They should have at least reinstated the yellow cards.
Madrid's deliberate red cards
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Well done UEFA.
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Uefa reduce fines for #RealMadrid and Mourinho (and touchline ban modified) re Ramos/Alonso red cards. What's changed?
Uefa reduce fines for #RealMadrid and Mourinho (and touchline ban modified) re Ramos/Alonso red cards. What's changed?
So Busquets and Valdes did exactly the same thing at the weekend.
Més que un club.
Més que un club.
Surely not, where's the outcry?
Didn't you hear about it?
Nope, I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that there's no 16 page thread about it.
What are you insinuating, Nick?
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I love how that isn't reported. Both clubs over their are scum IMO.
This is the first I've heard of it but if true, it's just as much a scandal and a disgrace as what the Madrid scenario was. I recall allegations being made in the Spanish press that Deco and Eto'o got suspended on purpose in 2007-08 to avoid the Madrid game and the guard of honour they had to give for Madrid winning the title prior. It all stinks and is poor professionalism really.
Ha shock nothing is said about the glorious Barca
That guard of honor was one pf the most humiliating scenes in Barca's history. If I remember abidal didn't even clap and Gago was laughing at the Barca players....then they went on to be thumped 4-1.
I can't blame Deco and Eto'o.
if nothing is reported it is as it should be. It's a joke there was any outcry over Madrid doing this in the first place.
I think one of the reasons for lesser coverage is that Madrid did it in the CL, in front of the whole European audience whreas Barca did it in a domestic game that many(including myself)did not/could not watch. That's no defence for Barca, what happened is a disgrace on the same levels that Madrid stooped to, the fact is though that they did it in a lower profile game so therefore the coverage is not as extreme. It's not right, and we at United suffer more than anyone due to discrepancies in coverage, but it's a fact of life.
The game in which they did it may have been low profile, but the game which they have enabled themselves to play in is far from it.
Great point.
True, and I'm not defending them at all in this. The fact is though a lot less attention would have been payed towards their game at the weekend than a CL fixture. I couldn't watch their game the other day, so didn't know about all this, the same applies for many people outside Spain. The CL however offers a more intense spotlight, and that's why Madrid's antics gained more coverage.
The player's in question and any other parties involved need to be dealt with like Madrid were.
I was trying to imply you were defending them mate, sorry, just saying it's a bit off that this is being ignored by seemingly everyone.
I just think it's so expected for that Catalan lot that there is no need to talk about it, I'd be surprised if they didn't. They are the worst hypocrites in football.
Més que un club...
In order for that to happen, someone would have to actually start a thread dedicated to it.
If they did start a new thread, I doubt it would drag on for 16 pages though. Mainly because I don't think any caftards would bother defending the actions of Guardiola/Barca, so it would be a short thread with everyone agreeing with each other.
This is in contrast to the lengthy debate that resulted from people defending Mourinho/Madrid in the first dozen or so pages of this thread.
Stuff like this, for example.
Is this your take on Barca's deliberate bookings too?
I just think it's so expected for that Catalan lot that there is no need to talk about it, I'd be surprised if they didn't. They are the worst hypocrites in football.
Més que un club...
Whilst Barca are hypocrites and patronising, the whole "Mes que un club" slogan is interpreted wrongly by many. It's a reference to representing the "nation" of Catalunya, and providing a platform for the locals to speak Catalan openly back when Franco outlawed it. It's a political reference that has stood the test of time rather than a sporting outlook or slight on any other club which is how a lot of people(yourself included) percieve it.
I still don't have a problem with it, from either of them, but people are quick enough to jump up and down in disgust when Mourinho is involved but nobody seems to give a toss when Barca do it. It's the hypocrisy and double standards that bug me.
Like you say, nobody started a thread, are you telling me nobody watched the game or was aware of it?
How the feck does Valdes have 5 yellows? Does he whine as much as the rest of the Barca side?
The comment about the thread was purely because it was amalgamated into an existing thread, rather than getting one of it's own. That's a decision down to the thread-starter but it often means that interesting news tid-bits get lost because don't realise the bump is actually about a completely different issue and don't bother reading it.
As for whether or not people "give a toss", this incident was in a much lower profile game and was also a lot less dramatic. A double sending off (for time-wasting, of all things) in a CL game will always attract more attention than a couple of bookings in a fairly routine domestic league game.
Well it's not for tough tackling, is it?
Unusual for keepers to get that many bookings but I think Lehmann might have once got a two game ban for 10 yellow cards. He's mental though.
Not by me, it was a joke.
They've done it to make sure they can play in 'El Classico', otherwise known as 'La Liga 2nd Leg', which is a pretty high profile and important game. The match in which Madrid did it was fairly meaningless at the point of the double sending off too, the important game was the one they made sure they could play in, and the Barca players second yellows were also for time wasting of all things, so I don't see there being any difference in the two cases apart from the reaction.
Like I've said all the way through the thread, I don't have any issue with what they did, and the additional penalties given to the Madrid players was daft in my view, but there's a lack of consistency in the uproar/lack of.
