Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire

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Infestissumam said:
you don't think Jones could do a job for you? For some reason, I think Evans-Jones could be a really good pairing. Just have to stay fit, but for some reason they all seem to do after they leave United lol
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If Phil Jones could stay fit you probably wouldn't be after Maguire in the first place
 
Kostov said:
The question need answering here is, who chose Lindelöf instead of Maguire for double the money just twelve months ago? Fecking pathetic decision, in most other working environments your employer will want your resignation for a decision like that.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
Kostur said:
Yeah good luck with this bullshit, if we signed a defender from a relegated Hull who conceded 80 goals people would call us unambitious shambles and the call would've been questionable to say the least at that time.
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Bullshit? Because we would have signed a player from a relegated team? That’s one of the weakest arguments thrown around. There are lots of examples of very good transfers from relegated teams, Robertson to Pool maybe? Mourinho apologists will use such childish arguments to distance him from the blame, but that is the truth. Smart transfers and stuff, something we don’t do very often.
 
Ekeke said:
Leicester wouldnt want an experienced england international?

you have 34 year old morgan and maguire making mistakes at the back
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he's not experienced he's spent most of his career with you injured, experience comes from playing, we've filled our quota of former United players that are sick notes in Matty James
 
sincher said:
Yes I am fine with it too. Still, clearly makes 35m totally unrealistic doesn't it?
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Does it? If City bid 200 million for Pogba and we say no thanks, does that make 200 million unrealistic for Pogba? Or does it mean that we'd rather keep a player than have money?
 
Ekeke said:
Does it? If City bid 200 million for Pogba and we say no thanks, does that make 200 million unrealistic for Pogba? Or does it mean that we'd rather keep a player than have money?
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You are not very good at this. If City bid 200m for Pogba and we say no, it makes 120m (or other similar figure just over half of the rejected bid) totally unrealistic... and in any case 35m for Maguire right now simply is unrealistic and if you don't agree then you don't understand how the market works.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
he's not experience he's spent most of his career with you injured, experience comes from playing, we've filled our quota of former United players that are sick notes in Matty James
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He's played over twice as many games for England than Maguire. And not that many less matches for his club sides, considering his club career has been at a much more competitive club than any of Maguire's. If he had been at United 5 years he wouldnt have played as many games as he has now either
 
Kostov said:
Bullshit? Because we would have signed a player from a relegated team? That’s one of the weakest arguments thrown around. There are lots of examples of very good transfers from relegated teams, Robertson to Pool maybe? Mourinho apologists will use such childish arguments to distance him from the blame, but that is the truth. Smart transfers and stuff, something we don’t do very often.
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I didn't even bring Mourinho into the discussion so not sure why you would, it could've been Mourinho, Woodward, the board or Fred the Red for my liking, if we transferred a defender, God forbid a central defender, from a relegated Hull who conceded 80 goals I'd be the first one to question it and by the looks of it I'm one of rather lenient guys around here.

I'm pretty sure you, alongside all those harping about why we didn't bring him in that season, were a huge admirer of Maguire back then though.
 
Laughed at Liverpool when they spent 75 mil on VVD and now United are going to spend a similar amount on Maguire, you can't make this stuff up!
 
sincher said:
You are not very good at this. If City bid 200m for Pogba and we say no, it makes 120m (or other similar figure just over half of the rejected bid) totally unrealistic... and in any case 35m for Maguire right now simply is unrealistic and if you don't agree then you don't understand how the market works.
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How does it make it unrealistic? If we were willing to sell we might take the 120 million. But if we've decided we want to keep the player at all costs and reject 200 million its because we want the player and not money.
 
Totally unrealistic, meaning extremely unlikely to be accepted. Not very difficult.
 
sincher said:
Totally unrealistic, meaning extremely unlikely to be accepted. Not very difficult.
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Who says only a realistic offer will be accepted?

If they've made a decision to keep him for next season, then why would a realistic offer cause them to change their minds? A realistic offer is something they'd accept if they wanted to sell him.

Its an unrealistic amount thats way over the odds that will make them rethink things.
 
sincher said:
You are not very good at this. If City bid 200m for Pogba and we say no, it makes 120m (or other similar figure just over half of the rejected bid) totally unrealistic... and in any case 35m for Maguire right now simply is unrealistic and if you don't agree then you don't understand how the market works.
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yeah in one season Maguire has nearly halved the cap gap and Jones is one year older and played nearly 80 games less, Maguire is the more experienced and better player, more to the point he can actually manage to play a full season without breaking down, if Jones is such a great player why are you all suggesting you should send him to us in the deal?
 
