Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire

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breakout67 said:
Hate to break it to you, but Smalling will play most games he is available for. If we get another CB in, then theyll partner him.
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As long as Jones and Rojo stay away from the team I'm fine.

Bailly, Smalling and Maguire are all reliable for me, with Lindelof as the unknown potential. These 4 are good set of CBs to have. Jon's and Rojo should only play cups games or so.
 
Big Maguire fan, have watched him live 20+ times and I honestly think he'll go on to be a massive hit here if he comes. The money is enormous BUT Liverpool with VVD and city with Laporte have set the bar I'm afraid.....as much as we might not like it when our club does it you can't get away from that.
 
I'm not sure if he's an upgrade on our present defenders when defending. One thing he definitely will improve us on when the opposition defends deep he will become an extra midfielder. He seems very composed on the ball. If he signs, hopefully, that continues with extra pressures at United.

The market is insane.
 
el3mel said:
As long as Jones and Rojo stay away from the team I'm fine.

Bailly, Smalling and Maguire are all reliable for me, with Lindelof as the unknown potential. These 4 are good set of CBs to have. Jon's and Rojo should only play cups games or so.
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Agreed. I've had enough of Jones' brainfarts, he not only cost us in the league and killed our momentum (ie Spurs and Newcastle) but also cost us in the FA cup final. Smalling makes mistakes but generally makes up for them with defensive actions or goals.
 
I'd be very happy to have him.

But has Jose given up on Bailly or Lindelof? He signed both so recently! I don't actually know who our first choice CB pairing is and I don't think Jose does either.

I'd sell Jones and Rojo. That would leave Maguire, Bailly, Lindelof and Smalling. I'd say that's the best 4. But which 2 would be the starters?

Maguire and Bailly looks the best option to me.
 
sincher said:
I think you might be going after the wrong poster. I was just saying why 35m was totally unrealistic.
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Well, I'm not really going after anyone just don't agree with what you are saying.

I dont think its far off being realistic. £40 million is about right making him the joint 4th most expensive CB in history

He's not one of the best CBs in the league. Comparing him with probably the best one in the league doesn't make a lot of sense.

Its like saying we should ask for Hazard's going rate to Real Madrid when we sell Martial.
 
He would be a great signing for UTD in that he's English and a good player.

Issues being, hes had a good WC, probably hyped at an all time high now, and will cost a bomb.

Better CBs about cheaper.

Saying that, i would love him at LFC beside VVD, but that would be about 150m worth of CBs!
 
I'd definitely like Maguire. I think those saying they don't want him will regret saying that in a years time

That said, it does feel like a smokescreen
 
Spunking £65m on a centre-back. That'll solve our attacking problems.
 
65mill. Worlds gone mad. Leicester paid 12 for him 12 months ago.

But it is what it is.
 
Good god no! Another average centre back to add to the collection. Is anybody really telling me there's a considerable difference between him and Jones, Smalling, Bailly and Lindelof? If we're gonna buy a defender, he has to be world class.

World class players in Bonucci and Alderweireld are available. If we've got £65m to spend on Maguire, we've got money for these two. We don't always have to buy potential especially when there's a dearth of quality in the position worldwide currently.
 
el3mel said:
Paying 65m for him will prove that the board has no problem spending. It's where we're spending this money is the problem.

Anyway, Maguire will be a big upgrade over Smalling as he can do everything the latter can do, and will hopefully save us from watching Jones and Rojo again for most time.

However, spending all this money on him will mean we will probably end up not signing another big player. I have a strong feeling that's the last of our summer business so we're raising the offer to something like this.

Hopefully I'm just pessimistic.
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We don't need 'big' players in name per se, we need 'big' players in personality to step up to playing for Utd.
 
PoTMS said:
Good god no! Another average centre back to add to the collection. Is anybody really telling me there's a considerable difference between him and Jones, Smalling, Bailly and Lindelof? If we're gonna buy a defender, he has to be world class.
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Hardly average if Europe's coaches were rating him during the WC.
 
CM10 said:
Spunking £65m on a centre-back. That'll solve our attacking problems.
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If we got a settled backline it certainly would solve our attacking problems. We’d be able to set our attackers free. Last season our defensive overperformed and our attack underperformed massively. We need some quality at the back who can actually play football.
 
feck it, give them 100 million. Get him whatever it takes...he's clearly better than all of our defenders.
 
I’m trying to remain optimistic but I have a feeling this transfer will backfire. I can see him getting exposed. I think a few people will be eating their words regarding Smalling not being close or better than Maguire as the season goes on.

Surely Jones or Rojo need to go? We have so many CB’s. I think Jones try his luck at a loan. See if his injury luck will change in a different environment. Unlikely,I know. One can wish though.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Hardly average if Europe's coaches were rating him during the WC.
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They also thought Kleberson was great after South Korea/Japan and look at how they turned out. There's a long history of players who had a great World Cup only to fall back down to reality the following season.

