing doesn't really make sense considering we've been after Bonucci and Alderwield, both in their 30 with ton of experience.
 
Fracture90 said:
I would seriously prefer Mourinho giving a chance to Tuanzebe and actually using the CB's he spent big money to get (Lindelof and Bailly) than setting a precedent by paying another world record to sign a CB when it's not even our most in need position to strengthen.

Also MacGruber signing doesn't really make sense considering we've been after Bonucci and Alderwield, both in their 30 with ton of experience.
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Well it certainly wouldn't be a world record considering what has been paid for Van Dijk and Laporte etc. Lindelof will never be good enough for United, that's my opinion. Bailly doesn't convince me either. Would be nice to have someone you know can defend and stick their head on anything so I'm all for it.
 
Really, really don't want this to happen. He's a decent defender but we have way too many decent defenders. What we need is a great one. And that Maguire isn't.
 
Emmet said:
Well it certainly wouldn't be a world record considering what has been paid for Van Dijk and Laporte etc. Lindelof will never be good enough for United, that's my opinion. Bailly doesn't convince me either. Would be nice to have someone you know can defend and stick their head on anything so I'm all for it.
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According to rumours, LCFC will ask for world record broken by Liverpool to be broken by us in order to get McGuiness.

Also if Mourinho has spent over 70 million on 2 CB's that you believe don't have what's needed to be successful here, how can you trust him with another big money CB signing ?
 
Emmet said:
Well it certainly wouldn't be a world record considering what has been paid for Van Dijk and Laporte etc. Lindelof will never be good enough for United, that's my opinion. Bailly doesn't convince me either. Would be nice to have someone you know can defend and stick their head on anything so I'm all for it.
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Laporte could end up being cheaper, but that's not the issue. Jose already spending big amounts of money on 2 CB's which might be on the bench next season isn't very convincing either.
 
Jev said:
Really, really don't want this to happen. He's a decent defender but we have way too many decent defenders. What we need is a great one. And that Maguire isn't.
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Pretty much my feelings on it. He's no better than the 5 we already have.
 
kouroux said:
Because England has a pretty average backline and Leicester are very average. You would make a better case if you had only used Leicester as they had good/great players but England :lol: ?.
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You say Leicester are average, but then say they had great players. Do you think Mahrez, Vardy and Schmeichel are all average players? Or are they good? He out performed all of them and was consistently better.

With regards to England, he was is the squad ahead of Smalling, and the team ahead of Jones, two of our current options.

He also outperformed most other players in that squad, many of whom you probably regard as being better quality. Definitely top 3 or 4 England players in the summer, and one of the best English centre backs in the league. He’ll only improve too.

I think most people see that he’s obviously an upgrade and would enhance our squad. Not sure why you can’t see it to be honest.
 
Yes, let's go and spend >60m on a player who only lives from height and physical presence - will be the needed experienced leader of the back-line too, oh wait..
 
Fracture90 said:
According to rumours, LCFC will ask for world record broken by Liverpool to be broken by us in order to get McGuiness.

Also if Mourinho has spent over 70 million on 2 CB's that you believe don't have what's needed to be successful here, how can you trust him with another big money CB signing ?
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I have seen Maguire at Hull and Leicester and know what we would be getting. I would be happy with Maguire and think he would instantly be our best CB. I think Bailly could be a very good CB, hes just a bit nuts at the minute. Maybe being too harsh on Lindelof, reckon hes a confidence player and had very little with us last year. That being said, revert back to the fact I reckon Maguire would be instantly our best CB makes it easy for me to say get him in for £65 mil or whatever.

Jim Beam said:
Laporte could end up being cheaper, but that's not the issue. Jose already spending big amounts of money on 2 CB's which might be on the bench next season isn't very convincing either.
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See above. I would say most agree he would stroll into our first 11 and improve us
 
We are probably trying to get Tottenham to lower their price for Alderweireld. 50m this season or 25m next.
 
99withaflake said:
You say Leicester are average, but then say they had great players. Do you think Mahrez, Vardy and Schmeichel are all average players? Or are they good? He out performed all of them and was consistently better.

With regards to England, he was is the squad ahead of Smalling, and the team ahead of Jones, two of our current options.

