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Luis Suarez
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He is not the tallest player so I think if Fergie goes for him then Berba might stay as we need at least 1 striker with height up front. But if we get an offer for Berba I think Fergie will look to bring in another taller striker with Suarez playing in the left wing. But Milner and a striker seems more likely than Suarez but he would be nice to give us more of a goal threat than Valencia on the wings!
He looks a bit freaky on his wiki photo! - Luis Alberto Suárez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He looks a bit freaky on his wiki photo! - Luis Alberto Suárez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At what point has Berbatov's height ever really made much of a difference?
Exactly my question.. Berbatov's height is a useless asset as the fecker has apparently forgotten (since his Spurs days) how to head the ball onto the target..
Besides I don't see why we need to sign a tall player if we sell Berba.. We have all seen the improvement Rooney has made this season.. Javier is said to be a decent header of the ball as is Diouf though his misses seem to indicate otherwise.. Also I think Welbeck, Owen and Macheda are all decent in the air..
SSN: Jol has just DENIED ever saying those quotes.
Jol has just said in an interview that Suarez doesn't want to leave but he didn't rule out a transfer.
Jol has just said in an interview that Suarez doesn't want to leave but he didn't rule out a transfer.
It's strange because usually when Berbatov is on the pitch, VDS usually tries to punt his way.
Berbatov's height also helps in defending set pieces.
Maybe the question is more narrow in that how has his height helped him in scoring headed goals - it hasn't. But, height makes a big difference. Remember Neville heading Adebayor between the shoulder blades this past weekend? Having a fairly tallish CF has it's advantages, doesn't always have to be just about scoring opportunities.
Lost in translation
That goal reminded me of Rooney's against Croatia...
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Well thats that then.
Must be the day for come and get me pleas, I'd prefer Higuain anyway so let him dream of Barca, he's good but I doubt he'll ever end up there.
He isn't good enough for Barcelona and won't be good enough for a while so we can still grab him now and sell him for £80m to them when he's ready like we did with a certain Portuguese.
He'd be perfect; could play in a front two or as a wide player in our 433, has the pace we're lacking and is a real poacher. Still don't see it happening though.
No quotes whatsoever, bullshit
They'd probably want £30m or so instead of the £15m he's actually worth.
I'm not entirly convinced regarding this. He is definitly no Rooney in terms of pace. Probably something like Tevez or Berbatov. But like Tevez - and opposite from Berbatov - he looks faster than he actually is. That is my impression anyway.
Was there not a dutch guy in here earlier? I bet put some lights, but from what I have seen which is mostly Eurogoals and Youtube and a couple of matches on tv. I am not sure he can match Rooney's top speed, ut he is close to Rooney in terms of pace and clearly faster than both Tevez and Berbatov. But what Suarez got in a larger extent than Rooney is flair. I've seen a couple of his goals where he literary just disappear on the defenders and the ball ends in the net, his acceleration seems impressive.
He is a fast player though, no doubt about that. We could need more fast players as evra is stating.
He is a fast player though, no doubt about that. We could need more fast players as evra is stating.
I haven't watched much of him either. Even though I am well aware of the caf's disapproval on passing judgement on a players you've seen in a handful of games and some youtube clips, I will stick my neck out and say that I believe this guy is the dog's dangly bits. I got the same feeling from watching him as I did when I saw Ruud for the first time. That raw killer composure that money can't buy. I'm not saying he's the same as Ruud, he's clearly very different, but he's got that something special. Trumps Tevez any day.
Suarez and Forlan 
Granted, I have only watched him about 10 times this season, but he certainly hasn't looked particularly fast to me.
Backtracking slightly I'm not saying he's Valenciaesque but he is what you'd label a direct player; he very rarely holds up the ball or stops the play and I maintain that running with the ball he's a fast player. In addition something I didn't mention was that he is one of the main free kick takers at Ajax and scores alot of goals from outside the box (something that baring Gibson we're completely lacking nowadays).
I too have only seen a bit of him, reminds me of Van Persie. He has only recently signed a new contract so wont be cheap
The name "Kezman" comes to mind.
He is miles superior to Kezman.
Not to mention a completely different kind of player, I think he was just commenting that there is precedent for players looking like like world beaters in Holland and then being incredibly underwhelming in a "good" league (see Afonso Alves).
To hell with Alves. Even Hunterlaar has never proven as bad as Kezman or Alves. Suarez has Huntelaar's finishing, Tevez's work rate, Forlan's 2 footedness, Ruud's hold up & link up ability and the abilty to function on a wing ala Nani or Robinho. Anyone watching him can't seriously think of Kezman when they see him play. This fella will either long term be up there with men like Tevez or Much higher up than that. He has enormous potential.
Totally agree, as I've said I think he'd be a perfect signing, although if it's one or the other I'd rather we signed a creative central midfielder.