The difference is obvious, though. Almost everyone here watches CL football, and it gets a lot of coverage in the press. Hence, there's bound to be a high proportion of people aware of a double sending off in one of the games.
Conversely, there's likely to be a much smaller proportion of people aware of two players getting booked in a run of the mill Spanish league game.
Obviously, the consequences are arguably more profound but the point stands about there being much fewer people aware of what went on, relative to the CL red cards.
As for "uproar", that was down to people have a massive argument about whether or not Madrid's behaviour was acceptable or not. Hence the lengthy thread. There seems to be a very quick consensus here that what Barca did was unacceptable. Mind you, you seem to think differently on this but - for some reason - didn't want to speak up in defence of them. Which is your perogative.
Whatever, it's not hard to see why discussions on this issue won't drag on as long as the Madrid red cards.
It's the consequences which matter though, so that's what should be looked at rather than the game the cards were picked up in. I take your point that the Barca game would have had less people watching, but let's not forget that the Madrid match in which they picked up their yellows was played at the same time as we were playing our own Euro match, so I doubt anybody on here actually watched that game either, the reaction was largely media driven. I think differently in that I think they infringed the rules and were sent off, which for me is where the story should end, I didn't get the uproar about it having been done intentionally, it's the same rule being broken and the punishment should be the same imo. There's little point in having that argument again though.
You're right, however, that the discussion won't drag on as long in this case.
You're right, however, that the discussion won't drag on as long in this case.
To be fair, though I can sympathize with some of the criticisms of "Latin" football, which I understand can be annoying to watch for who's not used to watch a game with so many fouls, whining, diving and time wasting, I don't understand what's the fuss about this. Portuguese clubs all have done this since I remember watching football and I thought it was a pretty standard tactic worldwide, I'm actually surprised you people think of it as something so wrong. It's a perfectly natural thing to do, work with your calendar and suspensions, the players are still punished anyway.
You can't regulate it either, it's very easy to get a deliberate "non-deliberate-appearing" yellow card whenever you like, a rougher tackle, or preventing a counter by grabbing a shirt and it's done. Getting the yellows by time-wasting is just more blatant and in a way an acknowledgement that there's nothing wrong with it, at least from their point of view, or else they would try to dissimulate it better.
I remember Fucile (our right back) "deciding" to make a throw on the left-back area and slowly coming from the other side of the pitch. It was blatant and actually kind of funny when he faked surprise for the second yellow card in an extremely theatrical way. But it's safer than risking other players integrity with rough tackles, which he could do anyway without anyone ever guaranteeing their intention.
I appreciate English sportsmanship and connectedness, but this is a bit too far. Just because you didn't develop the habit of time-wasting to get yellows doesn't mean it's not a valid tactic to use. There's absolutely nothing wrong or covert with it. Players still are punished, and players who are frequently booked end up missing important matches a lot of times as well, as there isn't always an easy cup tie or very weak league opponent in hand to "spend" the punishment.
You can't regulate it either, it's very easy to get a deliberate "non-deliberate-appearing" yellow card whenever you like, a rougher tackle, or preventing a counter by grabbing a shirt and it's done. Getting the yellows by time-wasting is just more blatant and in a way an acknowledgement that there's nothing wrong with it, at least from their point of view, or else they would try to dissimulate it better.
I remember Fucile (our right back) "deciding" to make a throw on the left-back area and slowly coming from the other side of the pitch. It was blatant and actually kind of funny when he faked surprise for the second yellow card in an extremely theatrical way. But it's safer than risking other players integrity with rough tackles, which he could do anyway without anyone ever guaranteeing their intention.
I appreciate English sportsmanship and connectedness, but this is a bit too far. Just because you didn't develop the habit of time-wasting to get yellows doesn't mean it's not a valid tactic to use. There's absolutely nothing wrong or covert with it. Players still are punished, and players who are frequently booked end up missing important matches a lot of times as well, as there isn't always an easy cup tie or very weak league opponent in hand to "spend" the punishment.
Nowhere near as bad as saying feck at a camera 
Jesus and folk think the FA is corrupt.
Jesus and folk think the FA is corrupt.
Interesting stuff coming out of UEFA...They are looking at banning Iniesta for the Madrid CL 1st leg due to him picking up a deliberate booking when they beat Shakhtar 5-1. The Spanish seem to be cynical as feck with no moral fibre at all. Goes without saying of course that Barca have said they'll appeal if they ban him, even though a decision hasn't been made.
Hopefully United can get to Wembley and give one of the sly bastards what they deserve, a losers medal.
Hopefully United can get to Wembley and give one of the sly bastards what they deserve, a losers medal.
So Madrid players don't get banned for it but Barcelona players do?
Madrid got banned, the relevant bans for the yellows.
UEFA should butt out really.
UEFA should butt out really.
It's bloody stupid. Break the rules and you get X punishment, but break those exact same rules on purpose and you'll get a stronger punishment because, well erm, because we said!
I think it's the other way round isn't it? I'm confused