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2017-18 Performances

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I really want shaw to do well - but I personally didn't feel during his good period that he was all that great. I hope he can improve and do well here.
 
Kostov said:
I trust Jose's judgement and most often agree with what he's doing. But that won't stop me from criticizing him if I deem he made a bad decision. I really don't care what he planned on doing, and nothing stops him playing 3 at the back, until now he hasn't tried it.
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Think we are going to have to agree to disagree on shaw. I do hope he proves me wrong but he is running out of time, the injuries if anything would highlight the need to get rid- you can't trust someone who is always in the medical room.

Either way, RE Jose and planning. I think it's clear he wanted to bring in another attacking player (perisic) in the summer but couldn't because of budgets / value, which only highlights that he is taking a phased approach to squad building.

LB, RW will get addresses next year in my opinion but we are a lot stronger now than since Fergie left. That is for sure.
 
Kostov said:
There is a difference between rating/having an opinion about a player and supporting him. I don't rate Lingard and Darmian because i've seen them countless of times showing that they are not of the required quality. But i will always support a United player and want him to do well, for the sake of the team if nothing else. Especially a young lad like Shaw, who I rate as a very good talent.


I do not think that Shaw at present time and form is good enough, he has been unlucky. You don't get your leg snapped in two pieces because you've been lucky. He had another one since April and didn't have a proper pre-season. If i look at his appearance as you say, i can see he is a bulky lad, and this discussion has been done to death and won't get into it again. But i've seen Shaw last night and he is much faster and stronger than Darmian or Blind for example. That sprint for example where he went through on goal was a good example, Blind or Darman would have never done that. So unless you are his dietitian or his girlfriend, I think physically he can hold his own.
The likes of Darmian and Blind will never be of the required quality to be first choice, that's why I think Shaw's talent is worth pursuing. He CAN be a first choice LB, because he has shown undoubted talent.



If Jose did want a LB he should have bough one and be done with it, not go and spend 40m on a CB that needs time adapting while we have a talent like Tuanzebe playing u-23 football. No excuses really, full-backs are essential in todays game, and we have Young as the first choice LB in the club currently. I'm not having a go at Young, I like his commitment but we need better.

Don't hold your breath on that one. Smalling should be kept until the end of the season. We are yet to see how Rojo recovers from a very serious injury and Lindelof will need time to adapt if he eventually does, that is.
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30m.
 
mad1max954 said:
Think we are going to have to agree to disagree on shaw. I do hope he proves me wrong but he is running out of time, the injuries if anything would highlight the need to get rid- you can't trust someone who is always in the medical room.

Either way, RE Jose and planning. I think it's clear he wanted to bring in another attacking player (perisic) in the summer but couldn't because of budgets / value, which only highlights that he is taking a phased approach to squad building.

LB, RW will get addresses next year in my opinion but we are a lot stronger now than since Fergie left. That is for sure.
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I agree completely, injuries or whatever other reason it may be, this should be his final chance after which we must reassess the LB issue. On the Jose and planning, as i said i'm satisfied how fast he recognized weaknesses in the team and brought new players. Because of that i trust him to do the right choice, not buying a new LB in the summer was mainly because of Shaw in my opinion. We''ll find out soon enough either way.
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30m.
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Sorry my bad, the point stands though.
 
The difficulty for Shaw is that he needs to play to have any hope of finding some form, but I can't see him making the match day 18 again until we play Swansea in the next round.
 
I say buy a top quality left back and strengthen the team in January. Keep Luke at the club and give him a chance with the new player starting and Luke competing for a starting role. I was against signing Luke Shaw from the start but now that he's here there's no point selling him because his resale is almost zero until he shows some form. So keep him as a squad player to a new quality left back and then sell him in the future if he doesn't eventually cut it.
 
That run and touch for the disallowed goal shows all you need to know about his ability.

It's the other stuff.

Sigh, hope he gets chances and the encouragement to just play his game with no ifs and buts.
 
I've been a huge fan of Shaw, but I can't get over how chubby he looks; I don't think it's going to work here for him, just a vibe I get.

For me, Kieran Tierney is the one to replace him; the kid is quality and has a certain aura of 'proper' footballer about him. Can see him adjusting the the demands of elite football easily.
 
