This is all true but do you think he's better at defending than the players we have? I personally don't think he's better than Jones, Smalling or Bailly.
Better than Lindelof and Rojo mind.
Maguire | NOT McGuire or MacGuire
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This is all true but do you think he's better at defending than the players we have? I personally don't think he's better than Jones, Smalling or Bailly.
Better than Lindelof and Rojo mind.
All we do is defend. Maybe we need someone brave enough to run out of defence with the ball.
He isn’t as bad at defending as people are making out but he isn’t better than them at defending. We wouldn’t be buying him for that though.
Mourinho will 100% see him as a John Terry type of player.
I reckon the links are genuine.
I reckon the links are genuine.
Nice idea but I doubt his attacking mindset will last once he's received a few lashings of the whip for daring to step into the opponent's half. Operant conditioning and all that.
Overrated. Had a decent world cup against mostly limited opposition. Slow, cumbersome and my god does he moan a lot.
Let's set our sights on someone world class rather than this big lump.
Let's set our sights on someone world class rather than this big lump.
That’s my point. He was a PL player being regularly praised and yet some keep repeating that they’ve rated him since his Hull days. Woop-de-fecking-doo, you own a television
That’s my point. He was a PL player being regularly praised and yet some keep repeating that they’ve rated him since his Hull days. Woop-de-fecking-doo, you own a television
First and foremost John Terry was an excellent defender. So I'm not sure how Jose would see him anywhere near comparable.
That’s my point, he was hardly a hidden gem like Vardy at Fleetwood, yet some keep repeating that they’ve rated him since his Hull days. I mean he was a PL player at this point getting regular praise.
Bit casual on the first goal.
Rose was with Meunier sure, but its still a ball into Maguire's area of defence and whats he doing exactly? Just standing around. He's not defending or covering anything, the only threat is Meunier.
Jones was originally caught out of position on the attack down Belgium's left and other than him, Maguire is the last back to fill the holes in our shape/defence.
Maguire even points backwards to tell his teamates to drop back but he's the most casual one jogging back into position which he never gets to.
Several mistakes from England players there, Jones and Rose but yes also Maguire. Only Trippier and Stones came anywhere close to doing what they were supposed to during that move imo.
Thats just one example. But throughout the game when Belgium counterattacked at pace Maguire was out of position and doesnt get back. Another example is Meunier's volley in the 2nd half where Belgium break and when Meunier is making contact with his volley from almost half way inside the England box, Maguire is barely making it to around 20 yards from his own box (A yard from the D outside the 18 yard box). Again he's got caught up the pitch and the move has broken down and he doesnt have the pace or work ethic to get back into shape.
Having said all of that I do think he would be an upgrade on Jones although only in attacking ways. I would prefer we signed him instead of Toby assuming the fee is far more realistic than what Spurs want for him. He's not great but he is someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence and can find a good pass plus hes very strong in the air. But he will also give the ball away at times. And he'll be out of position and not get back at times. We'll need to watch that and it needs to be reflected in his transfer fee.
Rose was with Meunier sure, but its still a ball into Maguire's area of defence and whats he doing exactly? Just standing around. He's not defending or covering anything, the only threat is Meunier.
Jones was originally caught out of position on the attack down Belgium's left and other than him, Maguire is the last back to fill the holes in our shape/defence.
Maguire even points backwards to tell his teamates to drop back but he's the most casual one jogging back into position which he never gets to.
Several mistakes from England players there, Jones and Rose but yes also Maguire. Only Trippier and Stones came anywhere close to doing what they were supposed to during that move imo.
Thats just one example. But throughout the game when Belgium counterattacked at pace Maguire was out of position and doesnt get back. Another example is Meunier's volley in the 2nd half where Belgium break and when Meunier is making contact with his volley from almost half way inside the England box, Maguire is barely making it to around 20 yards from his own box (A yard from the D outside the 18 yard box). Again he's got caught up the pitch and the move has broken down and he doesnt have the pace or work ethic to get back into shape.
Having said all of that I do think he would be an upgrade on Jones although only in attacking ways. I would prefer we signed him instead of Toby assuming the fee is far more realistic than what Spurs want for him. He's not great but he is someone who is comfortable bringing the ball out of defence and can find a good pass plus hes very strong in the air. But he will also give the ball away at times. And he'll be out of position and not get back at times. We'll need to watch that and it needs to be reflected in his transfer fee.
I like his England partner more.
I agree. But I think there is a lot of potential there, and that a good coach and a good system could develop him into a very good player. His pace is a bit of a worry. Appear to be a level-headed, bright man who should be easy to coach. Lack of experience at the highest level despite his age could also imply that there is alot of potential.
Where was Toby and van Dijk at the same age?
This is my opinion also.
Also not seeing the ability on the ball stiff that others are. Mentioned in another thread
You should probably hit up bbc iPlayer and watch some of his passes out of defence or even better yet carrying it up to and beyond midfield, by far an upgrade on any of the dross we have at center back.
Colossus in the air, quite nice with the passing.
Would potentially be nervous 1 on 1 v a pacey player, and even more nervous about the level of fee talked about, but could be interesting.
We're obviously after A centre back, but they don't really know which one, as a few names are emerging now.
Would potentially be nervous 1 on 1 v a pacey player, and even more nervous about the level of fee talked about, but could be interesting.
We're obviously after A centre back, but they don't really know which one, as a few names are emerging now.
Good aerially but we cannot take a corner for shit so no point also
Anyone would be an upgrade on Jones and Smalling.
A youtube vid that shows some of his on the ball qualities.
He has the face of a Game of Thrones villain or a Chelsea player (first Mourinho era)
Will probably cost Koulibaly and Skriniar money.