Indeed. For me we'd do best with a prolific striker who can operate wide and a creative midfielder who can dictate play.
Holy crap, we're signing Pele.
Get a grip, Chief. He may be a very good player, but having seen him play quite a few times, I'd say you're really hyping him up. He would do well for us if he settles but he is still very raw.
Everytime I've watched Ajax he's look just about ok...
Anything more then 10 million is too much as far as I'm concerned.
The goal ratio in Holland doesn't impress me...not because his goals are of a low quality, but because defending is a foreign concept over there.
Anything more then 10 million is too much as far as I'm concerned.
The goal ratio in Holland doesn't impress me...not because his goals are of a low quality, but because defending is a foreign concept over there.
You first. None of what I described gets him anywhere near Pele
I haven't hyped him up at all tbf. I've just described his playing attributes in easily understandable terms. To show why he is easily better than a Kezmann. In the right hands I have no doubt he will prove a very good player even at a higher level than the one he is playing in now. The potential is obviously there. Even though being in Holland he is clearly still raw.
How do you know if Suarez is a "van Nistelrooy" or a "Kezman". Truth is, you can't, you have to base everything on a educated guess, the advantage Suarez will have above Kezman, is that I bet that Kezman was not picked up my Mourinho, he seems to perfer physical strong forwards such as Drogba, Eto'o (whom you see has been given a winger role at Inter) Milito, McCarthy at Porto and so forth, and Zlatan Ibrahimovic has his best season to date under Mourinho's reign. The advantage at Manchester United is that we are above all else when it comes to develop players further, and the decider will be Ferguson, whom are also the man deciding the tactics.
I don't care if you play in Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Scandinavia or Holland, scoring 49 goals, in 48 appearances in all tournaments is an exceptional achievement, doing it as a 23 year old is even more impressive. Statistically, it is fair to call him van Nistelrooy's equal. In fact, in all tournaments; van Nistelrooy has never achieved scoring more goals than he played, he has done it in league context though. I am not saying that he will be as good as van Nistelrooy was if he was to join us. But he is fast, not necessarily a guy whom will be our fastest player, but he is not slow, there are very few defenders that will outrun him should he get a great trough ball. He is a sharpshooter - a exceptionally good shot. He would be a great signing regardless if he cost £20 or £30m
Suarez - Rooney will be one of the best pairs in Europe if we sign him.
I don't care if you play in Germany, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Scandinavia or Holland, scoring 49 goals, in 48 appearances in all tournaments is an exceptional achievement, doing it as a 23 year old is even more impressive. Statistically, it is fair to call him van Nistelrooy's equal. In fact, in all tournaments; van Nistelrooy has never achieved scoring more goals than he played, he has done it in league context though. I am not saying that he will be as good as van Nistelrooy was if he was to join us. But he is fast, not necessarily a guy whom will be our fastest player, but he is not slow, there are very few defenders that will outrun him should he get a great trough ball. He is a sharpshooter - a exceptionally good shot. He would be a great signing regardless if he cost £20 or £30m
Suarez - Rooney will be one of the best pairs in Europe if we sign him.
I'm sorry but nobody who's actually seen him play could be underwhelmed by him; Suarez sticks out like a sore thumb, not just in terms of the league he's playing in but also in the team itself.
What is a low quality goal? A goal is a goal? van Nistelrooy scored more than anyone but he had to score a lot of low quality goals to didn't he?
Can't see how its true neither. After what I see, Suarez is a sharpshooter, great shots, great freekicks (we need that too), if you look at youtube clips, you will find a lot of beautiful goals.
Maybe you didn't understand my point. I'm saying I don't underrate him because of the goals he has scored, but rather the opposition he has faced. I know he's scored some nice goals. But lets face it...half the teams in the dutch league are a shade worse then championship sides. So, the 35 goals a season needs to be put in context.
I don't think he's a bad player. But I'm not convinced he's a world beater either...and the 30 - 35 million quoted for him is ridiculous. Even half that might be a stretch.
I see the point. The problem is that that assumption is the truth everywhere. The worst teams in the Premier League are far better than the worst of the La Liga or Serie A too. Look at Kanoute, Forlan and Rossi, examples of players that struggled in the Premier League, but all has been great in La Liga. From a historical context signing big from Italy has been risky business, Chelsea has tried it a lot of times and usually signed flops.
From a historical context I bet Dutch and French players has a bigger sucsessrate of the ones from Spain or Italy when they are introduced to the Premier League. I think players from Holland and France know they are heading into a higher level, while the ones from La Liga and Italy thinks they are playing in equal leagues - therefor they come in with the wrong mentality. Everyone who gets into the Premier League needs to step up at once they get here. Stam and van Nistelrooy both came from Holland for a lot of money and both has done great. It said that Manchester United has scouted Suarez six times. Ajax is probably the best player developer in the world - that alone is worth something.
I hope it's true we are eying him.
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