Eriksen?
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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Eriksen?
This is just the signing we need for the backline. I see Vidic-like potential in him.
Not to sure about his football abilities but his attitude during the WC really seemed great on and off the pitch. Still the transfer prices these days are absolute madness.
Than why do we go for him just after 12 months for 3 times more money?
Did he magically got his qualities in 12 months? What are they thinking now? The manager, Woodward, the board?
Do they think, wow what a smart decision did we make one year ago, because the guy was playing for Hull? And now he plays for Leicester and they are the best defense in the league, we can spend 3 times what he might have cost just last year? I bet they think like that.
There’s a reason why Liverpool got their LB for peanuts and we will pay 65m for a guy that went for 15-20m last summer.
Great logic that mate. We signed Roy Keane from a relagated Nottingham Forest. What a disaster that turned out to be.
luckily I left myself that out, Eriksen and Suarez in what 10 years? not a great record
Not this rubbish about buying players from relegated teams again. That’s already been debunked
@Kostur
@Kostur
I still remember the claims: "United and England will be stocked at CB for at least 10 years" (Smalling + Jones pairing). It's written all over it! Hope I'm wrong though. I like the lad but we don't really need him if we don't play a back 3. He's a young and good player bur overhyped and the english tax is madness. I think with a proper preseason we have to give Bailly, Lindelof, Smalling and Jones more credit and pray for an injury free season then they can build some confidence. Only Jose knows. Koulibaly is maybe the only "available" CB who could really improve the team but the price is just ridiculous.
Lindelof deserves a chance like Vidic and Evra years ago.
Lindelof deserves a chance like Vidic and Evra years ago.
This post is pure buffoonery. Especially when Liverpool themselves spent 75m for a centre back!
I think Keano debunked it. Debunked it good.
Its been debunked with recent defensive examples earlier in the thread
Perhaps we are actually not going and it's all contract ruse started by, e.g., his camp that I've predicted to be some days ago? Is it beyond realms of possibility? Especially that we're simultaneously linked to three other central defenders, all three better than Maguire? Boateng and Alderweireld were linked to us prior to the WC, something that cannot be said about Maguire, which could explain Ladyman and Odgen's snarky remarks.
But let's for a second take it for granted that we are actually desperate to get him, just for the sake of this discussion. When he was relegated with Hull the board could have deemed his qualities not good enough for us due to how his and Hull's season have gone, people can try to gloss all over it now but the facts are brutal, you cannot be a world class or at least a very good defender if your team concedes 80 goals in this league, especially if it wasn't at the expense of some expansive, full-force attacking potential (teams from places 17, 16 and upwards have all scored more than Hull that season). So it's not like they've gone for the 'score much, concede much' tactics, they were just shit.
So Maguire went to a mid-table club, for some reason no other club from a higher position, your Klopps, your Pochettinos, your Peps, nobody really wanted the unearthed solid defender, a pure gem waiting to get played at the highest level. Well obviously nobody at the top 6 or hell top 8 have decent scouting teams because nobody picked him up, not even the teen choice favourites mentioned above. At Leceister he was picked player of the season so obviously fair fecks to him but still weirdly enough Leicester this season have conceded 60 goals, only Bournemouth, relegated Stoke, WHU and Watford have conceded more, while both relegated Swans and WBA have conceded less. I'm not deluded to blame it all on Maguire obviously but it's hard from some wank-worthy feat of theirs to have such a shitty against record that is not really explained, as in the case of Hull, of their expansive and adventurous attacking football.
So in the end, who knows, perhaps he wasn't good enough back then (which is pretty much the case?) and perhaps, as I believe right now, he's not good enough now either. It could be so that his level is indeed mid-table at best.
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Debunked by throwing in Varane who was signed from a relegated team and then three more names mentioned that were in a heavily-conceding teams? Yeah with all due to respect to @roonster09 it seems more like an exception to the rule given how many clubs/players have been relegated rather than some kind of debunking.
actually @Kostur its fair well known he turned down Spurs last summer and came to us because of playing time
Rate VVD above him and i think he himself is a level below the elites.
Hope we go for alternate options.
Hope we go for alternate options.
I'm obviously going to take your word for it here given I don't follow your team's transfer speculations but still, if he was good enough back then he'd have gone to Spurs and fought his place. He wouldn't have if you asked me, perhaps ahead of Sanchez, but he's made the logical decision not to jump too high, which is again fair fecks.
