But your fine questioning other posters support of the club because they don't agree with you?
Luke Shaw nearer to Manchester United exit [The Times]
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But your fine questioning other posters support of the club because they don't agree with you?
If he was showing his potential in the reserves don't you think he'd be playing? We desperately need a LB.
I'm not sure why its so hard for fans to accept that maybe Shaw just doesn't have the mentality or ability. It's like you demand he gets a run of games just so you can observe yourself.
We can't hang on to him, Rafael at least had the fighting spirit to get back and contribute. If only Shaw had Ibras attitude
I also have difficulties understanding your statement
Well, not everyone is bright enough to understand a sentence when it has some gramatical errors.
I fear it has ended his career, albeit not at once. I think he struggled with motivation even pre-injury and the injury has pushed him into a zone where the effort doesn't seem worth it.
I hope I am wrong and he can restart his career elsewhere. I reckon he needs to move and we need a top level left back.
Please can you elaborate this time period? The game where mourinho made a tactical balls up. My memory is weak, it tells me shaw failed to track back twice and we conceded goals, then mourinho played him on his side and did the thinking for him, which he later elaborated in a press conference.
Also i am sure you are forgetting Shaw told mourinho on the day of the game he wasnt feeling it and decided not to play
Mourinho was furious with Shaw after the left-back told Mourinho he was not able to play at Swansea on the morning of the game.
Smalling, who has not played since the 4-0 savaging at Chelsea, also told the Special One he could not play through pain.
This was what most newspapers reported. He backed out of a game cause he dint fancy a bit of pain that is the attitude of Luke "pizza" shaw and many people know how he got that nick name.
Defending a player you like who has put the club you claim to support in trouble along with the manager of the same club is a bit shameful to be honest. I think some people have it in for mourinho and are still upset about giggsy/moyesy not given enough time.
mourinho also singled out mkhitarian, he got down worked hard and has done well, even scored in the final of EL and won over mourinho, same with mata, hell look at fellaini he took it from all of us and the media and opposition fans and emerged like a lion. If the reason for shaw not doing well is because his manager called him out publically then he deserves not to have great career in football. Btw i think no tactical balls up happened, shaw fecked up and you refuse to believe it.
i have no idea shaws mentality as i dont know the bloke and no one of this forum is.
All i can say is they player was playing well last season and then was singled out in game where other players performed worse and his form hasn't recovered.
of course Shaw has to look at himself, and im in no way saying he is blameless, but so does Mourinho, if you have a player who is performing well and your comments make him perform worse all because you need a scapegoat for a result then that seems like bad management a good manager undertsands that diffrent players respond well to diffrent types of management and the style Mourinho has adopted towards shaw has been more of a hindrance then a help. but that doesnt make shaw blameless.
but either way seems best for shaw and Mourinho if shaw moves on
3 seasons and what 5 decent games in that time. Nobody would lose any sleep if he leaves tomorrow nevermind in January
I'm just surprised we didn't sort this out in the summer. Perhaps if both he and Rose were fit we would have seen a swap deal then.
Sell him with decent buy back & first option clause. That will encourage the seller to play him and the player to prove himself. We should get a decent left back and use Mitchell as cover/competitor to that LB.
After Shaw’s comments about wanting to play under Pochettino again, and Rose wanting to move back up North, I’d say you’re on the money here mate.
He just doesn't have the mentality required to play for Mourinho.
I was worried ever since Gary Neville emphasised on Sky that he has to become more mature, having worked with him in the England squad. Neville wouldn't have mentioned that if it wasn't a real issue.
I'd like to give him w new contract and loan him out as I still feel he'll be a top class LB if he matures in the next couple of years.
I was worried ever since Gary Neville emphasised on Sky that he has to become more mature, having worked with him in the England squad. Neville wouldn't have mentioned that if it wasn't a real issue.
I'd like to give him w new contract and loan him out as I still feel he'll be a top class LB if he matures in the next couple of years.
Apart from he's said the quotes are bullshit.
Are you fecking kidding me with this post? Do you support shaw Fc? like i have pointed out you favourite player of all time refused to play for the club on the day of the game. He has reputation of being unprofessional and eating pizza. Ravel morisson was a young guy with tremendous potential so was gael kakuta, adel taraabt, luke shaw's friend memphis etc .
A leg break is not a career ending injury not these days, a double cruciate ligament tear is and a 37 year old has made a better recovery with a better attitude than luke.
He makes over lapping runs and gets told for that? What the actual feck? The same manager bought Ashley cole, plays wingers in fullback positions cause full backs arent good enough.Pretty sure maicon's best season came under jose mourinho those were two of the best fullbacks in the game, he also played marcelo and coentrao for madrid.