We're talking about big money here. We don't look like spending big fee for Toby & VVD of today so save that argument of Maguire is better at same age. Player can be at lower level in younger age but what make good player is the level when they mature. Not everyone would develop well. Some have load of raw potential untapped even. 50+ mil for potential doesn't sound like our initial plan.
Definitely.
Seriously? I like Bailly but some on here ridiculously over-rate him.
The only sustained good run of form Bailly has had was at the beginning of his first season. He did look very good at that point. He had another smaller good run later in his first season, and another one at the beginning of the second season, but even during those periods he was being out-performed by Rojo (in the former) and Jones (in the latter). Otherwise he's been all over the place showing no consistency at all. Yes part of that has been injuries, but it's also partly been a general lack of consistency where he's followed a good game straight away with a poor one.
Bailly has fantastic potential and on his day has shown a higher level than any of our other options have ever reached (other than Smalling in the first half of 15/16). But until he shows it consistently he's not our best defender let alone one of the best in the league.
Its not like we are talking about an unproved kid from Ligue 2 either. Our staff should be able to make a conclusion based on 70 games in the Premier League, and we should not buy him unless Mourinho are convinced he is a good player that will improve our lineup today.
But it would be positive if our manager feel that it is possible to get a player that will become even better under his guidance and in his system. If you are not able to identify synergies when you invest in players, you are likely to end up overpaying.
He's easily our best CB, there are definitely issues with injuries. He never got a good run of games last year because of it. He's way better than the chuckle brothers and Rojo. He's a quality player, people banging on about Harry Maguire. We need someone to partner Bailly, that still could be Lindelof. At least he's good on the ball, Maguire is no major upgrade and not the profile of player we need as I said earlier.
The link with us just started. If we had a long term interest, I would think we would have heard about it sooner and attempted to negotiate before WC. It's convenient that the rumor only started last few days.
If we're indeed developing serious interest (which I doubt since the first to break this rumor was some of the most unreliable source), then who I am to decide. Just saying it doesn't sound convincing the rumor when it comes to our need and what Maguire can offer immediately
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How can he 'easily' be our best CB when he's only really shown it for about three months over a two year period? It's not just because of injuries, there's been a couple of times where he's had a good run of games and his form tailed off badly after a while.
I do agree that overall he's better than Rojo and Jones. They have much the same problems he brings while he has a higher upside. But until Bailly does it consistently he can't be rated ahead of Smalling in anything except potential.
He's better than Smalling, at least Bailly doesn't look terrified when someone passes it to him. Bailly also looks better next to the other players. Can't say Smalling looks much of a leader either, considering the length of time he's been with us.
As long as signing him means the end of Phil Jones at United.... Get him......
I must be honest and admit the guy is a huge talent. No doubt about it. I think that it was his size that made it difficult to judge him properly. He looked like a donkey but he’s actually a intelligent player with a very good ball control. But the thing that sets him apart is his aerial ability. He’s a monster on set pieces and corners. Easily that alone is worth a couple of points each season.
Selling Jones must be first priority if we’re looking for a new CB.
Selling Jones must be first priority if we’re looking for a new CB.
Jones and Smalling are hardly young players anymore and have probably only had one good season each. JOnes in particular has been a very dissappointing player for us considering the player he looked like he could become when at Blackburn.
He probably is over rated due to the world cup. I never saw him as more than a decent, premier standard reasonable on the ball, strong defender. He has come of age at the world cup and proven a lot of people, including myself wrong in his ability to perform at the highest level. Yes he is a better defender than Smalling and Jones, that isnt any great feat, he was before the world cup.
I think Bailly is a raw rough player who hasnt had a great season but is the only real quality centre back we have and not sure him and MaGuire is the ideal partnership. But is Maguire better than the other four or five bang average defenders we have, of course he is. If we were to sign him though I would also like us to sign a second centre back so that we had three good centre backs as well as Mensah and Tuanzabe and probably only keep one of JOnes and Smalling
At that yes. Attacking from CB. Not as good a defender as Smalling or Bailly in his first season. Lindelof perhaps looked a better defender in the WC too
His agent has played a blinder, and deserves every penny of the commission he will get for getting his client a pay rise. £50 million? You are having a laugh.
Agree with a lot of what you say. However I would say even so....he IS still our best defender because all the others are just bang average and bar Lindelof not at an age where you can talk about potential (which Lindelof has little of either). He is raw and definately needs to improve his consistency and level of concentration.....however that would be a lot easier for him to do if he was clear of injuries, played regularly and most importantly had a quality partner which he certainly doesnt have at the moment in my opinion. Personally would like us to sign two centre backs and sell the majority of the current ones who havent proved themselves. An experienced defender like Bonucci/Alderwierweld and another good quality one like MaGuire/Romagnoli. I know we are talking of £100m to outlay but we have in JOnes, Smalling, Lindelof, Rojo and Blind well over £100m worth of average centre backs. Two good additions to fight it out with Bailly with Mensah and Tuanzabe as 4th and 5th options for two spots would be a massive improvement and pretty much costless overhaul on what for me is probably the weakest area of our side, not our full backs, midfield or wide players
Just wondering...has anyone actually seen anything in Fosu Mensah or Tuanzebe to think they'll be good enough centre backs for United? I haven't, especially with Mensah whom I've seen a lot of. They're our academy boys yes but that's not enough to give them a pass. If they aren't good enough, move them on and replace them. Happens everywhere. No point stocking dead wood that doesn't add value and blocks opportunities for better recruitment.
So you think Maguires worth £60-70m?
This post was completely sarcastic mate , I was making a joke about how people come out the woodwork saying “always rated him at x” when players start improving on the world/ premier league stage, I’m aware that premier league scouts actually do this and don’t bullshit like cafe posters
Sorry if I caused confusion, I’m sarky c*nt 
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