How did Smokey turn into Smokey? By being sucked into the light??
Television Lost: The Final Season
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How did Smokey turn into Smokey? By being sucked into the light??
Cuse: "So how do we end the show then?"
Lindelof: "How about a giant plug in the island that's stopping it from sinking."
Cuse: "Sounds good, throw in a magical yellow light and i'm sold"
Lindelof: "How about a giant plug in the island that's stopping it from sinking."
Cuse: "Sounds good, throw in a magical yellow light and i'm sold"
Pretty much all we're told yes...though oddly both Jack and Desmond went down into the same light cave only 2 episodes later and nothing happened to them....Desmond is apparently "Special" which is his excuse (and a brilliant one at that)...but Jack just got thrown out. And both managed to actually make it down into the cave for a while before anything happened first rather than just sucked into it instantly...So...erm...yeah.
I have never seen an episode of Lost. Is this a good time to start? Or should I jsut go read the plot on wiki?
It's good, Mehro. It takes place in 1950 and is about a corrupt police officer who is trying to find his way.
I suggest watching seasons 1 and 2.
Maybe Jack could go in the light cave without being sucked in because he was the new Jacob?
"Now you are the same as me".
Maybe...that would sort of explain why it "had to be him"...but not why Jacob didn't do it himself ages ago...or get any number of other potential candidates (like, Richard or something) to do it instead, rather than wait 2,000 od years for a Doctor from 2004 to do it....Basically nothing that happened regarding the Island mythology made any sense or was even really attempted to be explained anything more that cursorily.
Yet oddly, they chose to dedicate the whole last scene to describing in some decent detail what the Flash sideways world was.
This is my problem Mrs. The flashsideways world was nice, but not why I or most people had watched the show for 6 years...and yet they reel off a great explanation for it basically in lieu of having anything to say about the Island at all...because it had become so messed up by then really.
Yet oddly, they chose to dedicate the whole last scene to describing in some decent detail what the Flash sideways world was.
This is my problem Mrs. The flashsideways world was nice, but not why I or most people had watched the show for 6 years...and yet they reel off a great explanation for it basically in lieu of having anything to say about the Island at all...because it had become so messed up by then really.
Yeah I watched the last few episodes and that (along with everything else) didn't make any sense whatsoever. Okay so Desmond is special and yes, brilliant excuse indeed, but Jack wasn't. He should've turned into a smoke monster thing as well. . . and according to Jacob it was a fate worse than death.
I'm basically breaking my own rule, it's a show for idiots with the most idiotic storyline ever. . .why am I even bothering.
But yeah, I'm sure a Christian shepherd a ka Jesus Christ will lead us into heaven. . .
And we should try our own Lost style story in the Gen. . .I bet we could do better.
and Mehro, no. Trust me.
Who are you trying to kid Spoony, you have obviously watched every single episode.
Spoony you are hilairious, even after all the bashing you give Lost, not only did you continue to read and post in the thread throughout Seasons 5 and 6 but you also watch the last few episodes come back and bitch again I watched the last three or four episodes. If anything it was a lot worse than where I left it.
But yeah great show. . .I was in tears when Jack saw the light. It was just so emotional.
You seem a tad annoyed. But we're just being honest.
And you haven't explained 'Just take a step back and enjoy it for what it is'.
Enjoy it for what it is? what is that then? go on Spud. . .
It's magic!
That is the problem though, you have to make too many assumptions. Mother actually tells Jacob not to go there even after making him the protector. But maybe she was lying since that would explain the plot hole with Jack.
Rubbish
But most weren't.
Like Christian Shepherd being off the island more than once - was that Smokie?
No one seems to have an answer for that. Unless I'm missing something then that's the biggest plot hole and proof that they didn't intend for Christian to be Smokie.
I'm not annoyed with Mockney, Crappy etc because they have been following the show like the rest of us, but you? You stopped watching it after what was it, season 3 or 4? That was fair enough but you still felt the need to try and sabotage the season 5 thread, even trying to get it deleted at one point. You then seemed to disapear for a while only to come backa few months ago showing you must still have been reading the threads for all that time in between and then even though you have already told us a million times that you think the show is for idiots you still decide to watch the last few episodes only to amazingly come back and say something completely new...oh wait, nope you still think its a show for idiots.
What is the point? Seriously, you were annoying last year and comical when you came back a few months ago but now you are back to plain old annoying.
Oh and by enjoying it for what is I meant its a tv show, its never going to be perfect.
