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- Appearances
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- Clean sheets
- 13
- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Tbh he was never going to be good enough for us attacking-wise anyway. Defensively he was good before he got injured but he has no final delivery and is fairly one-dimensional. We don't need another Valencia.
The ones scribbled out are. The others just have the time so the screenshot was on the day of the message, whether that was today or months ago..or fake.Those messages are dated from May
It was tweeted by someone called @ElliotUnited - he runs @UtdReport, he deleted it. He is followed by Luke Shaw and has been given tickets to games by him in the past.
Hmm don't know, but such pictures are easily photoshopped so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
Those messages are dated from May
They aren't, this is Luke Shaw replying to @UtdReport today after they made an article about him leaving.
Ah yeah I see now. These messages don't really mean anything tbh if they're legit, doesn't change the fact he's probably on his way out.
He said he wants to re join with his former manager Pochettino, is it a come and get me plea? Right now?
I think he's the real deal mate. My brother is a United fan but has an affinity for Celtic and I watch most Celtic games with him. He is excellent for Celtic but more than that he has the right attributes, like drive and motivation and never shirking a tackle. I would really love for us to go get him as I believe he really could make the step up.
Thanks, matches what I've heard. Question is would someone like Jose buy a young player (who looks like he could step up) or jump straight to a more proven player?
No problem. I think he will probably go for the latter, but in all honesty if we are gonna dump Shaw I think we would be better served going for the younger full back, specifically Tierney. He will have plenty of time as he is young to really develop and become a key player, get settled and as we have other players like Darmian, Blind, Young and so on to cover, a younger player would make more sense to me.
"...when I was with Poch it was only up, up, up"
= He probably means...
"...when I am with Jose it is only down, down, down"
= He probably means...
"...when I am with Jose it is only down, down, down"
The Pochettino book thing is much ado about nothing. Most likely wrote it months ago and he was being complimentary to someone he values highly.
If he was allowed a season (maybe two), I'd be all for it.
Also like to get more British players in the team.
You are making excuses for Shaw.
Roy Keane got injured in his prime. He badly injured his knee and was out for over a year (I think it was).
When he returned, he shaved his head and was super fit and lean. The guy was like a machine. And on his first game back, he looked the part.
After he retired I watched an interview. He said that when he returned, he wanted to be faster, leaner, lighter and more powerful. He worked very hard while injured. He shaved his hair off to show that this was a meaner player who meant business. The very moment Keane was fit to play, Fergie started him. No gradually gaining fitness nonsense. Keane was undroppable and had to be played.
Shaw, on the other hand, is clearly overweight (anybody who takes part in sport knows that a guy his size would be out of energy very quickly...just make him run and he'll run out of puff) and doesn't seem too concerned about making himself leaner, faster, meaner or more deadly to play against. For me, Shaw looks like a player who has completely given up.
It's a shame because the LB position was there for him on a plate, but sadly, it is not to be.
Another great example is Antonio Valencia.
He suffered a broken leg too.
Came back fitter, stronger and more determined too. The following season after rhat break he was our player of the year.
Any professional footballer who needs to play a run of games to get fit should raise major red flags. We’ve already gone through this with Rooney, who ended up ready for the scrap heap at barely 30 years old. It helped that he was one of the most insanely talented footballers of his generation but his lack of application away from the pitch ended up being his Achilles heel. Luke Shaw just isn’t good enough for any manager to make the same sort of allowances Rooney was afforded over the years.
What is true for one player, isn't necessarily the same for others. Look how long it took Falcao to get back to his best once he recovered from that knee surgery. I'm not defending Shaw, just saying that how one player recovers from a horrible injury in the best case scenario (he gets back to a good physical and performance level quickly after his return) should never be used as a template. They're all different. It's best for his career that Shaw moves on now. A change of scenery is needed for him.
Strange to see Young (32 years old) coming directly from an injury with similar time period as Shaw last one from last season, directly played against Basel, made an assist and was one of the best players in the same, but hey we must give Shaw ( younger than Ashley Young by 10 years ) thousands of game to restore his fitness!
Looks leaner and more muscular than ever before right now. His body % body fat composition must be amongst the lowest in the PL.
Amazing athlete.
Mourinho's comments were both magnanimous as well as instructive. Given his current form and fitness, and the severe competitiveness of all the competitions we play in, there is no way we can risk starting him for 5 successive games, which he requires to see if he can get back to his top level.
Best thing for Shaw's Manchester United career is to get as high quality a loan deal as possible for Jan-Jun and come back as strong as possible next season.
Of course, maybe he or the club don't foresee a future Manchester United career; if not, then he should just leave as quickly as possible for a career reboot.
Best thing for Shaw's Manchester United career is to get as high quality a loan deal as possible for Jan-Jun and come back as strong as possible next season.
Of course, maybe he or the club don't foresee a future Manchester United career; if not, then he should just leave as quickly as possible for a career reboot.
16, 5 and 11 games in three seasons for United - under 100 competitive games under his belt in his club career. It never started did it.... poor fella. I can see him leaving and resurrect and end up like someone like Ryan Bertrand at the very best.
Its a pity that Luke Shaw was unable to recovery earlier and have a pre-season which would have given him a fighting chance. It doesn't look promising for him. United obviously don't want to lose on their investment and I don't think that he wants to take a step down (club status-wise or salary-wise). The way to get his career on track may be to leave (or injure all the other LBs 
).
