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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
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4 of them signed post Fergie. 3 of them considered guaranteed starters or even critical to the starting XI, often overlapping with each other.
Great stuff!
Because clubs pay huge severance fees to sack them. Sacking isn't really the correct term, they agree to a severence - which usually amounts to the remainder of their contract or some pre-agreed term.
Personally, I've always liked the idea of just making the likes of Mourinho, Solskjaer, ETH manage the women's or the youth teams instead of paying them out/"sacking them". And just hire someone else to manage the men's team.
The main difference between managers and players, is that players for the most part are assets. For the vast majority of Shaws career at Man Utd, we would've got a bigger free on the transfermarket for him than the amount we owed him on his contract.
That has never been the case for a single manager, that we've hired in the post SAF era. From they moment they sign a contract, they're an instant liability. And the only way to move them on, is to pay them off.
Jeez!
We've all seen how this plays out. Set backs for Luke Shaw aren't just 1 week or 2 weeks. He will be out till the season end.
I remember arguing in this thread about Shaw being only out for couple of weeks when it was reported he suffered a set back during the pre-season. It was reported it was a "small set back" and will be back after the first international break. Turned out he missed like 4 months and was back on Nov 24th. Suffers another "small set back" on Dec 3rd out for almost 2 months until Jan 29th.
His body is broken beyond repair. Just come to a mutual agreement with him and look into terminating his contract.
I remember arguing in this thread about Shaw being only out for couple of weeks when it was reported he suffered a set back during the pre-season. It was reported it was a "small set back" and will be back after the first international break. Turned out he missed like 4 months and was back on Nov 24th. Suffers another "small set back" on Dec 3rd out for almost 2 months until Jan 29th.
His body is broken beyond repair. Just come to a mutual agreement with him and look into terminating his contract.
Sacking the player will require us to pay the reminder of his contract which is a non starter. However there are ways to go around that. For example its within the club's rights to push the players into treatments or surgeries meant not to put his career in place but simply to squeeze as much game time out of the player as possible. That can scare a player into an early retirement or some sort of settlement. Players tend not to want to spend 2 years in the surgery room with the risk of ending crippled for life just because of some contract. If I remember well that's the reason why Van Basten called it a day when he did.
Some people might perceive that as cruel. However I'd invite people to see the bigger picture and analyze the damage of having a 150k a week player on our payroll while contributing to next to nothing. I mean if you take all our LB's salaries (Dorgu on 40k, Malacia on75k and Amass around 10k) they don't make Shaw's salary COMBINED. That means the moment Dorgu or Amass start playing well then they'll come knocking at the manager's door demanding to be paid at least as much as the one whose never available. At a time of FFP, PSR and the club losing money that's a huge problem that must be sorted.
Some people might perceive that as cruel. However I'd invite people to see the bigger picture and analyze the damage of having a 150k a week player on our payroll while contributing to next to nothing. I mean if you take all our LB's salaries (Dorgu on 40k, Malacia on75k and Amass around 10k) they don't make Shaw's salary COMBINED. That means the moment Dorgu or Amass start playing well then they'll come knocking at the manager's door demanding to be paid at least as much as the one whose never available. At a time of FFP, PSR and the club losing money that's a huge problem that must be sorted.
Now there are reports that he'll be back in training on Monday
Which month?
According to Transfermarkt Shaw has suffered 29 injuries during his time at United, resulting in 1,606 days out injured. Which has led to Shaw missing 221 United games. 278 is the total appearances for the club he's had.
He should just stay in bed. Getting out of bed is dangerous for him.
You all do remember the injury he had right? To have played any games since then takes incredible mental strength and physical determination. Enough with the mocking already.
Yeah, think that's fair. Add to that the way Mourinho treated him, he's actually been one of our better signings post-SAF. Would question his decision to play in the Euros this summer in hindsight.
The decision to extend and then give him a new contract is where the real questions should be asked
I agree that is cruel.... United made the mistake of extending Shaw's contract.
We deserve to pay for our mistakes and hopefully learn from them.
I'd like to think United have better values than to force a player into a surgery with the intention of making them retire.
People should have longer memories and remember that Shaw's injury record is the aftereffect of the horrible injury inflicted by that thug from PSV who's name i don't recall
United made a mistake, we paid for it and we will be paying for it either way (settlement or paying the rest of Luke Shaw's contract). However contracts cut both ways as well. We're obliged to pay him and he's obliged to do anything to be available. The club is within its rights to see that it gets as much game play out of its assets as humanely possibly. Of course player and club can disagree with the next course of action which is why contracts can end, players can retire or agree a settlement. Players heading towards the end of career aren't easily managed. Keane for example felt that they pushed him out and he wasn't particularly happy with the way Robson and Bruce ended their career with us either. There again back in the day we were a football club who aimed for success not a hospital or a nursing home
And let's be honest here. Luke Shaw will retire by the end of this contract either way. It would be the case of the club shifting their view from saving his career which is by now a near impossibility to getting as much gameplay out of the remaining contract as humanely possible. This will be a case on whether he spends his last years as a player in the surgery room in a bid to give something back to his employee rather then enjoying doing tik toks and partying. There's always a way out.