He also outperformed most other players in that squad, many of whom you probably regard as being better quality. Definitely top 3 or 4 England players in the summer, and one of the best English centre backs in the league. He’ll only improve too.

I think most people see that he’s obviously an upgrade and would enhance our squad. Not sure why you can’t see it to be honest.
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An average team can have some decent players, yeah. What's surprising about this statement ?
I'm sorry but the England team means feck all to me, international football has no bearing on what a player could or would do for a club team.
 
kouroux said:
An average team can have some decent players, yeah. What's surprising about this statement ?
I'm sorry but the England team means feck all to me, international football has no bearing on what a player could or would for a club team.
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Sakho for example has never had a bad game for France, they range from good to very good.
 
Emmet said:
I have seen Maguire at Hull and Leicester and know what we would be getting. I would be happy with Maguire and think he would instantly be our best CB. I think Bailly could be a very good CB, hes just a bit nuts at the minute. Maybe being too harsh on Lindelof, reckon hes a confidence player and had very little with us last year. That being said, revert back to the fact I reckon Maguire would be instantly our best CB makes it easy for me to say get him in for £65 mil or whatever.
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I know he's good and I was hoping we'd sign him when he was in Hull and on a cheap. I get your point, just thinking that Mourinho hasn't been able to get the best out of the CB's he's bought and as good Mackintosh is, it would be too much to pay that much money for him imo.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Leicester are in such a strong position here that they'd probably only let him go for more than VVD did. I think it would be madness, really.

Lindelof and Bailly need to be given a proper chance by Jose. He spent £70m on them and he needs to at least give it a go. Him still prioritizing a CB over a RW or FB is pure madness.
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Did he say he was , perhaps its all just media spin . The reality is UTD are shopping in the bargain basement and their is not much attractive down there . We will be shopping there as long as the Glazier vulture fund remains in control.
 
devilish said:
Rojo and possibly Jones will be on the way out. Smalling would join them if next season we go for Toby
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On current status I think Lindelof would be far more likely to follow Rojo and Jones out the door, unless he shows marked improvement this season. He's younger, got a longer contract and he would have no problem moving to clubs abroad (which I doubt Smalling would entertain) increasing the chances of getting a good offer. He'd fetch more money and we'd also be dispatching the inferior defender while keeping a PL proven one with homegrown status to boot.
 
jymufc20 said:
I'm surprised it's not more than that to be honest.
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Yeah, in this current market. That is cheap for a first team player with 4 years contract left. I'd rather we sign another English CB than signing another foreigner.

Remember Cahill? Yes he is shite and all but still won a couple of titles and play at the top level comfortably. Obviously some brain farts here and there but if Maguire can achieve half what Cahill did with Chesea, I'm all in for this transfer.
 
Judas said:
I think he is. The fact that everyone has a different preference on who should be shipped out from our defence just tells you how shockingly average they are.
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It mainly tells you that not only we are muppets but half of us probably watch United with our eyes shut.
 
Fracture90 said:
I know he's good and I was hoping we'd sign him when he was in Hull and on a cheap. I get your point, just thinking that Mourinho hasn't been able to get the best out of the CB's he's bought and as good Mackintosh is, it would be too much to pay that much money for him imo.
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It could be too much on yet another fairly good CB, and it could be the missing piece of the jigsaw.

Bailly has shown enormous quality with his feet, but is weaker with his head and unpredictable inside it. He needs a srable guy with the head of a header and a leader beside him.

Lindelöf has shown at Benfica that he has the confidence to play and the brain to play well, but not the confidence yet to lead. He played better with a Granquist beside him who is inferior in every aspect but in the ability to lead.

Apart from Rojo who is a stop gap wild card, I think Mourinho hoped both Smalling and Jones would be that leader character that Bruce, Carvalho, Ferdinand, Terry was, as they both have some of the traits, but I guess he’s been disappointed, as none have the awareness of their surroundings needed for that role.

If Maguire can be a 8/10 leader beside a 8/10 Bailly (with security) or a 8/10 Lindelöf (with confidence), it could suddenly mean a 9/10 partnership for years, which would easily be worth the splash.

