Television Lost: The Final Season

I think one also has to ask the alternate question: if all the strange anomalies in Lost were explained, would we be satisfied with them? I doubt it, much the same way the alien conspiracy on the X-Files was regarded as being underwhelming for most viewers when explained in full detail by the cigarette-smoking man. It takes away the allure the show is based on, and all you have are half-witted explanations conjured up by over-paid writers the week before the show aired.

I see Lost as a new form of story telling, in much the same manner as You Tube or social networking sites have revolutionized the way we use interactive mediums. In some sense, we have become the story teller, where we have the ability to fill in the plot holes with our own ideas. I see it being done right now on this thread in fact!

I thoroughly enjoyed Lost, especially season 3's "Enter 77" (Sayid-centered story line and introduction of Mikhail) and "Par Avion" (right after Enter 77, where the rescue group discover the security perimeter). Amazing episodes.
 
I think one also has to ask the alternate question: if all the strange anomalies in Lost were explained, would we be satisfied with them? I doubt it, much the same way the alien conspiracy on the X-Files was regarded as being underwhelming for most viewers when explained in full detail by the cigarette-smoking man. It takes away the allure the show is based on, and all you have are half-witted explanations conjured up by over-paid writers the week before the show aired.

I see Lost as a new form of story telling, in much the same manner as You Tube or social networking sites have revolutionized the way we use interactive mediums. In some sense, we have become the story teller, where we have the ability to fill in the plot holes with our own ideas. I see it being done right now on this thread in fact!

I thoroughly enjoyed Lost, especially season 3's "Enter 77" (Sayid-centered story line and introduction of Mikhail) and "Par Avion" (right after Enter 77, where the rescue group discover the security perimeter). Amazing episodes.

That's the weakest defence of Lost's glaring plotholes yet. If the future of television is to not bother explaining anything so that we can "answer the questions ourselves, how we want to" then what's the point? I might as well imagine the whole thing.
 
That's the weakest defence of Lost's glaring plotholes yet. If the future of television is to not bother explaining anything so that we can "answer the questions ourselves, how we want to" then what's the point? I might as well imagine the whole thing.

I think you're on to something. Imagine the money we could generate if we pitch this idea to NBC.:cool:
 
I think it was there to show this probably happend before, in egyptian times most likely given that there were even hieroglyphics on the plug, and also to show that not any normal man can survive the exposure to electromagnetic energy
 
This article sums up pretty much exactly what I feel about it now...almost exactly, but probably slightly more venomous since I've already said I liked the finale as a stand alone. Still, I wish I'd written this...

Well, that was a fantastic two-hour epic, completely redeeming the first act of weak, claustrophobic entries that started the season. It was an intelligent, soaring adventure story, rich with excitement, character-development, crowd-pleasing pay-offs, heartbreaking sacrifices, and a final twist that cast the series in a whole new wonderful light. That's why I would be saying if this were a review of "Through the Looking Glass", the season three finale which aired three years ago. Alas, this is not a review of the series-high midpoint, although after last night, I'm of the opinion that Lost only ran for three glorious seasons. Last night's finale was a tragedy......

What did these people die for, in the broad scheme of things? They died because, on the surface, Desmond forgot to push a button, which caused a surge of electromagnetic energy which in turn resulted in a plane crashing on the island in question. Fair enough. Cruel and random, desperately unfair, but appropriately tragic. But when you start telling viewers that there is a larger destiny at work, that those on the island were there for 'a reason', you'd better make sure that said reason justifies the loss of so many lives, as well as the investment of our time. When you have the main characters willingly return to the island after escaping to civilization, you'd best make their reason for returning a pretty compelling one. But why did the passengers and crew of Oceanic 815 perish? Why are Sun, Jin, Sayid, Libby, Michael, Shannon, Boone, and the rest currently buried on the island or on the ocean floor? Well, apparently they all died because Jack had to put a single rock back in its place after Desmond removed it, so that the island, an island which had two inhabitants at the time (Bernard and Rose, I will miss them most of all), would not sink into the sea. That's it, folks. Six years of hell for our heroes, just so one guy could move a rock, making a smoke monster into a man, so that another guy could toss said smoke-monster-man off a cliff and then put the rock back. All of this so the island which was nearly deserted would not crumble into the sea.