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The broken leg in 2015 ruined him which is a shame because he looked like such a great talent. He got off to a slow start then really found his feet at the club and began the 15/16 looking like one of our best players. We've obviously seen him play at a high level in patches but he just can't escape the injuries and it's getting worse for him.
And clearly he has neither of those things.
He's literally in the category of worst club signings ever. In what sense do you think he was a good signing?
Becoming a club that sacks player for injuries sustained while on club duty is a great way of convincing future transfer targets to tell Utd to do one.
Injury prone footballers are not the same as the guy who takes 6 months off on the sick the day after his previous period of sick falls off his record.
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Right up our alley. A trifecta along with revoking a contract offer and asking a player to forgo wages we agreed on. And we'll wonder why we can't sign the type of players we used to. But hey all of our fans macho HR fantasies will come true.
Think most of us are more angry at the club for renewing him all this time instead of being angry at him for being constantly injured, even if he seemed to make extra effort to recover in time for England games.
Whoever gave him a four year contract back in 2023 with his then injury list that would make Darren Anderton look like the picture of health, needs to be shot into deep space.
I don’t think the leg break is necessarily the biggest cause of his troubles. I get the feeling his body conditioning in general isn’t great and hasn’t always been the most professional from some stories I recall from the past.
I don’t think the leg break is necessarily the biggest cause of his troubles. I get the feeling his body conditioning in general isn’t great and hasn’t always been the most professional from some stories I recall from the past.
Could possibly offer a reduced settlement to get rid of him, save a few quid, could not care less about the guy, played in the euro final and hasnt been near us again, he has shown his priorities.
I'd of been fuming if i was in that England squad and he played in the final in front of me!
Injury ravaged does not equal shite footballer. Shaw - like Saha, Hargreaves and Martial were all talented players whose bodies failed them. Sad.
If he is back in tranining from Monday then he could be part of squad for Tottenham on February 16th. I know it's difficult to hope to see him play but let's see.
I’m surprised he’s played that many.
I don't know about Phil's track record pre-United, but most weren't exactly mistakes by scouts/managers/committees... except for Mount. Players keep reputations, and Utd is in desperation mode for a long while now, but wasn't he already out for a year after already decreasing in form a lot?
Seeing (more of) the full potential of Jones, Martial and Shaw would have been nice, and luckily Martinez showed it already to at least some degrees. But none of that matters anymore.
United is horribly run, possibly carelessly so, but it's not entirely outlandish to say much of it was really bad luck, too.
Alexis, Maguire and Mount all reeked of panic buys though. Almost increasingly so. Hope the worst is behind them.
But the non-Mount buys out of this aren't really anyone's major fault, no?
Nah we will be alright. We were to able to attract Onana, De Ligt and Ugarte, all players playing at big clubs after the "revoking a contract offer". People go way overboard with the unable to sign players nonsense. As long as we offer competitive wages there will be players always willing to join.
Chelsea have signed many high rated young players with very limited pathway into the first team and frozen out some high paid players too. Remember Chelsea freezing out Chalobah, Chilwell and few other players and weren't even allowed to train with the first team squad? And there weren't any attitude issues too with those two if I'm not wrong. Didn't stop them from signing more players and now Chalobah is back in their first team squad. Is it the ethical thing to do? Ofcourse not. But that's the way things sometimes work at big clubs.
As someone who's body regularly fails them when trying to get fit and play football, I have a lot of sympathy for guys like him. We need to move on of course, but it's beyond frustrating when you keep getting injury after injury and it's one of those things that tend to happen if you've had some big injuries in the past.
It does seem to be that Luke Shaw's body just can't handle the load of professional football anymore though.
It does seem to be that Luke Shaw's body just can't handle the load of professional football anymore though.
The way people treat footballers who have injuries around here is odd. It's not as if the boy is trying to hurt himself and endure the physical and emotional toll that comes with it. Would have to be a sado-masochist. Not a single professional football is safe from being injured, sometimes even the most physically gifted fall prey to it whilst the most fragile can entirely avoid injuries.
He’s going to miss the entire season at this rate after declaring himself fit to play for England in the summer when clearly unfit. Should be a sackable offence, don’t worry about contracts.
Whilst everything you say is true, some players just don't help themselves, they don't adjust or adapt to what they need to in regard to their lifestyle choices
I mean, he's really not is he. He's not Antony/Sancho/Sanchez level.
On his day he's been a fantastic player for us. All the decent runs we had under ETH and Ole had a fit Shaw playing. I also think he's one of the few injury riddled players we've had with a legitimate excuse.
Apparently he’s expected to be back in training early next week according to Wheeler.
Oh I'm not denying that. I'm not blaming the club for this.
Although I think we should have sold most of our chronically injured players a lot sooner.
I know we’re all frustrated but that’s a ridiculous statement to make. He’s absolutely nowhere near one of our worst signings ever. Yes he’s missed around 6 full seasons in total out of 11. But when he has played, he’s been one of the very few players who we can regard as world class in the last 13 years.
And round and round we go... If this is some sign of patiency, I honestly salute you. I have no idea how that is possible.
(just to make sure, I don't think he is one of the worst signings but only because we made so many bs decisions that the field is packed like crazy)
The Owen Hargreaves of defenders...
Hector Moreno is a Cnut.