You think I should chop and change my opinions based purely on the way UEFA view an incident? Interesting.
Madrid's deliberate red cards
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You think I should chop and change my opinions based purely on the way UEFA view an incident? Interesting.
What they did was wrong and the mere fact it's been punished before(see Beckham)means an offence has been commited, all this "it's common in football", "wanting to be punished ain't a crime" etc is just bollocks. They might get away with it on a technicality but that doesn't mean they are innocent and there's been no wrongdoing at all.
Hide behind the ass that is the law and it's technicalities all you want, it's a proven punishable offence, it's wrong both morally and in accordance with the law, and Jose and his staff were integral to dreaming up and executing the hole sorry scam that it was.
Hide behind the ass that is the law and it's technicalities all you want, it's a proven punishable offence, it's wrong both morally and in accordance with the law, and Jose and his staff were integral to dreaming up and executing the hole sorry scam that it was.
Not any more. Worse still you can't appeal false yellows that lead to a suspension. (remember Fletcher)
I'd certainly reinstate the number of yellow cards they were on for when they come back from suspension.
Hmm yes, a 1 match ban and the yellows reinstated...much better than a fine.
Everyone is ignoring the giant elephant in the room
Don't worry he left his calling card.
Just saw a video from that game. Disgrace
EDIT: That is exactly why Mourinho should not be allowed anywhere near our club
EDIT: That is exactly why Mourinho should not be allowed anywhere near our club
Looking for a booking should be a straight red offence, I say... And carry a three game suspension. But, the rules don't permit this!
err... good on them. I would do the same as a player or manager. Not a big deal, and if it is then UEFA should change the rules. They played the cards they were dealt. How would one define a "deliberate" booking anyway?
How do they intend to prove that it was intentional?
You prefer Roy Hodgson? Pure gentlemen.
It'll be a can of worm i tell ya, the thing with yellow / red is very vague even without adding the extra dimension.
Then every team / player unhappy at losing can claim that deliberate red / yellow have been sought, perhaps in this case it's obvious because it's done in a non tackling manner in the final 2-3 minutes of the game, then people will just do it 10 minutes earlier with a tackling offense, then after 15 minutes? 20 minutes?
There's nothing good coming at imposing a stick over something you can't clearly define without having much controversy
You all are a bunch of whining hypocrites. Just a month ago, most caftards were justifying Nani's goal against Tottenham. Again, wasn't that unsportsmanlike conduct even though it was within the rules? How is this scenario any different?
I don't have a problem with what they did, and infact said I wouldn't mind if our players did the same...But in what way are the two scenarios the same?
One is playing to the letter of the law, the other is exploiting a loophole in it. Playing to the whistle does not need defending or justification, and it certainly is not unsportsmanlike....whereas many could argue what Real did was 'wrong'.
I'm not and won't.
UEFA are simply punishing dishonest mistakes....
silly ain't it
silly ain't it
Sanctimonious humbugs-Jose? No. No.
Some caftards over here. Always very particular about fair play and foul.
Some caftards over here. Always very particular about fair play and foul.
Those situations are so entirely different how can you even justify saying they're similar.
Jose should be nowhere near our club.
he wasn't even exploiting a loophole - he just carried on playing football whilst they pissed about
I think by the loophole he means the red card exploiting, not Nani's goal.
the rule is same for everyone.
Yup. Nani simply carried on playing football because the ref didn't tell him to do any different. Real took advantage of the rules in a manner that some might deem against the 'spirit of the game'.
There really isn't a comparison.
Both incidents are officially legally nothing wrong.
If you're telling spirit of the game, both are against the spirit of the game
Nah, bollox.
Expecting any footballer, professional or otherwise, to not play to the whistle in the name of sportsmanship is a very big ask.
Expecting any footballer to not get deliberately sent off should be a given.
Expecting any footballer, professional or otherwise, to not play to the whistle in the name of sportsmanship is a very big ask.
Expecting any footballer to not get deliberately sent off should be a given.
