Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Ah my bad. Sarcasm is very hard to detect on the net. Something usenet users were warning against back in 1983.This post was completely sarcastic mate , I was making a joke about how people come out the woodwork saying “always rated him at x” when players start improving on the world/ premier league stage, I’m aware that premier league scouts actually do this and don’t bullshit like cafe postersSorry if I caused confusion, I’m sarky c*nt
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If he wasn't good enough to sign after 38 games why is he good enough after 6?
I do not understand why people assume we did not have interest before world cup due to lack of rumours.
Supposedly Pep was interested in the winter window but went for the Bilbao lad instead. Maguire put in a fantastic performance against City in the League Cup semi final.
I think Maguire is the one we should go for. Levy ain't gonna give in with the Price he wants, knowing we are involved for Alderweireld. I think Maguire is a leader with future captain material.
Because he moved to Leicester 12 months ago and we didn't make a move.
Who even says we're interested now! I think its a safe presumption to make.
I like Maguire... just the thought of United having a centre back who can pass the ball accurately to an attacking player in the opposition half appeals enough to me.
For how long we’ve had centre backs who can either play the 5 yard pass to whichever centre midfielder has dropped deep to get the ball... or a short pass to their nearest fullback.
For how long we’ve had centre backs who can either play the 5 yard pass to whichever centre midfielder has dropped deep to get the ball... or a short pass to their nearest fullback.
We bought Rio 18 months after his move to Leeds, did we not? 12 months is quite a lot in football, and the past 12 months has certainly made quite a few aware of Maguire.
We have very little information about our clubs interest in players, and for all we know we could have an interest at the time but decided we had too little information and wanted to see more from him. Might be an expensive choice, but one can not buy all the players that is starting to look promising.
Rio is a reasonable comparison - when he was at West Ham, he clearly has talent but needed time in a better team (Leeds were in the CL at the time), and he case on leaps and bounds. Maguire, wouldn’t be the player he is today if he went to Utd a year ago as he wouldn’t have got the playing time, and he wouldn’t be at the World Cup. But he’s now developed into a player who would be a clear first team player if he moved now.
Things don't work like that. Sometimes our first options aren't available or the prices asked do not represent value. Clubs might be forced to change their allocated budget for a certain position which means certain players might suddenly become a target.
Not to forget that we don't have a monopoly on transfers. Maybe we wanted maguire to stay at leicester for another year but some other club came in and forced our hand
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He's better than most we've got but can't bring players in without shifting some too. Also need to think about our younger players development. We still have a lot of first team CB's at the club especially when you think we only play 2 CB in our system.....
I don't think any one center back would stall out a younger player at this point. Our only constant is Smalling, who is consisitently available for selection. Lindelof's settling issues may or may not ever resolve themselves. Bailly, Jones, and Rojo can all be quality at times but have struggled with injury and consistency.
If our young center backs go out on loan and start realizing their potential, there is opportunity in the long term.
I can't get my head around anyone thinking Jones is on the same level as Snalling at this point but there you go.
I don't think he's a better defender than Smalling. I'd say they're pretty equal and I appreciate that Smalling has a lot more senior experience in big games. Although I will agree Maguire is better at bringing the ball from the back if we're judging them both on technical ability.
Jones is a tricky customer. I think people forget how well he can play but it's fair point to say we'd be better off with Maguie. His fitness issues are constant and annoying as feck. He's also only 26 (Maguire is 25) so I'm not sure why you brought his age up.
Bailly, again, it's a fitness thing. We're sort of lumped with two good defenders of which neither can stay fit for long enough to form a constant partnership. He's kind of raw I agree. Prone to some errors really but I don't remember any major ones.
Overall, despite all that I'd be okay with him coming here. I'd rather we spent the dosh at least one established attacking fullback or an actual factual right winger but hey-ho it's not my money.
Edit: Oh and I live in Leicester so I've been to a few games this season. He's definitely their best player now that Mahrez has left.
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For Liverpool, Liverpool, Liverpool.
Maguire, Bailly, Smalling, Rojo should be enough.
Sell Jones, loan Lindelöf to Wolves for a year and Tuanzebe somewhere in PL until Christmas at least.
Sell Jones, loan Lindelöf to Wolves for a year and Tuanzebe somewhere in PL until Christmas at least.
Smalling, forgetting the lack of ability technically to bring the ball out, just doesnt have intelligence football wise, same for Jones to a lesser degree. They are decent not great defenders that both have injury issues and are also both error prone. They have both been like that there whole time here, never been ironed out, Smalling looked like he may have under Van Gaal but it hasnt happened. Bailly is full blooded and can be rash, when it goes wrong it really goes wrong, but I like him. I would happily sell half our centre backs to buy a real quality one, which Im still not sure MaGuire is real top draw.