Maguire is a good player but he's not and never will be world class. He's not a step up from anything we've currently got imo. We need someone with genuine world class talent to come in.
 
in a perfect world we could add one of our CB’s in a player plus (less) cash deal. Assuming our astronomical wages ruin that though.
 
James Peril said:
Maguire is a good stopper, but he has a playing style that suits a packed relegation team more than a supposed top team. Sure he has some patience on the ball and can actually pass it to a team-mate, but he is first and foremost and good warrior and header of the ball. Fearless when the ball is in the ball, wins lots of headers every game, great asset for a bottom team being bombarded for 90 minutes.

Top teams need smart defenders, like Rio who knows where the ball is going to go before the pass is made. Calm, in control, great tackling when needed. Maguire is slow and reactionary, has never played for a top backline and will struggle at United in my opinion. In the WC he looked like any other player when facing a top team and England let in goals.

I like him, he is a tough bastard, but he will not make us particularly better and be the kind of player that charges us towards the gold. Not even close, and feck that figure quoted for him.
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You don’t think that ‘top’ teams need warriors too? We conceded so many silly goals last season from set peices that could have had us closer to City. That Kompany header sticks in my craw
 
JJ12 said:
in a perfect world we could add one of our CB’s in a player plus (less) cash deal. Assuming our astronomical wages ruin that though.
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Jones plus 40. Even that is too much in my opinion
 
His ability on the ball is way better than anyone we have currently.
We regularly play against packed defences and we never commit a centreback up into midfield, largely because they shit themselves when they are on the ball. People are massively underestimating the advantage that having someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out will be as teams will have to commit a midfielder to deal with it, freeing up space elsewhere.
Other plusses are that he will be the best header of the ball in our defence, both in our box and the oppositions and he seems to have a bit of grit and leadership about him. Yes he's a bit slow to turn, but partner him with Bailly or Smalling and we'll be fine.
Sell Jones and Rojo to finance this (£40m in total) and then it doesn't look so bad financially.

I really hope we make this happen.
 
I've not seen much of Mcguire but he looks impressive from the little I've seen. Good in the ball and physically dominant. Beyond that I don't know how great his defensive qualities are.
 
Offside said:
If we got a settled backline it certainly would solve our attacking problems. We’d be able to set our attackers free. Last season our defensive overperformed and our attack underperformed massively. We need some quality at the back who can actually play football.
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I don't buy into the whole 'set the attack free' idea. The fact remains that Jose Mourinho is still the manager of this football club.

Our defensive record has been impressive for 3-4 seasons and it isn't all that difficult to organise one, but even if that were the case, I don't think the answer is throwing money at a pretty ordinary Premier League defender.
 
Rooney24 said:
65mill. Worlds gone mad. Leicester paid 12 for him 12 months ago.

But it is what it is.
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It's crazy. The thing about last year too also highlights how poor the planning at this club is. We opted for Lindelof last season when both were on the market only to spend £65m for Maguire a year later. May as well go for Mina at half that price.
 
Baxter said:
Not normally arsed about transfer fees, but signing him on the back of a season at Leicester and an okay World Cup for £65m would sum us up at the moment.

What’s the point in a scouting team if you wait a year and sign them for 4/5 times the price? Hope we are looking elsewhere and this is perhaps putting some pressure on another deal that might’ve stalled.
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Exactly, we have 30+ scouts at the club apparently. Shambolic stuff.
 
£10m more and we should've been in for VVD. If we'd have approached Southampton with some integrity, unlike Klopp and Liverpool, maybe the difference wouldn't even be £10m.

Bad transfer planning, as per the course now.
 
Id be ok with this , we all were laughing at Livers when they paid 70m for Van Dijk and he has improved their defense massively.
Besides, anything that keeps Jones out of the starting 11 greatly improves our chances of winning.
 
I liked what I saw in the world cup. There's no doubt in my mind he's an upgrade over Jones, Rojo and even Smalling. Sure the price is high but it's the standard for centre backs now. If VVD was 75 mill then Maguire at 65 is fair considering the fact he's English too. But still it just indicates poor planning from the club. What was the point of Lindelof last season? Why have we payed 30 million for him and Bailly in the last two seasons and still prepared to pay 65 million for another CB? It's just ridiculous you know. We could've got Maguire for nothing when he was at Hull City.
 
Bubz27 said:
£10m more and we should've been in for VVD. If we'd have approached Southampton with some integrity, unlike Klopp and Liverpool, maybe the difference wouldn't even be £10m.

Bad transfer planning, as per the course now.
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It does make me wonder, if we are willing to pay 60 for Maguire, then why not 70 for Van Dijk who is the more seasoned defender?
It doesnt quite add up to me
 
el3mel said:
As long as Jones and Rojo stay away from the team I'm fine.

Bailly, Smalling and Maguire are all reliable for me, with Lindelof as the unknown potential. These 4 are good set of CBs to have. Jon's and Rojo should only play cups games or so.
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Lost me at Smalliing is reliable .
 
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