[Remember the geese]

we should look to loan Chillwell for 6 months

No. No. No. No. No.

NO.

 

[RDCR07]

Is he out for the year? The season?

 

[Plant0x84]

Its not ike he is going anywhere.

Who’s Ike? Can he play LB?

 

[RedDevil@84]

Is he out for the year? The season?

No. Only once in every 4 weeks for about 4 weeks.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Who’s Ike? Can he play LB?

No. He had bigger plans.

 

[Ichabod Ferguson]

I really do think the majority of players would have done the same.

The fact is we have known he couldn't be relied upon for multiple years and yet still left ourselves in the position of relying on him.

Ten hag also managed him poorly contributing to his injury issues worsening

Yeah I'm not really sure that's worthy of the attention it got. It's on Southgate to not select him, and he played fine in the final. Let's be honest, representing your country in a major final is something very few England players have experienced, so it's understandable why he did it.

The one hope I have for Shaw is his injuries have never been as bad as they have under ten Hag when even players like Maguire who was immaculate before started to get muscle injuries. if Amorim has some sense of how to actually do his job properly perhaps we will see Shaw back.

 

[ForFuchsSake]

Love Shaw when he’s full fit and at his best but that seldom happens now. Need a top quality, reliable left back next summer.

 

[Stadjer]

Its not ike he is going anywhere.

But a new manager might...

 

[NicolaSacco]

Weird how he always gets fit for England. The sooner he is gone the better

He made his England debut a year before Harry Kane. Kane now has 101 caps, whilst Shaw has 34. He’s clearly a crock, but stop making out that he’s somehow prioritising England over Utd.

 

[Gordon S]

Love Shaw when he’s full fit and at his best but that seldom happens now. Need a top quality, reliable left back next summer.

Would not mind one in January already

 

[Vidooq]

One of the player's best qualities is availability. Thank you for the memories, but it's time to say goodbye.

 

[soapythecat]

The potential of Amorin deploying a back 3 and wing backs means Shaw and Malacia won’t really be needed, which is good as they are pretty useless when it comes to being available. Hopefully they will both push for a move now.

 

[Matt851]

The potential of Amorin deploying a back 3 and wing backs means Shaw and Malacia won’t really be needed, which is good as they are pretty useless when it comes to being available. Hopefully they will both push for a move now.

How do you figure that? I think the big issue with us playing a back 3 is the paucity of wing back options. Shaw would be by far our best left wing back option and for my money is a better left centre back than martinez

 

[RedDevil@84]

Hopefully they will both push for a move now.

One can dream I guess.

 

[soapythecat]

How do you figure that? I think the big issue with us playing a back 3 is the paucity of wing back options. Shaw would be by far our best left wing back option and for my money is a better left centre back than martinez

I suggested won’t really be needed as we have plenty of CBs and players who can potentially play in the wing back role. Maybe both Shaw and Malacia could be good WBs but given they aren’t fit why bother? Focus on players who want to be available.

 

[kouroux]

The most frustrating thing about him is that when he is fit, he is really good but the rarety of it isn't enough to put up with it.
We should give him his money and wish him well.

 

[Matt851]

I suggested won’t really be needed as we have plenty of CBs and players who can potentially play in the wing back role. Maybe both Shaw and Malacia could be good WBs but given they aren’t fit why bother? Focus on players who want to be available.

I really don't think we have good options at left wing back in particular. Our forwards are poor defensively and our other full backs aren't good enough going forward. A fit Shaw would easily be our best option but as you say he is never fit so I think we would have to sign someone to make the system work

 

[Lyng]

He made his England debut a year before Harry Kane. Kane now has 101 caps, whilst Shaw has 34. He’s clearly a crock, but stop making out that he’s somehow prioritising England over Utd.

Yeah he is usually not fit for the friendlies but somehow always for the big tournaments.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

If he’s still here next season, I’ll start to have concerns about INEOS.

One strength other clubs’ boards seem to have is knowing when it’s time to move a player on. For some reason, we tend to hold onto players, almost as if we owe them something—but the reality is, there’s no room for sentiment in football.

 

[MiceOnMeth]

The most frustrating thing about him is that when he is fit, he is really good but the rarety of it isn't enough to put up with it.
We should give him his money and wish him well.

He could have been an all time great premier league left back if the leg break didn't happen

 

[RedDevil@84]

If he’s still here next season, I’ll start to have concerns about INEOS.

How can he be sold when he is injured and is on 150k pw? The buying clubs aren't that dumb.

 

[MiceOnMeth]

If he’s still here next season, I’ll start to have concerns about INEOS.

One strength other clubs’ boards seem to have is knowing when it’s time to move a player on. For some reason, we tend to hold onto players, almost as if we owe them something—but the reality is, there’s no room for sentiment in football.

Even Fergie was a bit guilty of that towards the end. Anderson for example never would survived 90s Fergie

 

[RedDevil@84]

He could have been an all time great premier league left back if the leg break didn't happen

Another myth. He was absent for over 120 days in 2014/15 season. Even after the leg break, he had all kinds of injuries, groin, face, ankle. He is just a crock.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

How can he be sold when he is injured and is on 150k pw? The buying clubs aren't that dumb.

