Nope, hasnt played the role which is why I wanted your opinion on whether you think he can do it. He does have a good drive about him, is a good ball winner and tackler, good passer as well which is why I wondered whether he could play box to box.
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Nope, hasnt played the role which is why I wanted your opinion on whether you think he can do it. He does have a good drive about him, is a good ball winner and tackler, good passer as well which is why I wondered whether he could play box to box.
We shouldn't take this archaic approach and I hope we don't. I mean van Persie came out of nowhere, a season before, I dont think anyone thought he'd be available. Also, if what you are saying is true, then our scouts are not doing a good job because it's clear to see that Gustavo is a brilliant player and would enhance our midfield easily.
That last line was a bit daft to be fair
Perhaps not a direct replacement, he doesn't have the passing competency Song possesses, but he can break up play in his own half. Song's direct challenge success rates were very impressive in 2011-12, only Fellaini had greater in the league that year. Once he left they didn't have someone who offered this.
Sarni is talking complete and utter sense, but a football club also has to be flexible. Sometimes you have certain needs, sometimes players unexpectedly come into the market, and you have to make a decision.
I believe we have tracked and considered RvP since his Feyenoord days. Fergie even mentioned somewhere that Wenger was just ready to make his move quicker, so he ended up in Arsenal. RvP for sure didn't "come out of nowhere". On the contrary he was "overscouted" over the years. We knew exactly who was joining us.
You talk like I haven't already done that. You know nothing Jim Sunny.
Probably the last game I saw him play in was the Confederations Cup final and he played well.... as did most of the Brazil team. They all had the wind behind their sails that day, no question.
However, whether he will fit into the style of football that Moyes wants us to play is another thing. I doubt it.
You don't need much scouting to realize that Gustavo is a quality player and can add value to a midfield. Unless you're overflowing with an abundance of riches in the midfield dapartment, not much managers would think long and hard to acquire a player like him.
I think it's pretty clear he thinks his passing isn't good enough to play the role.
Well if Gustavo's passing is not good enough then we should steer well clear of Fellaini. He makes Gustavo look like Xavi.
Then the question is; why were we not scouting Gustavo? When we are in dire need of a CM for a while now?
He wanted to join Arsenal cause Bergkamp was his idol. Think he said that a few years ago as well.
We scouted him throughout his youth team days, went to watch him play as a youngster and he got sent off so we kind of left it alone. We were obviously very aware of his talent for years.
Perhaps its me, but isn't Moyes looking for a playmaker?
Gustavo passing is much better to Fellaini, but Gustavo never played as a box to box. He is a defensive midfielder. Not a bad thing, we can have then a similar midfield (talking about tactics, not necessarily quality) to Bayern and Madrid, with Gustavo playing in Khedira/Martinez position as a DMF and Carrick acting as the main playmaker similar to Alonso/Schweinsteiger.
I haven't seen much of him, but what I have seen wasn't particularly exciting or impressive. Am I missing something with this guy?
Khedira and Martinez played in different positions and had completely different roles in their team's tactics and they are completely different players as well. Khedira is at best a box to box midfielder who isn't really that good defensively.
A midfield of Gustavo and Carrick would be nothing like Alonso and Khedira.
Just a reminder of what a Bayern poster posted about him.
I'd take this opinion over others who have seemed to proclaim him as a mixture between Keane/Vieira and Xavi.
This thread has been a bit amusing so far. I get a feeling that people who haven't seen him properly(I haven't but still been impressive in few matches I've seen him) are overrating his passing ability to have a dig at the club.
I always sell him first if I play a career mode as Bayern on FIFA, so on that basis I hope we don't sign him, since i'll have to sell him from my United career mode squad.
Wow. I've heard some daft comments regarding Fellaini's ability but....
Maybe we did and found out he does not meet the profile or whatever.
It appears he has become a "great" player and very much what we need......... because nothing else is available.... but this is not desperation.... apparently. Combine this with Glaston's failed attempts at being a WUM, makes for very worrying reading.
I blame these football manager games, it has created a plethora of football experts.
I thought it was quite common knowledge that this guy is a really good player? Haha I love it how people always reference Football Manager when young players are talked up. I dont even play that game, no I watch Bundesliga one a regular basis. Are you telling me that you would say 'no' to Gustavo joining? It's not like he will cost astronomically to purchase eitherIt appears he has become a "great" player and very much what we need......... because nothing else is available.... but this is not desperation.... apparently. Combine this with Glaston's failed attempts at being a WUM, makes for very worrying reading.
I blame these football manager games, it has created a plethora of football experts.
There's this myth on here that Fellaini's passing is below average, which is just a lazy opinion due to him looking like a big lump, perpetuated by people who haven't really watched him closely. Same for his technique. While in reality both attributes are at the very least adequate.
It really is quite obvious that a number of people saw him display a good range of passing in that one youtube video and have taken that as unassailable evidence of his quality. It's amusing that people ignore the opinions of other people who have seen a reasonable amount of him just so they can stick to their original opinions.
Or, in other words, the exotic lesser known talent is always more appealing.
It's pretty clear the general opinion in Germany is he's a limited DM. Not the level of Mascherano but not far off either. The caf? We don't want a spoiler like Fellaini, we want this guy with his good passing and ability to play box-to-box.Rafael Honigstein said:
Or, in other words, the exotic lesser known talent is always more appealing.
I wouldn't say no to Gustavo but I am not sure why there's mass hysteria at his non-signing. Now Thiago I could understand but Gustavo? nah
Fellaini is probably a better player than Gustavo to be fair.
I think it's because we need a CM and options are looking to be few and far between. Of course Fabregas, Gundogan, Ozil etc. are the galmour choices but from what's available, Gustavo is an option. I wouldn't mind him in our team personally and I would also be content with Fellaini or Cabaye (if he were £15m or less). I say this because I can't imagine what our midfield would look like if Carrick were to get a lengthy injury.
For the holding midfielder role he's a pretty great option right now looking at the options out there.
Watching him in the confederations cup, he didn't contribute anything to the midfield, Paulinho was running it on his own. Gustavo was basically a third centre back, rarely passed the ball forward and it looked like his team mates didn't rate him either and would trust the CBs on the ball more than him. Now he may well be more confident and better for Bayern but from what I saw of him for Brazil, he was unimpressive. I haven't seen much of him for Bayern to make a fairer judgement.
I'l speak for myself as you've quoted me in your post but I've never said i dont want fellaini and would rather have Gustavo. I believe both would improve our midfield and are players we should be looking into now that we couldnt get the big names. I've been in favor of getting fellaini too in his thread. Simply put, I think our midfield needs improving and if we cant get a fabregas, I'd rather we got a Fellaini/Gustavo than no one at all.
Also, If you'd read my posts carefully, you'd also have seen that I asked balu whether he thought gustavo could play the role rather than ignore his comments to stick to my own notions about him as I've already said that I've not seen enough of him to have a perfect opinion. Bringing out youtube vid and FM comments are pretty childish tbh as people will form opinions of a player and express that even if they've watched a player 10 times rather than 38 games a season. that's the point of a forum. You cant expect everyone to read what german journalists have said about him on the net or search the forum for german experts and read their opinions. I only know Balu and Spiersy as the german posters on here anyways.
Not for a CM in a top team they're not.
Why would you think that? You think supporters of the club are looking for excuses to put down the club they support?
When you read posts that Fellaini makes Gustavo like Xavi, then you start thinking like that.
Fellaini is much superior to Gustavo. I'm delighted we've set our targets far higher than signing him.
Different type of players. Gustavo seems to be a proper holding midfielder whereas fellaini is more all action and box to box.
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