Absolute mental opinions in this thread. Fecking hell.
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Told mourinho he is not in condition to play
Yikes
Yikes
Starting to fear that this guy isn't up to it mentally. The one year injury layoff hasn't helped either, plus you have the reports about him seeing a psychologist to handle the pressure.
What's he playing at. Is this him trying to prove a point? Absolutely braindead thing to do.
Well, everyone could see he was in no shape to play.
Christ I've heard it all....trust me this lad will be gone next summer
I'm having a deja vu of Chelsea's last season here man.
We all are.. Mou is loosing it..
When I saw him, in our last few games, it was obvious there was a weight issue going on.
What the devil does Shaw eat which makes him so heavy, even while undertaking heavy training?
Everyone's been shitting down Shaw's throat in this thread saying he's not been good enough, overweight, fat etc. Shaw says he's not in right condition (we don't even know what that means) and we get this:
Needs to lose a few pounds but should still play
Jose making it public would suggest it's not something he's not happy with. Otherwise he would have just said he was injured or not available.
Much more common than you realise.
Shaw does look much slower these days, I reckon the leg break will prove to be his downfall as he goes off to be a mid-table player.
Could well mean he's injured, I swear that some people enjoy having a panic.
This isn't based on this incident alone. This is based on this season, the fact that he had a one year layoff after a gruesome injury, and the reports about the psychologist. I don't think he is overweight or not good enough, just that mentally he just might not be all there for the moment.
Also you have the tweets from Shaw's brother, showing that he isn't chuffed about the criticism he has received.
Then Jose would have said he was injured.
I agree with him.
Prove what? He's out of shape. For someone who rarely gets beaten 1 v1, he has struggled in the last few weeks with average wingers in Lens and Navas. He can't even run with the ball with confidence at the moment. Which is something he was very good at pre-injury. Yet when he asks to be dropped (or whatever), we have nonsensical posts like this.
"Not in condition" could just as easily mean injured as mentally not ready.
He just came off a terrible injury, and clearly - everything wrong with Shaw lately is mental. Why wouldn't he see a psychologist? Of course physically he has put on a few pounds since he came back, though he looked fine at the start of the season, but it's normal.
Oh c'mon. Jose would have just said he was injured, like any manager would have. He's smart enough to know how his comments would be interpreted. Saying the player specifically told him he was not in a condition to play is very different to the norm.
I don't see him staying here long term under Jose. Gut feeling.
Might be the leg? I prefer to look at this optimistically rather than see that there is a problem.
It could be a mutual decision to sit him out.
It could be a mutual decision to sit him out.
We have no idea, it could be either, you're just going for worst possible scenario.
Shows a lack of confidence and a lack of conviction, at a time when Mourinho has said the squad is missing exactly that. No player with the will to win anything should be voluntarily stepping down from games.
Seeing a psychologist isn't a sign of weakness. I hope you don't have this attitude in your daily life as so many people with mental illnesses, especially men, don't get the help they need because of the stigma against seeing a psychologist / psychiatrist.
Yeah I am starting to think he isn't up to it mentally too. Like, it's not just about this or not returning to top form after injury yet. That takes time, I accept that. But even when he got injured, he like made a whole big deal about who did or didn't come to the hospital, always had little tweets or instagram posts to try and like "disprove" people, etc... Like he just doesn't seem like a resilient guy and is more someone that needs to be carefully treated, only the thing is, he isn't actually good enough to deserve that treatment? Before his injury he was great defensively, but a bit shit going forward. Start of last season he improved on his runs forward a lot, but still was never anything more then decent in that respect. This season he's lost his defensive bit while just looking a bit scared on the pitch a lot of the time. Obviously it's way too soon to write him off and he still has big potential, but I am starting to get the feeling that we'll need a new left back who is a lot more attack minded. Someone like Gaya maybe. Or even Ricardo Rodriguez at Wolfsburg. A more reliable attacking outlet and delivery out wide, because as we see from Valencia, it makes a huge difference to the team.
Not looking good for his future at united now
Could be good to take him out for a while and it was obvious he was carrying weight.
His first season at United was poor (LVG criticising his fitness), he made a better start to the following season before the unfortunate leg break (although, for a club that has seen Irwin and Evra, we shouldn't go too overboard over that short run of performances) and, this season to date, he has looked lost (with the fitness concerns resurfacing). If the manager doesn't fancy him, then I can't say we have seen that much from Shaw to really question Mourinho's judgement.
He did look weird and I though he was playing way too much considering how he just came back from the injury. Thought he would have been eased a bit more than he was. He didnt look right for a few games. Hopefully the international break will see a good rest + where he can train.
TBH id rather he told Jose he wasnt right if that was the case than to play and have a shocker
TBH id rather he told Jose he wasnt right if that was the case than to play and have a shocker
The squad might be lacking in confidence due to the fact we've been average this season and whatever else has gone on in the last 3 years. Shaw isn't in the right place mentally at the moment due to a different situation. Hypothetical situation, but imagine if he played today and had an awful performance? Do we praise him because he played in a poor condition? Or do we go back to slating him? Darmian did his job and that's all that matters to me. Shaw's time will come. Also, there's nothing wrong with any player not wanting to play a game due to not being in the "right condition". People are way too high on players playing through injury, and although Shaw isn't injured, this is no different. Diego Costa was risked in the CL final in 2014 (look how that turned out), Ramsey was pushed straight back into the Arsenal side at the start of this season and he's only recently returned after recovering from a hamstring injury... and there's many more.
@Randall Flagg's reaction is embarrassing - as well as some of the posts that followed his. Just to remind some of you... a man is a male who puts his own judgement ahead of what others might think of him. No context and a lot of revisionism is all I'm seeing here.
If Shaw wasn't comfortable but played and had a shocker, people would be blasting him for that.
Playing at such a high level when in discomfort is very difficult. Not to mention Shaw probably feels a bit of fear because of what happened last season and hence is extra cautious
Playing at such a high level when in discomfort is very difficult. Not to mention Shaw probably feels a bit of fear because of what happened last season and hence is extra cautious
He might be injured.
I started mental training when I was 12 I think (in Tennis). Sports psychology, or more generally how to perform 100% in short periods of time, is beneficial to most professional athletes.
Just the drill of thinking "left, right, left, right" when you run can lead to a decent improvement in performance if you're a runner. I gained 20 seconds on 3000m after learning to think about my breathing.
My point is that seeing a psychologist does not necessarily mean he isn't up for it mentally. Since there are techniques to improve the state of mind for performance that are not obvious to everyone, and needs to be learned. Just as defending 1v1 needs to be learned, very few have the instinctive notion that you need to have an angle.
Of course it doesn't prove the opposite either. You might have the correct conclusion, but the psychologist argument is irrelevant.
Conclusions such as "His time is up here", "Mou dislikes him", "He will leave United" are stupid. Anything can happen between now and next summer. If he gets his head right, gets fit and starts performing up to standards then why on Earth wouldn't he feckin stay?
Is he in the England squad?
He's been a bit poor since his return from injury.
Through not entirely his fault at times,his yet to really have a consistent good run with us in any of his seasons here.
He's been a bit poor since his return from injury.
Through not entirely his fault at times,his yet to really have a consistent good run with us in any of his seasons here.
Nope.
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