So is fouling.
Nani was not honest enough to tell the ref that he had deliberately handled the ball for a number of seconds in the box
Doesn't matter because he should have got a penalty, it was the ref's mistake not Nani's.
He didn't need to. The referee saw the hand-ball and played advantage.
Now can we kill the Nani discussion dead here please? It's been done to death in another thread and has feck all to do with the topic being discussed here.
Typical cnutish behaviour from Wenger isnt it?
Making thick statements about things that are none of his business.
Don't players do this in the Premier League? Just out of curiosity...
In Portugal is totally imbued into the League culture, everyone does it when needed. Players get suspended after the 5th yellow card for example, and when they have 4, many times they get the 5th deliberately to "clear" the punishment on an easier game and avoid being on risk before more important matches. Just two weeks ago Moutinho got his 5th yellow by taking ages to hit a corner so he could "rest" against Portimonense and make sure that he wouldn't have to miss the match against Sporting two weeks later.
How is it on England? Players simply ignore the number of cards they have? A player on 4 yellows (or the equivalent pre-suspension you have there) might play for weeks on the risk of suspension without trying to clear it at a more convenient time?
As far as I can tell there isn't much that can be done about it anyway. An "extra-punishment" could be awarded for blatant situations like these but then players would adapt another way, by getting their yellows blocking counters, pulling shirts, which can lead to even more harm for the opposing team. We'll never be able to prove intent then, so if the system is inherently exploitable we might as well accept this as a tactical decision by the players (they ARE being punished for what it's worth) and acknowledge there's not much that can be done about it. How can we consider this more unlawful than a player "sacrificing" himself for the team and blocking a dangerous counter, etc... It's part of the rules and as in any game, players should have the right to commit fouls and receive punishment for them at the time that it will be more beneficial for their team.
In Portugal is totally imbued into the League culture, everyone does it when needed. Players get suspended after the 5th yellow card for example, and when they have 4, many times they get the 5th deliberately to "clear" the punishment on an easier game and avoid being on risk before more important matches. Just two weeks ago Moutinho got his 5th yellow by taking ages to hit a corner so he could "rest" against Portimonense and make sure that he wouldn't have to miss the match against Sporting two weeks later.
How is it on England? Players simply ignore the number of cards they have? A player on 4 yellows (or the equivalent pre-suspension you have there) might play for weeks on the risk of suspension without trying to clear it at a more convenient time?
As far as I can tell there isn't much that can be done about it anyway. An "extra-punishment" could be awarded for blatant situations like these but then players would adapt another way, by getting their yellows blocking counters, pulling shirts, which can lead to even more harm for the opposing team. We'll never be able to prove intent then, so if the system is inherently exploitable we might as well accept this as a tactical decision by the players (they ARE being punished for what it's worth) and acknowledge there's not much that can be done about it. How can we consider this more unlawful than a player "sacrificing" himself for the team and blocking a dangerous counter, etc... It's part of the rules and as in any game, players should have the right to commit fouls and receive punishment for them at the time that it will be more beneficial for their team.
I agree with this. I used to think he would be perfect for us. Now I just think he is a prick. Madrid suits him down to the ground.
I'm sure it has been done in the past, but with a bit more subtlety, this was as ham-fisted as you can get. Some managers I think will rest a player on 4 yellows to for a match to save him for the bigger match.
Scholes had 4 going into the City match, and only played a part of the match leading up to City, IIRC. Where he went on to pick up his 5th...
At least someone's found a use for Jerzy Dudek, I guess.
I would never expect the Premier League to be so blatant at it like we are, there was always a more sportsmanship culture there.
And
at those pictures.Either way, I never expected this to be abnormal to the point of meriting 15 pages. Ah, the Mourinho effect.
Should have, would have, could have
Makes no difference, this is all about honesty, integrety and fair play
Besides the over discussed Nani incident v spurs, he doesn't have thosae attruibutes in abundance
Whats he saying to the keeper in that vid?