).It sounds harsh but I think he'd be better off leaving. Mourinho wants nothing to do with him it seems and he's good enough to succeed somewhere else.
Shaw hasn't got a succession of games to prove anything, tbh.
People on this forum love to write off young players that have shown consistent promise in the past. It was the same exact thing with Januzaj, who anyone with a pair of eyes could see his obvious technical abilities in both the youth team and in his debut season. And yet he was written off because of a) a Van Gaal who sold off half our creative players b) a Dortmund loan where he never played c) A car crash Sunderland team where everyone was bad, managed by Moyes. You see his performances now at Sociedad, and he's been a lot better. He's still trying to find his feet and learn what kind of player he wants to be to make the step up (e.g. a David Silva vs a dribbling winger), but you only need to watch his performances (e.g. youtube highlights) to see how much natural ability he has. It's funny to me really because his performances on that right wing have been better than anything Mata's put out for us this season on the left.
It's very similar with Shaw. He has that ability to drive with the ball that none of our other current 'leftbacks' have. He's very good technically and can pick a pass. The one game he's actually had minutes this season he scored a goal that was incorrectly called offside (making a run from the half way line no less, despite caf experts declaring him clearly overweight). You look at the other top teams - e.g. Madrid and City, and they have top full backs who can drive to the line and provide width. And yet a lot on here are happy to write off Shaw because apparently he doesn't 'try' enough, and are happy instead to play Young/Blind/Darmian, whom even when trying don't really amount to anything. One just had a game where he mishit about 20 crosses, one has a good cross but no pace, and one just doesn't do anything. It reminds me a little of Ronaldo's earlier years where loads thought he should be dropped because he was inconsistent with no end product, which was somewhat true, but he was still given minutes to develop. Young players need that.
It's a shame because our team is crying out for some pace from the full back positions. I like Mourinho but sadly I think this is another case of what he had with KDB/Lukaku/Mata previously at Chelsea - some players he just doesn't warm too due to a perceived lack of effort or whatever. If we're not going to play him then it'll be better for everyone to get rid - for Shaw because he'll imo be a very good left back for another team, and for us so we can actually get someone in for that position that can attack and will actually play.
It's very similar with Shaw. He has that ability to drive with the ball that none of our other current 'leftbacks' have. He's very good technically and can pick a pass. The one game he's actually had minutes this season he scored a goal that was incorrectly called offside (making a run from the half way line no less, despite caf experts declaring him clearly overweight). You look at the other top teams - e.g. Madrid and City, and they have top full backs who can drive to the line and provide width. And yet a lot on here are happy to write off Shaw because apparently he doesn't 'try' enough, and are happy instead to play Young/Blind/Darmian, whom even when trying don't really amount to anything. One just had a game where he mishit about 20 crosses, one has a good cross but no pace, and one just doesn't do anything. It reminds me a little of Ronaldo's earlier years where loads thought he should be dropped because he was inconsistent with no end product, which was somewhat true, but he was still given minutes to develop. Young players need that.
It's a shame because our team is crying out for some pace from the full back positions. I like Mourinho but sadly I think this is another case of what he had with KDB/Lukaku/Mata previously at Chelsea - some players he just doesn't warm too due to a perceived lack of effort or whatever. If we're not going to play him then it'll be better for everyone to get rid - for Shaw because he'll imo be a very good left back for another team, and for us so we can actually get someone in for that position that can attack and will actually play.
Did you understand my post ?
Young who is much older didn't need a succession of games to prove anything. One game in and he proved his worth to the team immediately.
Show your talent when you play. Provide something to the manager to make him give you succession of games. Don't expect to play shite and be selected next game as a starter to restore your fitness ?
Wait a minute - his middle name is Whore?
If Shaw can't claim his place against an adapted 32 y.o. winger, I think we've had enough evidences about his current ability. We could go for another player who can actually play some games.
Swap him for Rose
Moral of the story: Never ever do business with Southampton again
Young's unusual though in being able to get up to match speed quickly. Most players need time.
Not that I'm saying Mourinho is wrong here.
Not that I disagree on him needing time, but to get that "time" you need to show something on the pitch to force the manager to give it to you. Don't expect to play a crap game and manager will start you the next ones to give you time. That's the main problem with Shaw for me.
Moral of the story: Never ever do business with Southampton again
That's true!
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
But does he really deserve to get a succession of games? Don't think so. Young got a chance and took it. Can't say the same for Shaw.
That's true!
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
It's a saying in Texas, I know it's probably in Tennessee too.. fool me once.. shame..on.... you can't get fooled again!
Yeah I agree. Needs time to get fit but doesn't look fit enough to trust. So can't blame Jose.
Maybe give him 20 mins at the end of games.
Which is what i meant. Shaw hasn't got a chance. Sure training tells the coach/manager something about the player, but so does an actual match!
We have to challenge for the league and cups, we aren't a small club that let's young players off the hook to be nice to them. If you show the right level of talent, commitment, motivation then you get a chance.
When Mctominay and Tuanzebe get 90 minutes in the cup, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that anyone in the team will get a game if they give a good account of themselves.
When Mctominay and Tuanzebe get 90 minutes in the cup, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that anyone in the team will get a game if they give a good account of themselves.
Shame, United will probably sell him for a pittance next summer. Mourinho not only doesn't rate him, he has a personal vendetta against him IMO. When Mourinho signed as United manager he said the first things he asked Shaw in his first training session was 'well why didn't you sign for me at Chelsea?'. He didn't say it in a joking way either although Shaw says otherwise.
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