Love his offensive run at the disallowed goal.
Noticing the centre forward is dropping back and immediatly starts the run into the gap. This is the offensive contribution I want to see from our left back.

 
I'd say we should off any judgment on how he's doing until at the earliest end of December. It'll take him time to come back to anything like his best considering the leg break and then the lack of games and injuries last season as well as him missing the pre-season.

Young was coming back from a stronger starting point than Shaw so easier for him. Can't remember what injuries both had...Ah. Young had a hamstring injury while Shaw had ligament damage.
 
Prefer to see Demi Mitchell get the mins instead. Don't understand why Shaw merits more chances having been dropped for poor performances against City and Watford last season.
 
kundalini said:
Prefer to see Demi Mitchell get the mins instead. Don't understand why Shaw merits more chances having been dropped for poor performances against City and Watford last season.
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Mourinho could've started Mitchell vs Burton and still brought on Shaw as he'd planned, but he opted for Blind, our only in form and proven LB, in a game we should win easily with our second string. This makes me think he doesn't rate Mitchell as highly as some on here.
 
He's the only specialist lb but he finds himself 4th choice, lacking fitness and unlikely to start a game over next few months unless there is a dead rubber in the champions league.

It's a long way back for him, still think he has potential to be a good player but feel writing is already on wall for him and he won't be here next season. The only plus is the three players ahead of him aren't that good so it offers some hope at least.
 
There's a lot of misremembering going on in this thread about last years performances. People saying he was shit at Watford weren't saying that until Mourinho hammered him.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/luke-shaw-2016-17-performances.419614/page-7#post-19728874

Up until then, (even immediately after the Watford game) people were overall very positive about him. Saying how we've missed that pace and power, how he's shut down attackers with ease. A difficult 45 against Navas and a "mistake" against Watford and suddenly it was the opposite. Saying he'd lost a load of pace and had been rubbish all season.

Quite odd.
 
Steven Seagull said:
There's a lot of misremembering going on in this thread about last years performances. People saying he was shit at Watford weren't saying that until Mourinho hammered him.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/luke-shaw-2016-17-performances.419614/page-7#post-19728874

Up until then, (even immediately after the Watford game) people were overall very positive about him. Saying how we've missed that pace and power, how he's shut down attackers with ease. A difficult 45 against Navas and a "mistake" against Watford and suddenly it was the opposite. Saying he'd lost a load of pace and had been rubbish all season.

Quite odd.
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You could say the same about his impressive spell at the start of the previous season prior to his serious injury. In reality it was far more ordinary performances than exceptional ones. There wasn't a great deal in the PL to get excited about apart from his assist in our defeat at Swansea.
 
Steven Seagull said:
There's a lot of misremembering going on in this thread about last years performances. People saying he was shit at Watford weren't saying that until Mourinho hammered him.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/luke-shaw-2016-17-performances.419614/page-7#post-19728874

Up until then, (even immediately after the Watford game) people were overall very positive about him. Saying how we've missed that pace and power, how he's shut down attackers with ease. A difficult 45 against Navas and a "mistake" against Watford and suddenly it was the opposite. Saying he'd lost a load of pace and had been rubbish all season.

Quite odd.
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Strange comments tbh. I wasn't impressed with him at all at the start of this season and in this Watford we was in a clear fault for their second goal.

I don't even remember anyone who played well in this Watford game.
 
kundalini said:
You could say the same about his impressive spell at the start of the previous season prior to his serious injury. In reality it was far more ordinary performances than exceptional ones. There wasn't a great deal in the PL to get excited about apart from his assist in our defeat at Swansea.
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Can't remotely agree with that unless you're watching the games through the prism of fantasy football.
 
Is Luke Shaw overweight? He looks overweight however people say that he's not overweight but that he's naturally powerfully built, In this day and age with the dietitians and access to gym facilities there is no excuse for a full-time professional to be out of shape especially since he's collecting 120k per week.
 
If he was out of shape and overweight I have a hard time believing Mourinho would give him any time on the pitch at all. It's not as if he's been scared to freeze players out or call somebody out for not working hard enough, Shaw being somebody he's already done this with.