Cliche Guevara said:
I’m not sure, I was sort of thinking the opposite and we’ve probably agreed a fee with Leicester.

We’re presumably not responsible for the fee being quoted. If we have to go back to Levy after our public interest in Maguire, however, he’s possibly going to laugh and ask for £80m rather than crumble and sell Toby on the cheap.
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He is a git of a negotiator but it'd be a huge gamble to do and potentially lose that fee next year. As much as it'd pain him, £40m would probably do it (still a big profit).

Or £39m and Martial.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
yeah in one season Maguire has nearly halved the cap gap and Jones is one year older and played nearly 80 games less, Maguire is the more experienced and better player, more to the point he can actually manage to play a full season without breaking down, if Jones is such a great player why are you all suggesting you should send him to us in the deal?
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He's not. But you guys are midtable not trying for the title.

A player that multiple managers who have won trophies have selected as first choice for us is probably good enough for you. Sorry to break it to you if its hard to hear.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
yeah in one season Maguire has nearly halved the cap gap and Jones is one year older and played nearly 80 games less, Maguire is the more experienced and better player, more to the point he can actually manage to play a full season without breaking down, if Jones is such a great player why are you all suggesting you should send him to us in the deal?
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We're lying. He's crap, we want rid.
 
Kostur said:
I didn't even bring Mourinho into the discussion so not sure why you would, it could've been Mourinho, Woodward, the board or Fred the Red for my liking, if we transferred a defender, God forbid a central defender, from a relegated Hull who conceded 80 goals I'd be the first one to question it and by the looks of it I'm one of rather lenient guys around here.

I'm pretty sure you, alongside all those harping about why we didn't bring him in that season, were a huge admirer of Maguire back then though.
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Not too sure on this.

IF we believe he is worth 75mil now, then, someone needs to say to the scouting team wtf happened.

I don't care who is making our transfer decisions, but, we are beginning to look pretty stupid. We need to be much smarter.
 
reddevil702 said:
Laughed at Liverpool when they spent 75 mil on VVD and now United are going to spend a similar amount on Maguire, you can't make this stuff up!
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I'd have took VVD for that and am hoping we take Maguire for this! The types of CBs we need.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Not too sure on this.

IF we believe he is worth 75mil now, then, someone needs to say to the scouting team wtf happened.

I don't care who is making our transfer decisions, but, we are beginning to look pretty stupid. We need to be much smarter.
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Agree with this. We keep buying players one or two transfers down the line and paying through the nose.

I'm not saying buy loads of 19 year olds but there's a balance surely? Dalot may be the start of a change.
 
Ekeke said:
He's not. But you guys are midtable not trying for the title.

A player that multiple managers who have won trophies have selected as first choice for us is probably good enough for you. Sorry to break it to you if its hard to hear.
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that's bollocks and you know it Jones is an injury crock, that's why you want rid, why the hell would we lose one of our best players and take on someone who will miss most of our games through injury? Typical arrogance
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
We're lying. He's crap, we want rid.
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yes I know, its the people thinking we'd want Phil Jones I'm mystified at
 
Kostur said:
I didn't even bring Mourinho into the discussion so not sure why you would, it could've been Mourinho, Woodward, the board or Fred the Red for my liking, if we transferred a defender, God forbid a central defender, from a relegated Hull who conceded 80 goals I'd be the first one to question it and by the looks of it I'm one of rather lenient guys around here.

I'm pretty sure you, alongside all those harping about why we didn't bring him in that season, were a huge admirer of Maguire back then though.
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I said the one who made the decision, by all accounts it’s Mourinho. That why I brought him in the discussion, since you are so lenient you might let me through this time.

And getting a player from some team whether it’s relegated or conceded 80 goals shouldn’t be the deciding factor if a player has the potential to make the leap. Payed professionals who’s job is to evaluate that i’m sure don’t think like you.

