Unfortunately this
When fit and on form Shaw is one of the best around but 330 games missed is a crazy stat.
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Unfortunately this
When fit and on form Shaw is one of the best around but 330 games missed is a crazy stat.
Going forward, can we not insist on clauses that stipulate that if you miss some massive number of games that you're taking a haircut on salary? I get the counterargument to that, but surely there has to be a point of reasonable negotiation that if you sign say a five year contract and after the first month you're injured and you miss two years due to injury that you just don't get to collect every single penny of the contract through the end of the contract.
Even if the player got injured doing the job Utd are paying him to do? There’s a reason that no clubs whatsoever do that.
Never going to happen.
No one is going to sign that contract, obviously.
Is he injured again yet ?
I just can't get remotely into the idea of him being available for enough games to even get up to sharpness.
I just can't get remotely into the idea of him being available for enough games to even get up to sharpness.
I'm not saying miss a game, miss a paycheck. No one ever signs that contract.
What I'm saying is if you have to pay someone 200k/week that there has to be some kind of availability criterion. You get this, but the club gets that. If a player insists on being paid for five years straight even if that means five years of no-shows due to injury, we need to start saying no to that kind of contract.
United are the laughingstock for handing out contracts where we pay players great wages for years and years while he watches his teammates on the telly.
Yup got injured Wednesday morning apparently and is out for another month
Unfortunately that is the mistakes made by the previous regimes. INEOS are having to clean up their mess and it will take some time.
Shaw has never been able to stay fit after that leg break in 2015, it's 2025 why is he still on the team. I agree that he could've been a legend at United if that injury doesn't happen, but he's never looked the same.
Confirmed?
Just rumours so far, right?
He’s apparently due back in training on Monday.
That would be the day that I’d tell him he can just sit around and wait for his contract to expire.
Utter waste of time doing anything else with him
He should've retired from international football years ago. They would've prolonged his career.
I've thought for a while that it would solve a lot of issues if the club just massively bumped up appearance bonuses while lowering the basic rate, then if a player is constantly injured or constantly under performs we'd have less trouble shifting them on.
Even if his injury was caused because Utd asked him to carry out an activity with a far far far higher risk of injury than virtually any other job? I’m not even sure that would be legal, it’s certainly not ethical. Try applying this to another, non high profile job, and seeing if your attitude works. Because I guarantee you that’s how the players will see it. Would you reduce the salary of a fireman who was injured in a large amount of accidents at work? Clearly not, I’d hope. You will think that the above is a poor comparison, however, from the perspective of the law, and of the players themselves, it is the same.
How many players retire from international football aged 28?
He made a mockery of the club by declaring himself for Southgate. Time to get rid and let him be injured elsewhere.
Did Beckham and Rooney make a mockery of the club too? Both rushed back for England duty, risking further injury.
People seem to work under the assumption Shaw played 90 minutes every match for England as well
Yeah exactly, he missed more than half the matches because he wasn’t fit.
Needs to be sold. Love the lad and he is a quality LB but there is no point having a player who cannot be relied upon. Hopefully he can pick his career up again elsewhere but he needs to go. We need to stop being sentimental about players and we need to stop working on hope. If a player can't stay fit, move them on. If a player hasn't shown he is up to snuff after 2 seasons, move them on.
It's better this way but mad that it's a different injury to the one that's kept him out.
With Jones it was at least one particular injury(his knee) that caused the majority of his absence. That can happen to a footballer when a joint is fundamentally knackered.
With Shaw he seems to have an incredible ability to be injured in a multitude of ways. Very rarely do you seem him come off in games injured either. Always seems to be during training.
With Jones it was at least one particular injury(his knee) that caused the majority of his absence. That can happen to a footballer when a joint is fundamentally knackered.
With Shaw he seems to have an incredible ability to be injured in a multitude of ways. Very rarely do you seem him come off in games injured either. Always seems to be during training.
Would be interesting to know if there is currently another player at any other professional club anywhere in world football that has been under contract for more than ten years for that team and played fewer games than Shaw. Not including goalkeepers.
Go back a few years and there definitely was one…..
He also played for us.
Phil Jones
Who is the worst casualty, shaw has supposedly missed 6/7 seasons of football?
Slight difference between picking up a foot injury a few weeks before and trying to recover in time for a tournament than being out injured for your club for almost 12 months. But being willing to go play in an international tournament in the middle of that.
There is nothing ridiculous about that at all. Plenty of contracts have performance related bonuses.
Micah Richards has talked openly about his salary being halved automatically when he got relegated. United players' salaries dropped when they fell out of the Champions League.
Any well run business in the PSR era should have most of its players on performance related incentives. "Well run" is the key phrase and it's why United don't seem to do much of it.
Whoever signed off on Phil Jones' last contract should have been fired immediately. A new long term contract with no incentive to play for a player with his record was grossly negligent.
Shaw wasn't nearly as obvious a mistake but he's been a disaster.
Sadly, but his career should have ended here couple of years ago.
Don’t bring nuance into this!
It did
That’s all a bit captain hindsight though, don’t you think? He played in mid Feb 2024, tried to be back for Utd for the end of the season, didn’t make it- also missed the group stage for England, but played some of the knockouts. Then picked up an injury back in training for Utd, that people seem to be trying to link to his England exertions with absolutely no evidence. He probably started preseason fitter if anything, but the guy is just injury prone. I’m sure he didn’t choose to be like that. You’re looking at the whole of the past year with the hindsight of someone who has lived through it.
These are unrelated though. Performance related bonuses are just that- a potential addition to your guaranteed basic salary. What the previous poster is saying is that even that ‘guaranteed basic’ should be under threat, even if the player has his leg snapped in two by an opposition player, whilst playing in a game that Utd have ordered him to play in, despite knowing the risks. I’ll say again, there’s a reason that that never ever happens.
Still don't think he will be back next week. Amorim said in the presser he didn't want to put a timeline on a return.
Back in team training, wasn't it?
Was he told that playing in the Euro would keep him out for the next seven months or anything like that?
I'm just amazed at people begrudging him for making an effort to play in a big tournament when he was finally able to.
It was obvious before he went that a) he wouldn't be fit to play properly and b) that he'd struggle to stay fit after rushing himself to be ready for the Euros.
He shouldn't have been picked for the Euros and he should have had enough common sense to realise that it was a bad move to rush his fitness and maybe let someone else go who could actually play.
But then again, when you see a grown man paid millions a year to play football, on a video miming along to stupid songs about people on benefits, common sense probably doesn't exist there.