He's a big guy, that's it.
 
poacher said:
Is Luke Shaw overweight? He looks overweight however people say that he's not overweight but that he's naturally powerfully built, In this day and age with the dietitians and access to gym facilities there is no excuse for a full-time professional to be out of shape especially since he's collecting 120k per week.
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Is this still a thing?

Can't believe it.
 
Needs to show us what we all have been wanting to see soon otherwise it is time to sell. He may well have it in him to perform at a high level but we need to actually see it from him, on a consistent basis, this season. We can't go on relying on stop gaps and player who can do a job anymore, if we are aiming to reach that elite level. Make or break year for him.
 
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...the-process-of-returning-to-full-fitness.aspx

Not Starting tomorrow, or featuring.

“He has to work, just that,” said the boss in his pre-match media briefing on Friday. “You saw the game [against Burton], you saw the same as I see. Are you asking me if he plays tomorrow? No, he’s not playing tomorrow. He has to work, he has to improve.

“He hasn’t played for six months. If he doesn’t play for six months, I don’t expect him to arrive on Wednesday and be the Man of the Match and to be running up and down for 45 minutes. It’s just a process, he doesn’t play for a long, long time.
 
The No.10! said:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...the-process-of-returning-to-full-fitness.aspx

Not Starting tomorrow, or featuring.

“He has to work, just that,” said the boss in his pre-match media briefing on Friday. “You saw the game [against Burton], you saw the same as I see. Are you asking me if he plays tomorrow? No, he’s not playing tomorrow. He has to work, he has to improve.

“He hasn’t played for six months. If he doesn’t play for six months, I don’t expect him to arrive on Wednesday and be the Man of the Match and to be running up and down for 45 minutes. It’s just a process, he doesn’t play for a long, long time.
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Probably the right decision, he looks far from ready
 
I expect him to play fringe matches until he gets back to best form. Till then he'll have to work hard in training.
 
K2K said:
The writing has been on the wall for a long time.

We need to sign a left back soon.
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Quite happy with Blind for this season, he brings a quiet assuredness to that side of the pitch. He lacks pace but is rarely exposed due to his intelligence.
 
renatosanches85 said:
Quite happy with Blind for this season, he brings a quiet assuredness to that side of the pitch. He lacks pace but is rarely exposed due to his intelligence.
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Which is all well and good except that's not what we need in 90% of the games we play a season where teams defend with their whole team in defence. Ideally we need a fullback who offers us both an offensive and defensive contribution.
 
Shaw looked a little heavy against Burton, I'd suggest he needs more time to get fit.

I was complaining about him not starting, but seeing how stocky he is I see why he didn't. I am not sure what he does when he's not playing but his physique looks a long way from that of an athelete.
 
renatosanches85 said:
Quite happy with Blind for this season, he brings a quiet assuredness to that side of the pitch. He lacks pace but is rarely exposed due to his intelligence.
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I think his intelligence is over stated as I see him get caught quite a lot and ambling back into position.
 
K2K said:
The writing has been on the wall for a long time.

We need to sign a left back soon.
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Think so too. The Luke Shaw that looked promising at Soton is gone for good. At least at Utd.
 
renatosanches85 said:
He won't get back to his best form at UTD. Won't be here next season.
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That's what I think, too.
He has had over 3 seasons during which time he has had few good games, due to being injured, fat/unfit.
It's a shame because he has the ability, but like P.Jones, I just don't think his body can handle the rigours of football.

Like Owen Hargreaves before him (who actually achieved a lot before succumbing to injury), Shaw is very injury prone and will be what decides his career trajectory.
 
Does anyone recall Jose's comments after the Burton game?
Was he asked to comment on Shaw's performance? I wonder what Mourinho made of his game.
I am on the "Shaw has potential, give him playing time" side, but after Burton, I am not so convinced. Wonder what's in Jose's mind.
 
Pavl3n said:
Does anyone recall Jose's comments after the Burton game?
Was he asked to comment on Shaw's performance? I wonder what Mourinho made of his game.
I am on the "Shaw has potential, give him playing time" side, but after Burton, I am not so convinced. Wonder what's in Jose's mind.
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Said he wasn't particularly good, but it's to be expected due to his long lay-off. Said he might not feature again for a little as he has a lot of work to do to get back up to the required level.
 
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