In an ideal world I would either sell one of Smalling/JOnes, along with Rojo and Lindelof and spend a really big fee on a Khoubilay/Varane type if at all possible.....or sell both and buy a couple of defenders such as a Maguire along with a Bonucci/Romagnoli. Think Mensah is a decent back up option as he is far better in the middle than at right back, so we should be culling the number of centre backs.
As for the full backs, personally think the current ones been overly criticised, Young had a decent season and has another year in him, Shaw didnt really get opportunities. Valencia is definately on the wane but does a decent job and who knows how well Dalot may do. I think we have another season out of Young/Valencia, possibly there last. Monitoring whether Dalot can break through and whether Shaw, with opportunities can get back to the form before his injury, it is something that will happen next season transfer wise, I genuinely think our centre back quality is actually far worse at the moment.
He has become very overrated.
All round Maguire is probably just a bit better than any of the CBs we have, but not enough so that we need to spurt on him when the right wing is cleary a gaping chasm, and whilst we are still relying on The beanpole, fro, elbow windmill, clown to be our plan b, money better invested elsewhere
There are some highly talented CBs around. We shouldnt settle with decent ones, we've got enough of those already
Very, Leicester leaking a lot of goals last season in comparison to their previous campaigns was partly down to him.
I didn't expect this much of a response. Have to say I'd just go with Baily and Lindelof and let them bond. Not convinced by Maguire.That said, the day we bought Steve Bruce, I wondered if he was good enough! Domagoj Vida, anyone? ha ha
Maguire mostly convinced me that he can be a bit of a cnut this world cup. Not a bad defender, but typical good world cup performance by a meh player.
Bit like Rojo in that regard.
Bit like Rojo in that regard.
Not as an individual it wasn’t because his form was good - good enough to go to the World Cup in fact
They leaked a lot of goals because their defence wasn’t the same week in/week out. Full backs and Huth got in/out. Morgan’s form dropped off.
Midfield wasn’t as good either, no Kante protecting them, they bought a midfield player but weren’t allowed to play him.
Management/coaching change again
We would concede so many headers and lose so many flick-ons with that pairing! Neither are good at heading. Lindelof is positively shy off it!
He won Leicester’s players player of the year and fans player of the year award. That wouldn’t happen if he was responsible for the collapse of their defence.
Good point
Yessssss! Splash the cash. Very, very good player.
Awful, he's so slow! apparently Liverpool have bid for him, i'd be absolutely astounded if that's true.
Any credible sources reporting about this? Or just weak rumours connecting us with a player who has had a decent WC?
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I like Maguire too. But I question if he is better on the ball than any of our CBs other than Smalling? Lindelöf, Jones, Rojo and Bailly are all quite good on the ball actually.
They dont pass the ball between the lines because they are not allowed to. Same would apply to Maguire if we got him. Play the ball to "first station" (The DMs picking it up) or the FBs. Or as a third option go long to Lukaku over the lines. All three alternatives comes with a minimum risk of a transition against us. Thats the options a CB has under Mourinho. It wont change because of whichever players we buy for CB. Mourinho played like that even in Real Madrid.
I can see Mourinho going for Maguire for a different reason though maybe: his strength in the air. I believe that Mourinho is anything but happy with how we handled crosses and corners against and our offensive output in the same areas. With the size of our team and the organization that usually comes with Mourinho it should have been way better than it was this year. I might be a cynic but I would bet my money on that these are the type of issues that Mourinho will try to tweak this year. Smalling and Maguire together might settle this in Mourinhos mind.
Playing between the lines and attacking fullbacks I think will have to wait until Mourinhos time here is over.
He's far better on the ball than Jones and Rojo. It is supposedly Lindelof's strength but he really hasn't shown anything like that for us yet. I'd give him the edge over Bailly as well, although that's a bit closer.
Smalling and Maguire would be absolutely dominant in the air.
There was a Dutch source which was on point with Blind's transfer that we wanted a high sum for Blind because we wanted to raise funds for Maguire.
He was available for half of what Lindelof was last summer - typical hard-on for foreigners and post-Ferguson snobbery means common sense signings overlooked. Both he and Robertson would have been good additions for circa £25m combined.
Neutralise a lot of the fee by offering one of Jones or Lindelof to Leicester, bring Harry in and also sign Alderweireld.
Neutralise a lot of the fee by offering one of Jones or Lindelof to Leicester, bring Harry in and also sign Alderweireld.
Heart of a lion.
Head of a lunchbox.
Head of a lunchbox.
For me, he's probably not quite as good a pure defender as some of the others yet but good enough to be on their level, probably somewhere between Lindelof and Jones for ability on the ball, and probably just above or the same as Smalling for aerial dominance, whilst having a strong mentality and no real fitness concerns.
That for me, would have made him a better option to have in the squad for United than anybody other than Bailly.
Agreed, and for a defender you’d think they’d be pretty good at it.
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