Well, I was just trying to dispel the air of posters pondering whether it is a mental issue. And yes... Ramsey did take some time to get moving. But, the point stands. A young player like Shaw has aeons ahead to turn it around. Short term worry? Sure. But long term he will be fine
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Spot on. He's been mainly crap (first game of the season aside) but it shouldn't be a surprise. Funny the way some spanners on here are trying to blame his struggles on Mourinho.
It could be a mental issue though. Which is what I'm putting it down to. Shaw has never been a good attacking full back, but he's good at bringing the ball forward. Which is something we've not really seen much of this season. Most people underrate the psychological impact of a big injury like the one he had. And who knows... maybe he was running on adrenaline in the first few games of the season. Valencia is someone who came back really strong after he broke his leg, and produced a monstrous second half of the season in 10/11 and then had that amazing 11/12, but I can't think of many players who came back as quick/strong as he did. I definitely agree with you on the last point.
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Why do people seem to think Shaw is the next coming of Alves?
He never looked threatening. His attacking play improved last season against Brugge last season, but Depay looked like Ronaldo that game. He was known more for the defensive side. I don't recall him ever running at players.
Van Gaal had doubts about his shape and attacking play as soon as he arrived. We were linked with Ricardo Rodriguez and people were wondering why.
I think he is a very limited footballer.
I know his appearances in the team have been fairly patchy but I've got to say he has been disappointing, he offers nothing going forward most the time even though when he does go forward he can be effective.
We can all go on about his injury past but he isn't contributing and that indirectly leads to the team underperforming. If he can't play at his best then play someone else at LB.
He's still young and I have high hopes for him, but he is a long way off his best right now. A very long way. He's been very poor all season individually, offering nothing going forward, looking a bit heavy, and defensively he's been a bit suspect. He'll improve of course as he's still getting back to it after the leg break, but right now I wouldn't mind seeing him go on the bench tbh. Blind out there is more reliable I think, plus offers us more going forward.
I like Shaw but has looked a different player this season. Getting beat easily and lack of underlaps. Needs to get fitter.
I've got a lot of time for Shaw, play him and I'm sure he'll get better. We've hardly got better options anyway.
He wasn't that great in his first season especially attacking wise.
There were signs of improvement last season, but half his games were against Brugge. I would have looked amazing against them. It's like the Cleverley and Anderson situation again. Play well for four games and live off that hype.
Shaw needs to improve and fast. Mourinho isn't the type to wait around.
This lad needs to improve and that's the top and bottom of it. He was out for a long time so I'll cut him a bit of slack but his performance today was just unacceptable. He looks overweight and doesn't appear to be fit enough to perform the job we asked of him tonight. It was reflected in the simple areas of his game, he gave the ball away frequently and when he did get into decent areas his delivery was poor.
Needs to step up.
Needs to step up.
Don't think I've ever seen opinion on a player drop so dramatically in the space of a month
He's still coming back from a broken leg. I am more than comfortable giving him some time to get himself right. It's frustrating his form is down at the moment though. Ideally (for me anyway) Blind would be the starting LB but injuries mean that can't happen.
He looks about 2 stone overweight and in worse condition than Rooney.
Totally forgotten about the leg, you right.
You didn't see him last season then .
How many games did he play then?
He looked lively at the start of last season and his speed is impressive but that's about it.
He was our best player last year. It's so sad that his injury set him back... I hope he will be able to improve.
He was excellent last season. Simple as that.
In the 5-6 games he played? Great basis for drawing conclusions.
He looked very promising. But so was Januzaj.
Yup and he was also excellent for Southampton when he was 17/18.
I'm surprised at the stick he is getting. I would've thought if anyone deserves a bit of patience, its a 20 year old kid on the comeback from a double leg break. He showed genuine ability and potential last season, he was on fire before his injury. Keep playing him, and let him play his way back into form. Its not like we have better alternatives anyway.
He made the Premier League team of the year with Southampton.
He seems shot of confidence at the moment.
He was never good going forward. The worry is how his defending, which was his strong suite, seems to have gone down. Think he is not mentally and physically ready after that horrific injury. He'll come good with time.
Unfortunately, this is true. And probalby explains some of the mistakes. We should be patient with him.
Yeah but then you have people in here saying that Rickie fecking Lambert also looked good at Southampton
I think the fact that he looked insanely good at 17/18 and was a PL regular is being completely overlooked in here. I take it a-lot of our fans didn't follow him much during his Southampton days.
