You’d think we’d do our due diligence to see if Leicester would sell and whether Maguire would be willing to push for a move. Something isn’t right here.
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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Defence surely isn't a priority for us, it's not like we were leaking goals last season. We don't need to concede less, we need to score more.
Maguire has had a decent season and a decent WC, that's it. Lindelof had as decent a WC in regards to performance.
Maguire has had a decent season and a decent WC, that's it. Lindelof had as decent a WC in regards to performance.
According to the Jose lover's on here signing a ball playing CB will free us up to play glorious attacking football like he's (never) done in the past, or something. It was hard to hear them with their mouth's shoved up his arse.
I think it should be a priority, as well as the attack.
Bailly is our best CB and he seems to always be injured and none of our CB's seem to be capable to passing or carrying the ball up the middle, which causes Pobga to have to drop deeper.
If we want to see the best out of Pogba and the team, a decent ball playing CB is required.
I wonder how much Ajax are wanting for de Ligt. If the main requirement is just to get someone who is a better ball playing centre back than what we already have. 65m for Maguire is mental.
We were conceding at every set-piece in the second half of the season. Looked like Liverpool's defence pre-VvD.
You have to say that De Gea was a key part in us not leaking goals last season, rather than us actually being defensively solid overall.
The amount of chances the opposition have against us is unnerving.
I'm not sure I rate our defenders that much in general to be honest.
No? I've just proved my point. We've been watching him since 2013 and haven't signed him when he's been going for dirt cheap. We've waited until every man and his dog can see he's a decent player by watching the World Cup to make our move, and now his price is 60m+. So what is the actual point of scouts?
I'd say we could get De Ligt for cheaper, but Jose is clearly after someone with more experience.
Also, De Ligt strikes me as Spurs signing (unfortunately!).
The sheer fact that we're going into the season, 5 years after Fergie retired, with 4 players from his team as potentially the first choice back four speaks volumes...
Errr who do you think was watching him since 2013? We’re not buying him on the back of the WC alone. Sure it may have cemented thoughts about him but he was on the hit list of 8 cbs prior to the WC
Yep, our scouts have just been working on Maguire and have done feck all for 3 years except wait and wait for him to be a good player. It's not like we just signed one of the most promising young full backs in the world, or an up and coming brazilian midfielder from a small league.
Just because we don't fill our teams with prospects from the dutch and turkish league doesn't mean our scouts are not doing anything. Not to mention our scouts have done a huge amount of work for the youth setup and are still getting some top players at that level (ie Chong)
We should buy him for the sheer number of songs you can sing about him...
"There is De Ligt that never goes out" - The Smiths
"Darling leave De Ligt on for me" - Belinda Carlisle
"Afternoon De Ligt" - Starland Vocal Band
Ridiculous price I know but I am all for this signing. He is 25 years old, so still yet to hit his prime and will be coming to us with plenty of experience behind him, including playing in a successful World Cup campaign in which he was arguable in the top 3 stand-out England players. We can easily get 6-8 good years from him where he will hopefully be playing at a good level.
Very good on the ball but because he is big he may not appear to be a ball-playing CB! He will probably be our best passing CB at the club and it will most likely be his duty to bring the ball out from defence and break the lines. A beast in the air, so will be deadly for us at both defending and attacking set-pieces. He seems to be fairly vocal too and if he signs for us, who is to say he cannot be a future United captain? We have lacked a vocal CB to organise the defence since Rio left us. I always think it’s a big positive to sign some of the best British players about as we have always seemed to have a few in the squad when Fergie was around. We have a few still but a lot of them are fringe players or players who should be sold. There will be no language barrier or a period for him to settle into a new country, plus knows some of the England players having spent around 6 weeks with them at the World Cup, so they would help him settle in quicker.
Very good on the ball but because he is big he may not appear to be a ball-playing CB! He will probably be our best passing CB at the club and it will most likely be his duty to bring the ball out from defence and break the lines. A beast in the air, so will be deadly for us at both defending and attacking set-pieces. He seems to be fairly vocal too and if he signs for us, who is to say he cannot be a future United captain? We have lacked a vocal CB to organise the defence since Rio left us. I always think it’s a big positive to sign some of the best British players about as we have always seemed to have a few in the squad when Fergie was around. We have a few still but a lot of them are fringe players or players who should be sold. There will be no language barrier or a period for him to settle into a new country, plus knows some of the England players having spent around 6 weeks with them at the World Cup, so they would help him settle in quicker.
Haha sounds great, but I think you pronounce his name like 'ligcht' rather than 'light'.
Sorry!
Ajax have made both De Ligt and Frenkie De Jong unsellable for any amount this season. If not, Barca would have already signed both as they had heavy interest in them when the transfer window started.
I would love for both of them to be here. Especially Frenkie
Like that has ever stopped anyone before...
Ajax have made both De Ligt and Frenkie De Jong unsellable for any amount this season. If not, Barca would have already signed both as they had heavy interest in them when the transfer window started.
I would love for both of them to be here. Especially Frenkie
There was never a bid made for either of them. They have yet to make a big sale this summer and still need to strengthen the rest of the squad. They would definitely accept a 50m for him given he's got 2-3 years left on his deal.
Frenkie De Jong is a DM being made to play at CB. That's where Barca wanted him. Don't think he would work out here.
Might be a better point to make once they've actually played.
The fact is we've been watching a player for 5 years and are only now trying to sign him when his prace-tag is up £50m from the previous Summer and the club he's at don't want to sell him so we may even have missed out. It's completely valid to criticize that.