But here are the two problems. Even if you believe that said events were worth the fictional sacrifices of so many fictional characters, does anyone really trust Jacob? Because we never really got the idea that hell would rain from the sky if the Man in Black was able to escape from the island (to say nothing of the urine-river 'source', which was introduced just three weeks ago). Jacob kept telling us that Smokey was bad news, and that the world would crumble if Not-Locke was able to board a plane or boat and get off the island, but we really only have his word on that. Apparently he was wrong. Dead wrong. Once Desmond removed the penis from the vagina (which caused mystical climaxing), the inhabitants of the island, even the magical ones like Smokey and Richard, were rendered mortal. So, theoretically, had everyone just left well enough alone, Desmond would have unplugged the metaphorical hole of importance, which then would have destroyed the empty island, but would have rendered Man in Black every bit as human as you or I. Great, so Not-Locke is able to get off the island, but he can only do as much damage as any other common criminal who is smart enough to slip a bomb into a guy's backpack (sorry folks, even Allison could pull that one off). So, all things considered, there was absolutely no reason for Jack to have to put the condom back on or really anyone to have to return to the island once they were rescued the first time around. That in turn negates pretty much all of the storytelling that took place after season four.

OK, fine, you don't care that the world was never in any peril, it still works for you right? OK, but as written, the first five seasons of Lost are basically just a prologue for season six. As I feared, the giant detours that the show took at the climax of season five, both in the overly-metaphysical 'it's all about destiny/supernatural forces of good and evil' mumbo-jumbo as well as the sideways universe, basically gave the writers an excuse to ignore every mystery and/or question that had been brought up prior to the end of season five. Everything that the show told you mattered, the Dharma initiative, the Others, the character arcs of our main characters, all of that was more or less forgotten for the sake of a hastily-told generic 'good vs. evil' struggle. With the final season, the writers basically told you that none of what happened in the first five years really matters, we want you to concentrate on the epic struggle of Jacob vs. his brother. Charles Widmore, hyped as a major antagonist for the entire run, basically existed to give Not-Locke a small piece of exposition before being shot dead by Ben. And how about that compelling end-game for Johnathan Locke? Oh wait... he really has been dead all this time, and in the end he really was a pathetic, delusional vessel who was fated to be arbitrarily murdered in order to scare the other survivors to return to the island for reasons that were left unexplained for nearly two whole seasons. I'm sure glad we invested our time with that major character. In the end, our favorite believer was a glorified red shirt.

So, in the end, Lost ended for me with season three. The three later, abbreviated seasons no longer count. The show didn't need an endless parade of island invaders that arbitrarily tried to kill our heroes. The show certainly didn't need a return trip to the island, which left the cast randomly wandering around the island with no direction or motive for nearly an entire season. The show didn't need the confusing time-traveling, which rendered the actions of the island inhabitants pointless since they could jump through time at any moment of peril or triumph. And the show certainly didn't need a last-minute infusion of old-school religious parables, with newly introduced characters as angel/devil stand-ins in order to give our islanders some manufactured higher purpose which in turn robbed the show of its quasi-plausibility. The show as I know it ends at the end of season three. It ends with Charlie sacrificing himself so that everyone else could get rescued. It ends with Ben defeated and Locke choosing to stay on the island in search of a purpose that would never be revealed. It ends with everyone who choose to leave apparently off the island, but still just as miserable as when they got there in the first place. Thump... Oh well, hopefully 24 will end on a superior note.


He goes on about the sideways stuff that I haven't relayed since it wasn't as close to my feelings as this was...but still fairly close in many thematic respects. You can continue reading it here if you want.

Mendelson's Memos: What they died for? Not much. How the Lost finale negates the series.
 
I love it when people dump on Lost and then turn to torture fest 24 for something better. :)

It's like drinking a Pinot Noir, not liking it and then hoping drinking a Pepsi will satisfy you.
 
I've found the alternate ending that would please a lot more people.
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The guy who made that vid must have only watched season 1 and the finale

"Polar bears, Dharma and the temple people?!?!"