Then you say he hopes jose wrong and has a better career elsewhere? its okay to hope a player has a good career but at the cost of your own club and your own manager? Do you support united?
This shaw love in from caf members is absolutely idiotic. It was same with rooney and he overstayed his welcome for 3-4 years, memphis anmd schniderlin were also hunted by jose mourinho and so was adnan januzaj. Its stupid to even contemplating supporting a player who has done nothing over a manager who has achieved it all and gave your club back some semblence of respect. People are ungrateful, but supporting a club means supporting the manager not fat boys from southampton who cant be arsed to do shit.
So this whole article is bullshit then?
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...w-hopes-to-play-for-mauricio-pochettino-again
of course i can.
The time period was the beginning of last season, shaw was just back from injury, and was starting and for the first i think 5 games(im going of memory here so i may be wrong) we where all raving about him and how it looked like he hadn't been injured and how he was going to fufill his potention yada yada yada.....
Then the city game hit where Mourinho made an absolute shocker tactically, trying using Lingard and mkhitaryan as defensive winger and not playing a defensive midfielder against a Pep side (whose teams basically live in that space between the back four and the midfield. but even that game i remember shaw been pretty good.
Then we played Watford the following week, again we didnt play a defensive midfilder and watford basically made use of that space, Pogba felllaini they where basically inaffective and where utterly terrible that game, and yet after the game it was Shaw that was singled out by Mourinho. and he has basicly become a scapegoat ever since.
you have a point that some players have won the manager over after been singled out, and i agree that Shaw could of done more to win Mourinhos favour back. But on the flip side Mourinho should understand that diffrent players respond diffrently to diffrent styles of managment and he has not managed Shaw very well, in fact he has had a negative effect on his form rather then a postitive one.
Also using mkhitaryan as an example, he deseverd his criticism he was dreadful in that city game, but if you where shaw and you where defintly not the worse player on the pitch and had been playing well and players like Pogba had a shocker yet your the one getting singled out then that isnt gong to give you much incentive to work for that manager.
Not bullshit, he wrote for Pochettino's book or promoted it and said this. Its just that media leak it just when the time is right.
The strong rumour I'm aware of is his attitude generally stinks, and last year had periods of bringing mates up from down south to live with him, and basically live like a bunch of students bumming round and gorging. His parents were supposedly mortified his career at united will be over, and even last year didn't he make some strange heartfelt statement he will turn himself around? Jose wouldn't not play someone or slam him in public for no reason
What the feck did I just read? Players have to play through the pain coz Mourinho said so? Only the player and to an extent the medical staff gets to decide when to play not fecking Mourinho. Asking a player especially one who has suffered a double fracture to play through the pain is moronic and then to say it out to the media is even more stupid.
Oh and if anything the manager is putting the club in trouble by forcing an injured player to play, what if he suffers even more severe injuries or he couldn't give his best in the pitch coz you know he's not fit.
You just know he'll flourish elsewhere however he and us need to move on now
This sums it up....
Any professional knows, that you have to impress in training to be in the matchday squad/team.
And any fool can see that United are crying out for a LB.
Shaw should see the opportunity, know what he has to do, and grab it with both hands, but he doesn't......
Its all very well saying "give him a run of games to show what he can do" even when he hasn't produced in training.
Its like saying an F1 driver should be given pole position to "show what he can do" despite finishing last in qualifying.
Luke Shaw, shape up, or ship out..!!
Shaw is the perfect example why England can never build a team that can win the WC. Kids in the EPL are first hyped to the ridiculous which often leads to complacency only for them to be kicked to the ground once they failed to reach the ridiculous expectations the Ingerlund fans have on them.
Kids need to be constantly tested and protected in equal measure. There's a reason why the only 2 English players who could walk in any national team weren't considering as England's young darlings. Scholes was taunted as being too small and too ashmatic to make it while SAF's ridiculous 'if Rio is worth 18m then Wes is worth 30' had surely had an impact on their tenacity to prove everyone wrong. Same thing can be said about other players who weren't exactly rated as world class players in their youth. From Lampard to Terry right to Beckham and Platt had amazing careers while the likes of Rooney, Shaw, Gazza and Owen either withered away too early or never fully fulfilled their potential. This is not exclusive to nationality. We've seen the likes of Rashford and Lingard who were never the star players in the youth team doing so well at first team level while the high rated kids (Ravel, the Da Silva twins, Periera, Macheda and Januzaj) failing miserably.
