He is trying to beat Phil Jones' injury records here
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I said we should have got rid of him after the Euros, he's nearly always injured.
Incredible that we didn't sign a LB to fill the position, especially when our second LB is also always injured.
Incredible that we didn't sign a LB to fill the position, especially when our second LB is also always injured.
In fairness Malacia has just had one long injury layoff, I don't think anyone could have predicted it at the time. Shaw's been injured for long periods over and over again. He's only started 1 game since February, that was the Euros final.
Definitely did need at least 1 left back in, but looking at this stage like it's 2 left backs, one starter and a backup.
Shaw is done, he needs to go. Malacia has been out for almost 18 months at this stage. He is going to need moving on too.
No one will buy him. Even if by some miracle they did his wages are too high. Were stuck with him until his contract expires.
I wouldn't be surprised if he took pain injections for the Euros only to feck himself up even more for us.
Is he the new Phil Jones?
I think he's fine and is being punished for not putting his employer first. Just my opinion.
how many years left on his contract? is there a database somewhere that has the years of contracts remaining for the players? this is simply atrocious as regards to his unavailability.
There is nothing new about him or his injuries. His last decade here has been quite crock-ing
Where is he?
He is slowly getting forgotten. No point regurgitating what everyone says but I will. He's great when fit but that's no good two months of the year.
Mark my words. He'll be back when we're in a good run of form.
We need him back ASAP. Dalot is good (as a back up for Maza) but he is not a left back and Amass is not yet ready
Should be the first player out of the door in the summer even if we get 5m for him, followed by Mount.
Nobody wants to buy The Crock Bros who are on 150k and 250k pw,
Even if we only gert 15-20 games a season out of him, Shaw is worth keeping, he makes a massive difference when he plays.
Let's not forget that his recent injury issues were not helped by him been rushed back by us, and Southgate been stupid and taking him to the Euros, which is not his fault.
So 400k - 500k per game. Good for him!!
ha yes, because it was just recently he has had injury issues.
Hopefully this happens. He's so damn good when he's fit. Maz and and an in-form Shaw is a cheat code.
Not sure many of our players have been value for money in the last few years, so it's a bit odd to level this at Shaw.
Someone like West Ham will.
Shaw(k) tuah.
When fit he’s probably best left back in the league.
Just can’t stay fit.
The latest bout is maybe not his fault as he was rushed back by Southgate, but if he can’t play 30+ games this season then we have to get a viable alternative
Just can’t stay fit.
The latest bout is maybe not his fault as he was rushed back by Southgate, but if he can’t play 30+ games this season then we have to get a viable alternative
I don’t think so hey. It means you’d need a backup to be as good as to him, basically, otherwise the drop off in quality for over half a season is something you’d need to deal with. That’s not how you built a stable/consistent team, capable of challenging IMO. And I’m someone who likes shaw/believes in his quality. But he’s just too unreliable.
Yes, but nothing like he's had in the year or so.
He wants him below 85 kg, right?!
I believe he is out with injury again but it is weird that he was out for most of last season, magically turns up fit for the Euros and now is out again with a long term injury. What is this time?
That is one nonsensical line of argument.
Where do you find a back up as good as Shaw? He is so far above any other player we are likely to sign to replace him that he is worth perservering even if just to show us what we are missing when he is out injured.
How?
I am just saying that Shaw has been better value for money than most of the players we have signed in recent years.
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So we are using the 220 days injured in 23/24 > 190 days injured in 2017/18 > 131 days in 2014/15 argument?
I don't know this arguement, but it seems a poor one.
That's what you are getting at. By saying "nothing like this before" you are suggesting that Shaw being injured for 220 days in 23/24 as some sort of anamoly. When the fact is its on par with Shaw's career at United in the past 10 years. He has been a regular hospital case in the past decade. Some 20 days or 30 days more or less doesn't really matter.
Other players being worse than Shaw, when available, is not really a brownie point for Shaw. No one questions Shaw's abilities, but player availability is key to any team's plans. You can be the best player in your position, but if the team cannot rely on you to be available, then it makes it moot.
That’s the point - no one being at or close to Shaw’s level would be willing to play second fiddle to “when shaw is fit”. So it’s difficult to build a consistent and winning team when your supposed top players are only available for half the season, if that.
I struggle with this, more so are there are so many other reasons why aren't building a 'consistent and winning team' just now.
Shaw is about as good as we've got when he plays, and we'd be idiots to get rid for an inferior player just because he might play more games.
Yep, there are loads of reasons - I never said otherwise. We can agree to disagree on this anyway. I’m actually quite a big Shaw fan but his unavailability is becoming a massive liability to the team.
The man is unbelievable. When he wasn't playing the first game of this season I thought ETH was playing it safe with him but if he's back after October internationals that's already like 3 months out. The feck he's done to himself during the summer to be out this long already?
Surely we should be moving him on next summer? Makes no sense keeping him when he's fit to play like 20 games a season.
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