Oh dear. Obviously Leicester are not going to consider selling for less than 50m and there are other deals they can point to for good reasoning behind that. Maguire's standing is about the same as VVD's before his move, regardless of your personal rating of the two players. 40m is not 'about right' because the market, any market, does not work according to your logic.
Also you made a weird comment about paying in blow jobs so I assumed you meant the post for noodlehair.
Just because De Ligt is young doesn't mean he's inexperienced. He's a better player than Stones was at Everton and Mourinho wanted that for 50m. I hope United turn to him if Leicester turn them away for Maguire.
Good player, will look even better in your setup. 65m is a hell of a lot but that's with English tax and United tax added.
I'd thought you guys would prioritise a RW, as defensively you were really good last season. 65m would buy you a top top RW, i'd personally get Douglas Costa!
I'd thought you guys would prioritise a RW, as defensively you were really good last season. 65m would buy you a top top RW, i'd personally get Douglas Costa!
Ah yes, I forgot Maguire has played for us
We are only now trying to sign him because we don't go after young prospects in every position. Sometimes you go for the finished product so you know what you are getting. We have seen that Bailly and Lindeloff are still a bit immature so going after a more mature player in that position makes sense.
Anyone thinks that Jose's tactics are because he doesn't fully trust the defenders we have yet ?
There were sometimes when he opened the play namely the spurs away game and with the abscence of Bailly, we saw how Smalling and Jones were inept to get the ball out.
Maybe this is him trying to correct that, Bailly and Maguire would be way confortable with the ball than Smalling and Jones.
And the CB he bought points towards that, Bailly, Lindelof and now Maguire, all ball playing CBs.
There were sometimes when he opened the play namely the spurs away game and with the abscence of Bailly, we saw how Smalling and Jones were inept to get the ball out.
Maybe this is him trying to correct that, Bailly and Maguire would be way confortable with the ball than Smalling and Jones.
And the CB he bought points towards that, Bailly, Lindelof and now Maguire, all ball playing CBs.
I fully agree, looks like he'll be an exceptional defender in a few years. But right now Jose is wanting a solid leader, that's a big ask for a teenager at a club like United. Would love for United to sign him, but in all honest just don't see it happening this summer. He'll very likely be exactly what United need right now in a few years.
40 some games in the Dutch league, that's not experienced... He's a big talent, but he should take a small step in his career, a good German team for instance.
Eh? That’s exactly my point. I’m not the one saying the scouts have unearthed gems that haven’t played for us. I’m saying the exact opposite. That we are only buying players once their price is sky high. I agree with your latter points.Ah yes, I forgot Maguire has played for us
We are only now trying to sign him because we don't go after young prospects in every position. Sometimes you go for the finished product so you know what you are getting. We have seen that Bailly and Lindeloff are still a bit immature so going after a more mature player in that position makes sense.
This just doesn't add up, why go so public, why try to sign such a difficult target so late on, and why suddenly is he such a strong candidate for us, just odd, so we're surely just trying to smoke out Toby with all this.
That would be the dream. Don't expect us to be so forward thinking in our transfer strategy.
Honest question lads, i know money isn't a big deal to us fans, but what do you genuinely think Maguire is worth?
Even at 100mill ( not saying thats how much or whatever) i do believe if you get 8yrs out of a player these days, he's worth it.
But what sort of level are we talking with Maguire? The WC seems to have clouded some judgement on him, how good was he in the PL last year?
Even at 100mill ( not saying thats how much or whatever) i do believe if you get 8yrs out of a player these days, he's worth it.
But what sort of level are we talking with Maguire? The WC seems to have clouded some judgement on him, how good was he in the PL last year?
The whole point of the Dalot example was that we are not only buying players once their price is sky high.
We are clearly doing a mixture of known quantities for big money and unknown quantities for the future for less money.
Crazy, isn’t it?
I'll say it again, Maguire is overrated as they come. People blowing smoke up is arse because he's English and did well against a few average teams in the world cup.
Get bonucci or Godin for a couple of seasons or de ligt for long term instead!
Get bonucci or Godin for a couple of seasons or de ligt for long term instead!
All good defences are built on a settled back four and we just haven't had that for years. If we then manage to ship out Jones or Rojo for decent money then the deal starts to look ok in my opinion.
About £45m taking into account his age, nationality, world cup performance and contract. But this is a market where Richarlison and Sigurdsson are going for £50m so who knows.
I'm sure they're all falling over each other desperate to sign a contract with us.
Spot on
I’m all for this.
Great in the World Cup and player of the season for Leicester. Brings the ball out of defence with confidence and fantastic with his head.
I don’t think it was THAT easy to see how good he could be, when he played in a very poor Hull side.
If anything, we are paying a premium to Leicester for testing him at a higher level, having a good World Cup and them having to replace him.
We need a consistent starting two in the centre, we had all sorts of combinations for one game here and one game there last season. That lack of continuity at the back unsettles teams and doesn’t build understanding.
Great in the World Cup and player of the season for Leicester. Brings the ball out of defence with confidence and fantastic with his head.
I don’t think it was THAT easy to see how good he could be, when he played in a very poor Hull side.
If anything, we are paying a premium to Leicester for testing him at a higher level, having a good World Cup and them having to replace him.
We need a consistent starting two in the centre, we had all sorts of combinations for one game here and one game there last season. That lack of continuity at the back unsettles teams and doesn’t build understanding.
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Hope he signs.
Would love it.
Would love it.
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