Could.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
We are probably trying to get Tottenham to lower their price for Alderweireld. 50m this season or 25m next.
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Toby would cost you more than £50m and there is no way Levy will let him run down his contract to the £25m claus. He will either sign a new one and stay or be offloaded overseas where there are suitors and their windows close after ours so Levy will not be pushed into a corner. Many have tried and all have failed.
 
Yidarmy said:
Toby would cost you more than £50m and there is no way Levy will let him run down his contract to the £25m claus. He will either sign a new one and stay or be offloaded overseas where there are suitors and their windows close after ours so Levy will not be pushed into a corner. Many have tried and all have failed.
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It's all up to the player.
 
MadMike said:
On current status I think Lindelof would be far more likely to follow Rojo and Jones out the door, unless he shows marked improvement this season. He's younger, got a longer contract and he would have no problem moving to clubs abroad (which I doubt Smalling would entertain) increasing the chances of getting a good offer. He'd fetch more money and we'd also be dispatching the inferior defender while keeping a PL proven one with homegrown status to boot.
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Lindelof is young. He took his time to settle down but I don't think its wise to lose faith in him just yet. Rojo on the other hand has gave us 4 months of decent football in 4 years. Jones fared better but he's hit and miss and injury prone.
 
Honestly don't get the hate towards Maguire. He'd improve our back 4 and has longevity for the price. It's not just the WC performances people are on about, he's looked a prospect since at Hull and has been steadily improving since.
 
Judas said:
I think he is. The fact that everyone has a different preference on who should be shipped out from our defence just tells you how shockingly average they are.
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When we bought Rio there was no doubt we were buying the future best CB in England. He was nailed on. That's the sort of signing we need. Maguire is nowhere near that, he's just going to be another player we will need to upgrade in a few years.
 
kouroux said:
Honestly our deficiencies at the back are a bit overrated. Defending wasn't a major issue IMHO.
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I beg to differ. DDG has been one of the most active goalkeeper in the EPL despite we play very defensive football. If defence becomes more efficient in what it does then our attacking minded players can focus more on their job and less in tracking back. We've got some decent talent upfront in Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Martial and....that's basically it isn't it?
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
We are probably trying to get Tottenham to lower their price for Alderweireld. 50m this season or 25m next.
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Well we picked the wrong player/club for our bluff then...Levy won't lower the price after seeing Leicester are willing to take us to the cleaners with Maguire.
 
devilish said:
I beg to differ. DDG has been one of the most active goalkeeper in the EPL despite we play very defensive football. If defence becomes more efficient in what it does then our attacking minded players can focus more on their job and less in tracking back. We've got some decent talent upfront in Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Martial and....that's basically it isn't it?
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Attackers will alway track with Mourinho. No matter how much better individually the backline could be. This isn't changing unless we ditch Jose
 
TheReligion said:
Honestly don't get the hate towards Maguire. He'd improve our back 4 and has longevity for the price. It's not just the WC performances people are on about, he's looked a prospect since at Hull and has been steadily improving since.
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There is no hate towards Maguire. This hate thing is getting silly.
 
Apparently the goalkeeper doing his job is now a detriment to the defence???

Surely we should leverage De Gea in our tactics and be more aggressive with our defenders because De Gea eats up 1v1s for breakfast. I would be extremely surprised if we aren't allowing more shots on goal because we know De Gea will save it, which allows us to take more risks going forward.

I would say that a large part of Mourinho throwing the kitchen sink quite often when losing the game has to do with his confidence in De Gea being a one man army in defense.
 
devilish said:
I beg to differ. DDG has been one of the most active goalkeeper in the EPL despite we play very defensive football. If defence becomes more efficient in what it does then our attacking minded players can focus more on their job and less in tracking back. We've got some decent talent upfront in Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Martial and....that's basically it isn't it?
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Agree. DDG brilliance has hidden major problems at the back. Maguire will improve us significantly. He impressed me every time I watched Leicester last season. He is miles better than Jones, Smalling and Rojo. Anything above 30m is a joke but once city paid 50 for Stones the whole thing became a joke and we have no choice but to pay up. Maguire is a much better defender than Stones (who cost England a World Cup final spot).
 
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