Jesus fecking christ if people genuinely dont know the answers to those then they really should not have botherd watching at all.
 
I'm disappointed by the direction of season 6 if i'm honest. I think they muddled their way through without really understanding where they were headed. Maybe its just fond memmories, but the show was fantastic back in S1-2 and really it was a shadow of itself by the end.

I enjoyed the ending, but I have no desire to watch it again. I'm left with a bitter taste in my mouth :(

At least Vincent got good air time!
 

Thanks Livvie, some great comments on there! :)
Particularly liked this one...

Finale explained OK here it is. When they detonated the bomb we were to think that they changed history and created an alternate timeline. This is not what happened, It just seemed that way. The bomb is what actually caused the need for the hatch to be built. It is a time paradox. The alternate timeline was a kind of purgatory where everyone went to after they died to find each other again (make the connection) and remember their lives before letting go/ moving on together. It was not happening at the same time we were watching the events of season 6, that's just when the creators showed it to us so that we would think it was an alternate timeline instead of what it really was. The beginning of the alt. timeline/ purgatory that we saw at the start of season 6 actually occurs (for Jack anyway) at the end of the season when he dies. This is why when the plane has turbulence and then straitens out instead of crashing, you see Rose tell Jack "You can let go now" (let go meaning letting go of his mortal life to move on) and you see him let go of the armrests and he lets out a big sigh. This represents him dieing and coming into the Purgatory that he created along with the others. They don't realize they are dead until they make the connection with the others that passed. Represented in the show buy the flash that shows them their real life and experiences. Desmond realizes this first and takes it upon himself to enlighten everyone else. This is why when Sun and Jin make the connection in the hospital they are not afraid for their safety when Sawyer comes to protect them. Because they realize that they are dead and nothing can hurt them. (Jack and his father, church scene) Jack: "Are you real?" Christian: "I sure hope so. Yeah I'm real. You're real, everything that's ever happened to you is real. All those people in the church, they're all real too" = Everything that happened on the show was real. The only thing that wasn't real was the alt. timeline/purgatory because they were dead at that point. Jack: They're all, they're all dead?" Christian: "Everyone dies sometime kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you" = Jack dies at the end of the episode. Sayid, Jin and Sun died on the sub. Locke died off the island when Ben killed him. (before Jack) Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Richard and Lapidus left the island and returned to the mainland at the end of the episode and went on with their lives. We don't see their lives after the island, but they lived on until they died and joined the rest in the Purgatory. (after Jack) The same goes for Hurley and Ben who stayed on the island and lived for how ever long they did before dieing and going to purgatory. Hurley protected the island with Ben's help until he found a replacement and died. This is why Hurley says to Ben "you were a great #2" and Ben replies "you were a great #1". We don't know if Desmond died on the island or if Hurley found a way to get him off the island to join Penny and then he died on the mainland. Jack: "Why are they all here now?" Christian: "Well there is no now, here." = This place exist outside of the realm of time. That is why everyone is there, even though they died at different times. Jack: "Where are we dad? Christian: "Well this is a place that you, that you all made together so that you could find one another. The most important part of your life, was the time that you spent with these people. That's why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone Jack. You needed all of them and they needed you." Jack: "For what?" Christian: "To remember...and to let go." Jack: 'Kate, she said we were leaving." Christian: "Not leaving, no. Moving on." Jack: "Where we goin?" Christian: "Let's go find out." They all meet in the church and ascend to wherever it is they believe they go when they die. This is represented by the white light.
 
At the end of season 3, 2nd last episode. There is a black doctor in Jack's flash back.

After Jack saves the woman from the flaming car when he's bout to kil himself.

IF anyone remembers, is that Doc Thierry Henry? The resemblence is uncanny :eek:
 
I just watched S1 EP1 on the way home.

When Jack, Kate and Charlie go to investigate the cockpit of the plane they are chased by Smokey. Once Charlie falls down, Jack runs to save him, then it looks like Smokey leaves them alone and fecks off. Obviously Smokey could not kill a candidate, so maybe the writers had this planned all along? Or is it just coincidence that Smokey leaves Jack alone?

huh?