Its ridiculous to think that Shaw is finished at age 20 something. Its also equally ridiculous to think that he should be kept here despite producing so little to the team. In my opinion we should sell him to a smaller club while making sure we insert a minimum fee clause/first option clause. That will encourage him to do well as he knows he can get his second shot and will encourage the buying club to play him.
Kids need to be constantly tested and protected in equal measure. There's a reason why the only 2 English players who could walk in any national team weren't considering as England's young darlings. Scholes was taunted as being too small and too ashmatic to make it while SAF's ridiculous 'if Rio is worth 18m then Wes is worth 30' had surely had an impact on their tenacity to prove everyone wrong. Same thing can be said about other players who weren't exactly rated as world class players in their youth. From Lampard to Terry right to Beckham and Platt had amazing careers while the likes of Rooney, Shaw, Gazza and Owen either withered away too early or never fully fulfilled their potential. This is not exclusive to nationality. We've seen the likes of Rashford and Lingard who were never the star players in the youth team doing so well at first team level while the high rated kids (Ravel, the Da Silva twins, Periera, Macheda and Januzaj) failing miserably.
Its ridiculous to think that Shaw is finished at age 20 something. Its also equally ridiculous to think that he should be kept here despite producing so little to the team. In my opinion we should sell him to a smaller club while making sure we insert a minimum fee clause/first option clause. That will encourage him to do well as he knows he can get his second shot and will encourage the buying club to play him.
Great post. Playing for Utd is as much about a mentality than it is about ability at times. We seen that in players that have had good careers here like John O'Shea. Sadly it's the polar opposite for Shaw and like the names you've already mentioned, you get the sense it was too much too soon.
and only last week he played for the U23s and people on here were saying he was embarrassing
Well, we don’t have much insight into what’s been going on, so it’s probably best not to call the lad any nasty names.
To me his behaviour on that match day (telling José he couldn’t play on the morning of the match) indicates nerves/low confidence rather than laziness, etc.
Amateur psychologist hour over.
To me his behaviour on that match day (telling José he couldn’t play on the morning of the match) indicates nerves/low confidence rather than laziness, etc.
Amateur psychologist hour over.
I was told exactly the same. Also told that this lads basically made zero effort to build friendships within the club and players know about as much about him as they did when he first arrived. You get the feeling that this lad would sooner be doing anything than playing football. It seems like it's an inconvenience to him and he sooner be playing at being a student than playing football. I think the club has persisted with him as the potential to be good is there plus 30m at that time represented a significant outlay at that time. You get a sense that by the time he wakes up and realises his mistakes, his football career will have plummeted after a series of clubs have signed him thinking they can potentially get the best out of him....
I wish people would stop talking about replacing him with Rose. It would be one of the most idiotic transfers this club would make in recent history.
Saying he gets told off for making over lapping runs is drivel to be fair.
As is being "embarrassed" at people criticising a United player in the same post as you completely make something up in order to criticise the manager.
I don't understand the continued defence for Shaw from some people. It's as if people think playing for a team who want to be one of the elite football teams in the world should be made easy for him. If he is willing and able to meet the standards required then fair enough, if he isn't he should be either at a different club or in a different career. We shouldn't be letting players off lightly or lowering standards out of pity. He isn't 12.
I've watched the U23 and wouldn't say he was embarrassing as even Ronaldo would struggle to look good in that team. Honestly this is the worst Utd set of young players for a very long time.
just going off his performance thread, people were saying he played like he wasn't bothered and knew he was done here
That might have been their view but playing U23 at the back isn't an easy gig when what's in front of you is so poor. That said, he shouldn't even be playing there every week under normal circumstances. It's like one of those players that's on a big contract that you want to humiliate into leaving. Trust me he isn't going to find any confidence or match tempo playing in that side. The u23 is a strange concept any as its full of players who clearly not good enough to be here otherwise they'd be in the first team squad......erm maybe just right for Shaw after all then.
Considering they're the exact same quotes used in The Guardian or DM article then yes, look at Shaws DM on Twitter to someone from one of the United fan pages.
His contract runs out this Summer
He has contributed the square root of f*ck all during his time with us so I doubt I'll notice when he leaves.
I think that we have the option to extend for a year, which we will do to ensure he doesn’t leave on a free.
Such a disappointing signing. I thought we’d be set at LB for a decade when he signed
Seeing the state of the options we have at the moment makes me appreciate Irwin and Evra even more.
How come we've got a horrible U23 side? Whose fecking managing this team?
We do. But we couldn't loan him out for 2 years. Even 1 is a stretch.
Ricky Sbragia and we are shocking, currently bottom of the league with 5 points in 8 games.