Jacob, trying to get Jack back.
Not really, Jacob couldn't take the form of others. I think that was just poor thinking on the writers part.
It could have always been Jacks imagination though, seeing as deep down he wanted to go back.
But wasnt there also a big thing at the time about the smoke alarm going off just before we see Christian?
well, I'm free to comment on anything I like. That's how this place works, Spud. That said, I've only made 30 odd posts, if anything I should've posted double that amount. . .but yeah as I said I've watched the few episodes to see how it'd conclude, suffice to say I wasn't surprised at how poor the conclusion was. As for it's never going to perfect, well it shouldn't be a total cop out either.
Yup, which would be seen by most as a hint towards smokey.
I still really liked the finale but it's amazing to see how much discussion it has produced. Mockney seems to be swaying from liking it, to not, then back again, then not again. I can see why people would be annoyed with it but the way I see it is in terms of what we've watched over the past 6 years it wasn't pointless. Jack got Kate, Sawyer and Claire off the island which is pretty much all he cared about, and then he died on the island. That was the ending. The afterlife/church part while intended to be a big reveal, was just intended to give the characters some resolution and give us some hints as to what happened to everyone after Jack died and the Ajira plane left. It had a purpose, and so did the island events. That's how I feel about it anyway.
I still really liked the finale but it's amazing to see how much discussion it has produced. Mockney seems to be swaying from liking it, to not, then back again, then not again. I can see why people would be annoyed with it but the way I see it is in terms of what we've watched over the past 6 years it wasn't pointless. Jack got Kate, Sawyer and Claire off the island which is pretty much all he cared about, and then he died on the island. That was the ending. The afterlife/church part while intended to be a big reveal, was just intended to give the characters some resolution and give us some hints as to what happened to everyone after Jack died and the Ajira plane left. It had a purpose, and so did the island events. That's how I feel about it anyway.
Thing is though Spoons, you never seem to have anything productive to say, your either telling someone to not watch the show or expressing your displeasure towards it.
Well, no, you don't like what I'm saying. That's the bottomline.
I've said similar stuff about 24. . .but 24 fans don't seem to be as gay.
Have you met Elvis?
An island story where dead people kept appearing, covered in ancient temples and an invisible monster. It was a magical Island that is steeped in mythology. Tharawet whom i'm reckoning was Jacob and Flockes fake mum. Then around roman times she gets 2 sons who happen to end up being more like our modern devil and saviour stories we associate with religion now. About the same time as Christianity and Islam come world religions. Now step back from modern Religion being a cop out and think of it as being treated the same as all the old Mythology, our christianity is the same as the greek gods of Olympus etc, all bollocks but mythology non the less. So the piece is then a scifi, fantasy story.
The FS was carrying on this mythology that Jack dies but being the man of science he takes longer than the others to accept his death in the purgatory they created. It never says it's christianity, it never says it's islam, it never says it's sun worship. It says it's a common theme in modern mythology that we call religion.
The island is what the island is. It's Atlantis, the Fountain of Youth, Greek hades, Alysian fields etc. A place were people went, saw strange things and when they returned tried to explain the miraculous events to the people that it gets twisted into Mythology. So in a way it's actually destroying Christianity, Islam, etc by saying you all come from the same place. a place that you didn't fully understand and you've created all this bollocks to explain it and go with it. All it's said was, in the series deus ex machina, there's a life after death, a spiritual world, and on the island the lines are blurred between life and death, yet their was no rules as to who went or what was there other than the ones they made themselves. So treat it the same way as Star Wars it had great stories that took you into another reality where it's religion was as prominent as the Force but never fully explained.
The ending wasn't so much about having it all explained, all the answers that every one wanted, but finishing the story arc of the island that our characters were involved with and saying goodbye to them.
Completely. As an episode I liked it. As the final chapter in Lost, and what that means for Lost the series, I didn't.
The overriding thing people were saying after Across The Sea (ep15) was "lets just wait and see"...and we did, and they did nothing.
That episode WAS the only explanation of the Island, like those of us who hated it thought it would be....So looking back on all the stuff about the Island now, I'm really really pissed off that we got a bunch of complete nonsense as the answer to the most burning question when it all started - What is this place? ...Their answer? - "Who cares, something about light, but we can tell you what this other place we've just introduced you to is?...Isn't that satisfying?"
No.