It was the polar bear chasing them
 
:lol:

But in all seriousness it's exactly like him. And he's a surgeon so using his hands is his speciality...another thing Henry is brilliant at on the pitch! It is indeed him!
 
So why was Alpert never seen in purgatory? I thought there was more significance to that - or does he never die?
 
So why was Alpert never seen in purgatory? I thought there was more significance to that - or does he never die?

He wasn't that closely involved with them really, was he?

He probably died ages ago and met up with his wife. I think the inference is that people die, find their loved ones, and move on, and just because we don't actually see it happen for everyone who was in the series, we can assume that they experienced the same thing as the original Losties.
 
In the season 3 finale something really confused me:

First we are led to think they are showing flashbacks of Jack's life with him being suicidally depressed etc.

He also says in one scene that , "Go call my dad down and see if he's less drunk than me" or something like that. So his dad is alive.

However in the last scene where he and Kate meet, he says he wants to go back (the island?) so it's a flashforward. But if it's set in the future hows his dad alive :confused:

If the answer of this reveals anything then obviously don't say anything but this really confused me. A brilliant finale nonetheless. I heard this episode had got several emmy's?
 
In the season 3 finale something really confused me:

First we are led to think they are showing flashbacks of Jack's life with him being suicidally depressed etc.

He also says in one scene that , "Go call my dad down and see if he's less drunk than me" or something like that. So his dad is alive.

However in the last scene where he and Kate meet, he says he wants to go back (the island?) so it's a flashforward. But if it's set in the future hows his dad alive :confused:

If the answer of this reveals anything then obviously don't say anything but this really confused me. A brilliant finale nonetheless. I heard this episode had got several emmy's?

I think its just to show how messed up Jack is at that point that he uses his Dads death as a way of getting his way...or atleast attempting to and its also another good way of tricking the audience into thinking its a FB not FF.

That or its a huge feck up by the Darlton.
 
Either he was drunk and imagined it or it's a huge mess up. Because just to confuse us they can't bring a guy back from the dead. ( specially since this is not Heroes where dead guys returning is the norm)

So maybe he was drunk, but he din't seem out of his senses at that point...
 
Actually I guess he probably was drunk and hallucinating.

EIther way brilliant episode
 
There will be more Lost. There is more to the story, and we will get to see it! Praise Jacob! Or should we say...Hurley?!

"For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete Lost series, there is a bonus feature," Michael just told our Kevin Pereira of Attack of the Show!, which airs tonight at 7 on E!'s brother network G4. "Which is um, you could call it an epilogue. A lost scene. It's a lot; it's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley (Jorge Garcia) becoming number one and the end of the series."

Michael says this extra footage is not the premise for a spinoff. "It's self-contained. Although, it's a rich period in the show's mythology that ‘s never been explored, so who knows what will come of it."

That said, as I reported earlier, we'll find out what happens to Walt on the DVD as well. And so for the last time ever (sniff!), I think I get to say, Lost spoiler alert! Whatcha wanna bet that during Hurley and Ben's adventures on the island, they run into Walt a few years into the future, when he's oh, 18 and looking just as Malcolm David Kelley looks now?

Oh, genius show, I love you. Why must you make it so hard to let go? Just as we're trying to say good-bye, you dangle this most excellent carrot!

See all you fellow fans in the overnight campout line for the Lost DVD collection.

In the meantime, don't miss my Idiot's Guide to Lost that just posted if you still have questions. It might clear things up!

Read more: Lost Epilogue With Hurley and Ben Revealed! - E! Online

Huzzah ! Its not ever yet.
 
Will Desmond be in it?
 
So heres a question, what the hell were the last few shots about? Was that meant to be meaningful in any way?

I'm referring to the crashed plane scene right at the end. Was that meant to signify the end of lost, or was that a hint that everyone died right at the start?
 
So heres a question, what the hell were the last few shots about? Was that meant to be meaningful in any way?

I'm referring to the crashed plane scene right at the end. Was that meant to signify the end of lost, or was that a hint that everyone died right at the start?

Are you not paying attention! They didn't die at the start.

The island was real.

The FSW was when they were dead.