Shaw is becoming the new Rafael De Silva.
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Well also have have to question his coaches (as well as him) if he isn't in shape.
To be honest, he has been good for a period of 6-7 games if we sit back and take stock. other than that he hasn't impressed me anymore than Rafael or Fabio. In fact he hasn't hit the heights of Rafael yet.
Agreed. Made this point last year as well, regarding fitness the club has to do better. Still remember Mata and Smalling during an interview at the end of September last season saying they are tired.
I just hope Mourinho takes him under his wing and shows some trust in him. He is not currently playing very well but I still believe he's going to be the best LB in the league in few years time. We cannot afford to lose him. Same with Martial. Those two will dominate the left flank. Let them play, let them make mistakes without crushing their confidence. If they are twats who cannot commit, then it's too bad and there's nothing anyone can do.
And I can't help wondering if JM is acting like the EUSSR with the UK and BREXIT and refusing to treat Shaw with the same respect and patience seeing as Shaw chose OT rather than Chelski when he decided to leave Southampton....Would explain a fair bit about what's going on....
Personally I think Luke Shaw is replaceable. I don't see what he offers anymore than other LB. In fact he has many holes in his game and I don't see him displacing Rose any soon. he is fast. Many FB are fast.
He has always been a stocky guy, I really don't think it's a fitness issue. I believe it's more down to confidence and his leg not being able to cope up. He has also lost some pace.
I see it a bit like with Glen Johnson at Chelsea under Mourinho. His defensive qualities wasn't good enough for Mourinho, and the same could be the case with Shaw.
Hes been in poor form, but no one wants him out.
United hardly ever sell to English clubs. When we do, then something must be up. Just look at Welbeck and how injury ravaged he has been since he left us.
I thought his defensive qualities were meant to be his strength?
Maybe before, but under Mourinho it hasn't been that good and he was beaten numerous of times by Lens against Fenerbahce.
I have a feeling he is still nervous playing after the injury which really is understandable and the dip in form and sub par performances could be explained by this. But I agree José Needs to toughen up the team you cant shy off just because you're not feeling completely up to it, at the end of the day he is a professional footballer.
He still has the occasional pain in his leg, right?
I have a feeling he isnt 100% fit and especially psychologically worries about his injury and form, so that he struggles massively on performing what Jose wants.
I have a feeling he isnt 100% fit and especially psychologically worries about his injury and form, so that he struggles massively on performing what Jose wants.
Imagine if he went up there Fergie to tell him he's not in the condition to play
That just would not happen. Period.
I think Jose is now attempting to reinstall this mentality in our current set of players - when the club needs you, you play.
SAF also mentioned that Ronaldo was one of the hardest workers in training. When all the players had left the training ground, Ronaldo would be training by himself.
When a manager sees this, he will of course give him preference.
It would appear that some of our players have the opposite work ethic to Ronaldo.
Huh ?
If it wasn't for the injury against Villereal, he would have been the legend that Patrice now is....
If it wasn't for the injury against Villereal, he would have been the legend that Patrice now is....
Whilst i agree with Mourinho calling out certain players, i don't think he intends on the supporters castigating them over it. I think he wants to challenge them to step up. Dont go writing off certain players our abusing them on Twitter, let's just see who reacts and learns. Shaw is very talented and we will be better off if he comes out the other side of this a tougher player. Give him and the others the chance to react now.
Imagine if he went up there Fergie to tell him he's not in the condition to play
Don't tell it to anybody else people will not be able to make Mou look bad but SAF (you know the don, the flawless superbeing etc) did the exact same thing with Saha a few years back.
Time for him to step up. Or he can sulk about this.
That's a good point. I remember that now .
Funny since Jose coached two of the best attacking fullbacks of their generation in Marcelo & Maicon.
As I told you mate. Keep it between us. God forbid that some might see a bit of SAF in Jose Mourinho
Having said that I still disagree with Jose's action on this. SAF was untouchable he is not. Mou couldn't survive a player's revolt at Chelsea and he won't survive it at United.
I believe the best course of action would have been to first add competition and see if Shaw/Smalling react to it. If not then, a run on the bench would be followed by them being sold
Are people that dense? well those are legit injuries, waking up and saying I don't want to play that's being a soft ass punk. That's the difference.
I think you miss the point I was making. Maybe you are the dense one? He woke up before Watford and felt he was injured but played anyway, was shite and got hung out to dry by his manager.
So he comes into this game and feels he has an injury, its not a complete surprise he would say he wasn't fit to play.
Now if he doesn't have an injury then fine hes being soft, but if he does have an injury I don't see the issue. Especially since he is coming back from a major injury, that type of thing requires managing.
But they could also defend.
Mountain, meet Molehill AKA the Luke Shaw thread. Jose likes English players, Shaw might be the only English starter we have in 18 months time so I doubt he's planning to just bin him, lets see how Shaw responds.
Luke Shaw is a good defender, though. Sure, he struggled in the League Cup against Navas and against Fenerbache and Lens, but I would put that down to form (perhaps being out of shape/injured and low on confidence). But at his best he's a fantastic defender, imo. When we played City in the league earlier this season, he was one of a few good performers. Completely shut down Sane when he came on.
In this case he'd probably have also got rid of Mata/treat him like shite because he didn't like him at Chelsea, no? Think those two situations are somewhat comparable.
Problem with Shaw is that at the moment he's looking poor, no doubt about it, all this shit with his brother didn't help his case either. IIRC LVG also once said that Shaw's not fit enough and there was all this 'chubby shit' debate at some point. Come to think about it, his best form for us was when the season started, prior to his leg injury. Apart from that there were always questionmarks over him.
Hope he manages to get his shit together but if he's indeed as fragile mentally as it might seem, thinks could be pretty shit for him.
But that's what I mean. Ronaldo didn't let the tough guys around him put him off. You didn't need to coddle him. He got on with it and worked his socks off. You need to be able to do this at United or you won't make it. We can have sympathy for the sensitive souls (like Shaw imo), but unfortunately being sensitive means United is probably not the right environment for you when you're under constant pressure to maintain a very high standard. Just doesn't suit some people.
Not just 'random' comments. Pretty much every United fan on there (at the time I looked) has sided with Mourinho calling for Shaw to be sold. Certainly not getting abuse from opposition fans.
Still waiting on your reply
I'm not sure what the big deal is if the majority support the manager. The framing of that support is the usual toxic social media stuff. Rooney gets the same after a bad game. And it's never just opposition fans, as our Facebook page will tell you.
The grief on here, can't imagine the psychological effect an injury like Shaws last season would have on you, so he has every right to be extra cautious when it comes to injuries.
I don't want Shaw sold. I doubt Jose wants to sell him either.
Just want him to up his game to the levels we all know he can.
He'd be well advised to shut up, even if he thinks he's being wronged.
Defending is comfortably the best part of Shaw's game. He has issues the other end. I'm not basing his defending off of a couple of games this season because that's ludicrous.
Infact, in terms of defensive attributes and composure, a teenage Shaw was one of the best you will ever see.
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