The character resolutions don't bother me - religious nonsense aside - and I actually quite like the idea of them tying up the whole "what happens in the very end for them all" thing during the series rather than after it....However as a series as a whole goes, and now that I'm over the whole emotional impact of the finale and can look back...I think they did a terrible job of resolving the Island story, to the point where they basically told us "Look, ignore that, it isn't that important...the after life is really what's important, focus on that, isn't it cool and emotional and trippy and shit?...The Island stuff's just stuff"....Which is bullshit to be completely honest. The mystery they answered was one none of us asked...that's a cop out.
They should have resolved the Island stuff in a good, non bullshit way before the finale, which they had plenty of time and opportunity to do, but didn't...instead they brought back Widmore (for nothing), gave him a sidekick (for nothing) made some whole deal about blowing up a plane, then there was a sub, oh and then there was a boat....It was all pointless. Almost everything that happened in the last 3 seasons didn't really have a point or a reason other than making shit happen for happen's sake.
That is incredibly dissapointing....Especially because I watched this show because I thought the writing was so good, and it was about a mysterious Island not about what happens to us when we die. I think all the people who loved it are either forgetting that, or have been blindsided by how cool some of the little bits where. In the end, it was a disapointment....but meh, I suppose it was always going to be. I just didn't think quite like that
i like that idea gambit...but then that isn't implied at all directly, not even winked at..That's just a cool theory you, or someone else has come up with.
Again, it's left completely open so you can decide cool theories like that, but in the end, that isn't what they've said the island is...they've said the island is light and stuff....now look how cool this scene with Charlie and Claire is.
That's a cop out. We deserved a better answer than that. And to many many other things too.
Again, it's left completely open so you can decide cool theories like that, but in the end, that isn't what they've said the island is...they've said the island is light and stuff....now look how cool this scene with Charlie and Claire is.
That's a cop out. We deserved a better answer than that. And to many many other things too.
Yup all the religions, even hinduism was in there. They've never said what the island is other than a link between the living and dead. As for it being implied thats where i've thought it was going for awhile, but anyway look how much chatter it's caused. Another thing. It also allows them to revisit the island to in any future spin offs. In fact to me it's what was implied and was pretty much confirmed by the purgatory bit. The Island had bits of various religions going on there.
They didn't say the island is light and stuff. The island to me is a normal piece of land with a huge base of electromagnetism underneath it that causes anomaly with everything around it. It's not pretty light, the light came from the electromagnetism. Mother only called it light because they weren't civilized enough to know what it was properly art that time.
No, it was definitely light. Light-coloured light. That flowed out of the cave, in a light-like fashion. Then it went out, like someone turned off the light. And then it came back. Light-y.
It was light.
An electro magnetic light then.
Yeah it was light but the light was caused by the electromagnetism. That's like saying my phone only works because of the light the screen produces, it has light shining out of it but it's caused by the workings inside.
The alternate reality was pointless. It served no purpose other than for the writers to distract the audience because they didn't know how to artfully resolve the island storyline. It literally meant nothing for the whole series except a happy ending, and had no relevence to previous seasons.
They might as well have said the light was made by magic. Or Thor. That would have been just as useful. Just saying something is electromagnetism, and then giving it effects and consequences that are completely made up, doesn't make it "science" or any more believable.
It was light.
It wasn't though, it was electromagnetism. A thing that's been in the show for years.
Since when does electromagnetism work that way? And look that way? Like I said, they might as well have called it magic, because that's what it was.
And light.
No it wasn't pointless. The whole show was based on religions and life after death.
I think I experienced Lost in the best possible way
I watched the first two seasons, fecked the rest off until this morning where I watched the final scene
I can just happily tell myself they were in some kind of purgatory, and now they've found redemption. Very nice, very simple, ignores all the poorly (or completely un) explained bollocks inbetween
So I imagine I am now more satisfied with the series than many of the people who sat and watched all the way through
Would have been a hell of a show had they kept that first season pace up, and actually had in mind a place they were aiming towards, knowing why things they were putting in were occurring, and what the grand outlook was at an early stage
I watched the first two seasons, fecked the rest off until this morning where I watched the final scene
I can just happily tell myself they were in some kind of purgatory, and now they've found redemption. Very nice, very simple, ignores all the poorly (or completely un) explained bollocks inbetween
So I imagine I am now more satisfied with the series than many of the people who sat and watched all the way through
Would have been a hell of a show had they kept that first season pace up, and actually had in mind a place they were aiming towards, knowing why things they were putting in were occurring, and what the grand outlook was at an early stage