Given that Martial, Rashford and Depay are our options for the left and all do largely the same thing and repeatedly cut inside, Shaw's recent form is increasingly becoming a major problem for us. You need your full back to provide a threat outside of your winger, otherwise it is too easy for their full back or wide midfielder to prevent a shot at goal. Shaw right now looks off the place and this is never more apparent than when I'm sitting directly behind him at Old Trafford. So many times Rashford is crying out for an option to motor past him and he's not there. If Jones can play, I'd give serious consideration for getting him in and moving Blind to left back. Our left wingers/forwards need a dynamic full back and Shaw looks out of shape.
We almost have the opposite situation on the opposite flank, where both Valencia and Darmian are getting forward well, but they have no-one to work with. Whoever is nominally on the right, whether that may be Mata, Lingard or fleetingly Mkhi, is too often floating out of position in the centre.
He did but not deservedly so. He was the young English hope so got the votes in a year of no standouts. 0 goals and 0 assists in 35 games doesn't scream out Left Back of the Year.
We almost have the opposite situation on the opposite flank, where both Valencia and Darmian are getting forward well, but they have no-one to work with. Whoever is nominally on the right, whether that may be Mata, Lingard or fleetingly Mkhi, is too often floating out of position in the centre.
He did but not deservedly so. He was the young English hope so got the votes in a year of no standouts. 0 goals and 0 assists in 35 games doesn't scream out Left Back of the Year.
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I thought he was appalling last night. I was excited when we signed him, and thought he was sensational at the start of last season. Remember feeling gutted when he got the injury.
But there are now question marks, and though he needs more time to see if he can get back to his best, it seems there's a long way to go. He defended poorly, couldn't string together simple passes, and offered hardly anything going forward. If anything, I felt he stifled Martial's influence by failing to make the right runs on the overlap.
But there are now question marks, and though he needs more time to see if he can get back to his best, it seems there's a long way to go. He defended poorly, couldn't string together simple passes, and offered hardly anything going forward. If anything, I felt he stifled Martial's influence by failing to make the right runs on the overlap.
I can't quite decide whether he's confused about what he needs to be doing, or whether he's not fit enough to get up and down the flanks.
I agree with you @Parma Dewol.
I agree with you @Parma Dewol.
He has the stocky Anderson body, so I get the feeling this "he looks overweight" nonsense is something that will be repeatedly said about him over the course of his career.
Yup, also he's even more ripped than Anderson. Can't believe we are talking about that
Truly awful last night but he will improve
Needs to show the same determimation he did in getting over that injury
Does look badly out of shape and maybe needs to get his head right
Needs to show the same determimation he did in getting over that injury
Does look badly out of shape and maybe needs to get his head right
Yeah its gone from why wont Mourinho play him to he's awful and needs to improve
I wonder if the two are somehow linked?
Yes I did. He has barely had an assist in all his time here.
Was absolute trash last night.
I'd rather Joe Riley start than watch another performance like that from him. Sadly, I can't imagine Mourinho ever doing something like that. One thing in favour of a big squad, like LVG's, it keeps players on their toes when they know they have competition. Who plays in Shaw's place when we have 3 defenders injured, and 1 just back from injury?
I think that what happened was that (before he got injured last season) he had a few good games. People thought that this was Shaw's "normal" level, which means that he would eventually go on to improve further.
This was logically sound.
Here's where the logic broke down.
After his injury, fans started believing that Shaw was the single reason why we could not dominate games and had he not got injured we'd have won the title (I had a few debates over this last season and could not believe what I was reading).
In some people's heads, Shaw won the Ball on dor, when in reality he was merely a good youth prospect, who had a good run (of 7-odd) games.
Now that he has recovered from injury and is getting games, those same fans are now finding that he isn't actually the best LB on the planet, but is merely a good youth prospect.
Of course, those same fans are very disappointed that he is just "good", not "great" and this is why he is coming under flack.
IMO, after he loses some weight and plays more games, he will improve and still may become one of the best LBs, however, it may be a few years before we see this - LBs don't tend to peak at age 20.
For this reason, I actually think that he is doing "okay"; certainly not bad for a 20 year old, who has played very few games for the last 2 seasons.
Is there any reason why we're not putting him on a strict diet program???? He's obviously not taking care of himself and not eating the correct things. He's as fat as anybody in the crowd. He need to lose like a stone atm. Is he just plain stupid or what the feck is going on here? He's been doing nothing but training for several months but can't lose weight? Ridiculous.
Usually he looks a bit fat because naturally he is very very stocky and built.
But right now he does need to trim down a little bit, but a lot of this might be down to how he is naturally built.
But right now he does need to trim down a little bit, but a lot of this might be down to how he is naturally built.
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