So what you’re saying is we have a good chance of getting slabhead?
Not that I particularly want him to be honest.
do we have a better left back than van Aanholt?
What does it have to do with Liverpool spending 75m? They spent what they had to do to have the player they wanted. We are into our third summer buying a CB again. And someone needs to answer that baffling planning.
or he thought to himself "they have Alderweiald and Vertongen and they won't be getting dropped, its world cup year and England don't have loads of CB's I need to be playing and maybe I can get in the squad!"
maybe if you take a second mortgage out on Old Trafford and CarringtonSo what you’re saying is we have a good chance of getting slabhead?
Not that I particularly want him to be honest.
He reminds me of pally so for that reason I'm all for it!! But I don't think it will happen, will be very very hard to pry him away from Leicester. We will need him to submit a transfer request.
Yeah perhaps, I'm not sure we're going to figure it out but if he was asked to join Poch, it was probably before to Sanchez's transfer, and they play 3 at the back, so I think his biggest opponent for a starting place would've been Dier, who's also playing a CDM for them I believe?
Can we not just sign Alderweireld? Maguire will also have the young English player +25% transfer fee and, more importantly, isn't as good
'debunked' is a great word. We need to use it more.
Looking forward to seeing a duo of Jones with his gurning face and Maguire's brick shaped head next season.
All jokes aside, I am ok with buying Maguire. Not as bad as some make him out to be, and he actually has some passing ability which all of our CBs bar Lindelof (who's got other weaknesses) lack.
All jokes aside, I am ok with buying Maguire. Not as bad as some make him out to be, and he actually has some passing ability which all of our CBs bar Lindelof (who's got other weaknesses) lack.
Yes? Don't think anyone on this forum (the majority of which want rid of Young) would swap him for Van Aanholt. They probably wouldn't even swap him for Shaw.
Seem to recall he and that unknown kid at RB absolutely destroying us all game when we played Crystal Palace once this season. Pretty sure I actually asked who would swap are current fullback options for those 2.
But as a signing suggestion nah, just think he was having a good game that day.
I'd be more than happy with him. Much better than what we have and certainly doesn't shit himself on the ball like most of our current 1st choice CBs.......
I hope you're right if we do end up buying Maguire. In my opinion he's on par with our current lot of CBs.
Wan-Bissika was the unknown kid, the lad who took TFM's place in the Palace squad. He look awesome in his half dozen games at the end of last season but the question is if he keeps it up.
lets close this discussion. lets agree to disagree. Young isn't even left footed and Shaw needs some BBQ sauce on him
Van Aanholt isn't rated in the PL. He's a guy making up the numbers in the lower reaches of the division.
Yeah I only saw that one game against us and was super impressed by him, you’re right tho plus hopefully Dalot will get his chances and take them this season and fix that issue. I really really hope he does because I don’t think I can handle another full season of Valencia.
LB tho is like an Abyss. Shaw has all the tools to make it his own he just doesn’t seem to, be it Jose or himself, something ain’t right.
I'm not sure what basis people think he's a £65m defender. He's not a better pure defender than Smalling. Seems a bit slow and completely unproven in Europe. Comfortable on the ball but didn't we just buy Lindelof to do the same? Is he any better on the ball than Bailly?
No point in buying a CB unless it's a clear upgrade on who we have.
No point in buying a CB unless it's a clear upgrade on who we have.
Maguire is a massive threat in the air at set pieces, something Jose likes. He's also a pretty vocal player.
In terms of playing style, he's not a million miles from John Terry and you must understand why Jose would want someone like that.
You're criticising us for now doing exactly what Liverpool did for a centre back. Not buying the player when they were way cheaper.
What does Liverpool buying a left back have to do with us buying a centre back?
Imagine if we'd tried to buy a player who was part of a super sh!t relegated team.
It happens all the time. A player makes a progression, and then develops and emerges as a better player. Maguire has obviously done so, as he's gone from Hull to not just getting in the England squad, but being a key name on the sheet.
Leicester would be stark raving mad to turn our bid down. He'll never be worth as much as he is now.
Would we be after this cnut if he hadn't just had a good world cup? Why not last summer?
Given the way prices inflate year on year, I'm not even sure how good a 65m defender should be any more.
I think it's fecking ludicrous to go spending 60 mil on Maguire when the two centrebacks Mourinho has already signed for 30 mil a piece only played twice together in the league last season.
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