I wasn’t a big admirer, but it was obvious the guy was very solid. That’s why i’m a regular fan, they earn their living by those decisions.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
that's bollocks and you know it Jones is an injury crock, that's why you want rid, why the hell would we lose one of our best players and take on someone who will miss most of our games through injury? Typical arrogance

yes I know, its the people thinking we'd want Phil Jones I'm mystified at
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Yip. Especially as you've won the league more recently than us, don't think we're (yet) in a place to start making demands.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
that's bollocks and you know it Jones is an injury crock, that's why you want rid, why the hell would we lose one of our best players and take on someone who will miss most of our games through injury? Typical arrogance

yes I know, its the people thinking we'd want Phil Jones I'm mystified at
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Its not his injuries that people here dont rate Jones for. It was his mistake at the end of the season.

Personally I'd be fine with him playing most of our matches but wouldnt be very confident in the matches against the big teams domestically and in europe. I'd prefer going into those games with a better CB else I'm not sure we'll mount much of a title challenge.

Thats not a concern for Leicester. Arrogance would be thinking a midtable team wouldnt be interested in a starting CB from the 2nd placed team in the league, who played 23 times in the league for us.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Yip. Especially as you've won the league more recently than us, don't think we're (yet) in a place to start making demands.
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its nothing to do with that its that some United fans haven't yet woken up to the fact that United are not now the big bully boys transfer wise you used to be, because of the TV money transfers are not so vital, time was you could offer a large fee but lower than the value and the club would almost be fores to accept, that isn't the case now, we don't want to sell and have no financial pressure to do so in order to convince us it would have to be a head turning offer
 
Kostov said:
I said the one who made the decision, by all accounts it’s Mourinho. That why I brought him in the discussion, since you are so lenient you might let me through this time.

And getting a player from some team whether it’s relegated or conceded 80 goals shouldn’t be the deciding factor if a player has the potential to make the leap. Payed professionals who’s job is to evaluate that i’m sure don’t think like you.

I wasn’t a big admirer, but it was obvious the guy was very solid. That’s why i’m a regular fan, they earn their living by those decisions.
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Yeah since we've gotten Maguire in the season Hull got relegated I'm sure they indeed don't think like me.

Guy was very solid. 80 goals conceded solid. For Hull. Christ almighty. On second thought, I'd love to see the reactions if we actually brought him in here after the said season. Shit would've been hilarious around here given the current state of affairs.
 
It's funny seeing some of you would rather we lose out on a Mourinho's target (assuming his interest in Maguire is genuine) as if your knowledge is far better than Jose and professional scouts. After what happened last year when we lost out on Perisic, I'm very surprised to see many of you still question his judgement of players.

And of course not all of his signings have been a huge success but most of his purchases have been great so far
 
Ekeke said:
Its not his injuries that people here dont rate Jones for. It was his mistake at the end of the season.

Personally I'd be fine with him playing most of our matches but wouldnt be very confident in the matches against the big teams domestically and in europe. I'd prefer going into those games with a better CB else I'm not sure we'll mount much of a title challenge.

Thats not a concern for Leicester. Arrogance would be thinking a midtable team wouldnt be interested in a starting CB from the 2nd placed team in the league, who played 23 times in the league for us.
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Jones isn't a starting CB for you that would be Bailey and Smalling when all are fit, Jones is an injury prone squad player nothing more
 
I'd rather we went for de Ligt. He just oozes class. watched the Ajax game last night. He is so good. Age is not relevant here
 
dutchred said:
I'd rather we went for de Ligt. He just oozes class. watched the Ajax game last night. He is so good. Age is not relevant here
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the last big signing from the Dutch league to England that worked was Suarez, pretty much everyone since has flopped big time
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
the last big signing from the Dutch league to England that worked was Suarez, pretty much everyone since has flopped big time
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I think you are talking forwards.
Nearly all the defenders coming to the PKL have done well
Jaap
Virgil
van Aanholt
TFM
to name a few
 
give them Jones and Smalling in a swap deal, then buy them both back next season for £80m each
 
Jaap was 20 years ago and VVD went to Scotland first, the rest came over as kids hardly the same
 
dutchred said:
I think you are talking forwards.
Nearly all the defenders coming to the PKL have done well
Jaap
Virgil
van Aanholt
TFM
to name a few
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Van Aanholt is relegation fooder usually. TFM ended up as third choice right back at Palace in his only PL season.

That said. I like De Ligt but I would rather sign Maguire. The fee doesn't interest me.
 
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