It seems illogical that we offered him a new contract in 2021, especially considering his history of injuries. That may have been the perfect opportunity to part ways, or at least consider it shortly after. As I’ve mentioned before, our club has consistently struggled with effectively managing player transitions and moving on those who aren’t contributing as they should. It’s a frustrating pattern that we need to address.

 

[RedDevil@84]

It seems illogical that we offered him a new contract in 2021, especially considering his history of injuries. That may have been the perfect opportunity to part ways, or at least consider it shortly after. As I’ve mentioned before, our club has consistently struggled with effectively managing player transitions and moving on those who aren’t contributing as they should. It’s a frustrating pattern that we need to address.

After his aberration of a season in 2022/23, we gave him a new 4 year contract. That was the perfect time to get rid with his stock at an all time high.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Even Fergie was a bit guilty of that towards the end. Anderson for example never would survived 90s Fergie

I understand you’re using Anderson as an example, but it’s important to note that he was never a guaranteed starter; he was more of a squad player. Shaw, on the other hand, is integral to our playing style and consistently features in the starting XI. The unfortunate reality is that he is rarely fit to play. To compound matters, Malacia’s lengthy absence has severely impacted our left flank, making it even more challenging for us to maintain balance in our attack and defense.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

It's just not going to work for Shaw here. PL is too high of a level for the injuries he's had and I don't think he is ever going to be fully fit again and I think he needs to look at his long term health. Trying to get back from injuries isn't easy. Your body is not invincible.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

After his aberration of a season in 2022/23, we gave him a new 4 year contract. That was the perfect time to get rid with his stock at an all time high.

While people may have raised concerns, ultimately, it’s the club’s responsibility to make these difficult decisions. Leadership means having the courage to take calculated risks, even when they are met with scepticism. Let's hope INEOS are better in that regard.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

While people may have raised concerns, ultimately, it’s the club’s responsibility to make these difficult decisions. Leadership means having the courage to take calculated risks, even when they are met with scepticism. Let's hope INEOS are better in that regard.

Agreed. I would never blame a player for accepting a contract with a huge amount of money. Let alone a second time which is what the club did with Shaw. That blame is on the club, not the player.

 

[AndySmith1990]

He'll go the same way as Phil Jones and end up being released after barely making an appearance in years

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Almost permanently injured. Needs to be moved on but with his injury record and the money he's surely on, not sure who would be willing to come in for him.

 

[Bwuk]

He'll go the same way as Phil Jones and end up being released after barely making an appearance in years

Yep. Contract till 2027.

2 and a half seasons left. Does he get 50 appearances in all comps for us in that time? Doubt it.

 

[TheGame]

 

[Vernon Philander]

Yep. Contract till 2027.

2 and a half seasons left. Does he get 50 appearances in all comps for us in that time? Doubt it.

Criminal level of negotiating by us. Unbelievable. We knew this guy was a crock years ago

 

[lex talionis]

Without any knowledge of his recovery schedule we might as well write him off for this season, let him do whatever rehab he needs to do regain fitness for next season and bring back Alvaro. Anas’s waits in the wings but he’s likely too young to play a meaningful role for the first team for another two seasons.

Can the club legally, or I suppose even ethically, bar Shaw from playing for the national team again? Apologies if that’s a ridiculous question.

 

[Bwuk]

Without any knowledge of his recovery schedule we might as well write him off for this season, let him do whatever rehab he needs to do regain fitness for next season and bring back Alvaro. Anas’s waits in the wings but he’s likely too young to play a meaningful role for the first team for another two seasons.

Can the club legally, or I suppose even ethically, bar Shaw from playing for the national team again? Apologies if that’s a ridiculous question.

I think we'd be able to stop him yes, although I'm not sure it's a good look. You often see teams refuse to release players.

 

[DanNistelrooy]

After his aberration of a season in 2022/23, we gave him a new 4 year contract. That was the perfect time to get rid with his stock at an all time high.

Easy to say in hindsight. Had we sold him at the end of that season where we was the best LB in the league and was also outstanding at CB when required - there would have been an uproar.

 

[mctrials23]

Players that are injury prone should have contracts that reflect that. Even ignoring that, no top team holds onto players this injury prone because you cannot have a squad that functions like this. You can't have a first choice LB that is available 1/3 to 1/2 of the time simply because you either have a hit in quality for the rest of the time or you have a better player who is fit who plays there and keeps them out of the team 100% of the time.

They aren't even useful as backup for that player either because the likelihood Shaw will be fit for the periods your main LB is injured is small.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Easy to say in hindsight. Had we sold him at the end of that season where we was the best LB in the league and was also outstanding at CB when required - there would have been an uproar.

I agree. But the purpose of the decision makers at the club is to look at his time with us for the past years and take a decision if the previous season peak was the norm or an aberration.
Fans can be emotional and can flip their opinions every 6 months, but one would expect the club decision makers to do better than that.

 

[Sandikan]

Fotmob has him out until end of November now.
This is one severe muscular problem! Like worst hamstring pull ever.

Though the mind boggles what Malacia is going through. 15 or so months out and not even a whisper of timelines