Television Lost: The Final Season


Although I'm happy enough with the ending, mainly because I enjoyed the character's story and the journey to reach "the end", I do feel that they lost the plot a bit after season 3. It was brilliantly constructed up to then and after that they should have threw out less questions and start answering some of them and probably avoided time travel and came up with a different explanation of Jacob etc and focus more on the others and the war with Widmore.
 
Well yes it whored itself out to a lot of genres including surrealism, which worked both for and against it imo. There is a reason why some genres aren't easily interchangeable and it was always going to be almost impossible to fully integrate them all and keep the show completely coherent, which is why as the show went on I had lower expectations of a 'great reveal' or resolution. However despite this they did a lot of good things on the show and it kept me intrigued to the end, an ending which I liked and made me glad I kept with it for 6 seasons.
 
If the people in the church were the most important people in Jack's life why was Penny there? As far as I remember he never met her did he?
 
Solius said:
Anyone who moans about it being too silly should have stopped watching in the Pilot really, when 48 people survived a major passenger airplane crash with many of those virtually unscathed, then hearing a giant monster smashing down trees in the jungle. Not really sure why people expected realism from then on out.
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There is a huge difference between silly, and "faith and magic light is the answer to everything, now here's the afterlife."

Huge difference

Once again, I liked the finale quite a lot (except for the crass religious crow barring) but Force of Nature's video proves better than I ever could what complete nonsense most of the show was by the end.

There was no concession to the "reason" or "science" side of the Science vs Faith debate...and the finale wasn't the problem, it was the whole of season 6 that they used to answer very very little at all, with Across The Sea being the tipping point where everyone realised they weren't going to. Instead of a good (or good by story telling standards if not logical realistic ones) explanation of the bigger mythos, then the schmaltzy after life...they balked and went purely with non explainable faith of the mythos, then the schmaltzy afterlife..

Magic, Magic, God.

That's beyond silly. There were so many episodes in season 6 that should have been used to answer the shows big questions in a compelling way, then cutting to the big reunion character resolution finale. They failed to do that. Nothing that happened on the island in S6 was really of any interest or importance until right up to the final stretch. Even MIB/Locke was contradicting his own actions by the end (ones that he'd presumably been scheming for years apparently)...silly is one thing, being inconsistent with the silly you've created is another.
 
Mockney said:
There is a huge difference between silly, and "faith and magic light is the answer to everything, now here's the afterlife."

Huge difference

Once again, I liked the finale quite a lot (except for the crass religious crow barring) but Force of Nature's video proves better than I ever could what complete nonsense most of the show was by the end.

There was no concession to the "reason" or "science" side of the Science vs Faith debate...and the finale wasn't the problem, it was the whole of season 6 that they used to answer very very little at all, with Across The Sea being the tipping point where everyone realised they weren't going to. Instead of a good (or good by story telling standards if not logical realistic ones) explanation of the bigger mythos, then the schmaltzy after life...they balked and went purely with non explainable faith of the mythos, then the schmaltzy afterlife..

Magic, Magic, God.

That's beyond silly. There were so many episodes in season 6 that should have been used to answer the shows big questions in a compelling way, then cutting to the big reunion character resolution finale. They failed to do that. Nothing that happened on the island was really of any interest or importance until right up to the final stretch. Even MIB/Locke was contradicting his own actions by the end (ones that he'd presumably been scheming for years)...silly is one thing, being inconsistent with the silly you've created is another.
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It lacked direction(obviously). They shouldn't have mixed sci fi/science with fantasy/magic/religion for starters. But the reason why people are compelled to watch these types of programmes and films is because of the unravelling plot - a deus ex machina in itself, I guess. Most of the time it's a cop out, but when it's done well it can be great viewing. However when they just ask questions to keep people interested without any attempt to answer them. . .that's when it's cheating in my eyes. And I'm not sure if it's anything but futile to deconstruct such an ad hoc storyline. But again, each to their own.
 
That video is nuts, too many questions and one he didn't mention is how did the guy in the asylum hear the numbers and why are they so powerful other than them adding up to 108?
 

:lol: I had forgotten about most of that - and again that reminds me how much I enjoyed the show before this last season.

I had completely forgotten about Christian Shepherd being in LA in the 'we have to go back'-world and on the freighter - surely that's a huge loophole?
 
Grinner said:
If the people in the church were the most important people in Jack's life why was Penny there? As far as I remember he never met her did he?
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he met her on the boat when they got off the island

that being said, it was brief. I think the point is that she was important to Des, and Des was one of Jack's links

or something, for all we know, they could have met regularly off-island
 
Solius said:
The last ever line spoken on the show was "Let's go find out".

Jack's last words were "See you in another life, Brother". Ironically he kind of did.
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Ooh I was wrong here. The last line was actually from Locke. "We've been waiting for you"/
 
Laughing along with the viewers at home

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I spoke to my mate around 8pm and he hated the ending, it's grown on him and now he really likes it.
 
Can't wait to hear how he feels about it come 11 AM tomorrow.
Keep us updated Sol.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
Something that has probably already been noticed but I thought of earlier.

When Jack meets Jacob in the hospital he's trying to get a stuck chocolate bar from a vending machine, Jacob retrieves it and hands it to Jack, the chocolate bar? An Apollo, Apollo being the Roman/Greek god of light. Basically Jacob was handing Jack the light.

Onto the finale we have the same setup with Sawyer trying to get an Apollo from a vending machine, the solution to the problem, pull the plug out and then put it back in, just like the plug on the island.
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Yep, I noticed the pulling the plug comment from Juliet and the similarity to the island plug pulling too! :D
 


Check this out, it's the opening scene of Lost in reverse. Eerily similar to the end
 
I just watched it again....liked it less. Noticed a ton of ridiculous plot holes and deus ex machinas and was less moved and therefore more tuned in.

It was actually far more of a cop out than I'd remembered. They fooled us with emotional reunions...nothing that happened on the Island made any sense at all.

It's gone down to a 7 in my rating. If it wasn't for the final eye shot it'd be a 6.
 
im not sure what to make of it.

nothing makes sense anymore
 
crappycraperson said:
That is the problem for me.

For all their talk of not being able to answer all the big questions in life and universe, they decided to make a definite one in the side of faith. When something like what happens to us when we die is as big a question as our beginning in regards to universe.

Yes, that does bothers me as an atheist. I do not have a problem if they keep something like that open sided where people can draw their own conclusions with regards to faith and science. I do not want them to definitely answer in terms of science only. Infact if they had done that, there would be a major backlash.
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The show from the very beginning pitted the question of Faith vs Science, with Locke being a man of faith, and Jack being a man of science. Ultimately the show had to come down on one side and honestly I don't have a problem that it picked faith as science can't adequately explain everything either...at least by using faith offers latitude as it's a far more subjective concept then science which is bound by rules, theories and fact. That being said, Science did play a major role in the series and a lot of questions dealing with relativity, time and space were rooted in science.

Even if you consider the parralell universe theory... that's something which is possible and there are theories out there (super string theory, m-theory) which postulate that there could be thousands of multiverses and we could all be living different lives in them at the same time. Now, if you buy into that fantastical possibility which is offered to you by science then surely the idea of faith, god, good vs evil isn't too hard to swallow either.

As an atheist myself I think the show struck a good balance between investigating both the science and faith theories. Ultimately it picked faith, but at no point did I feel they were ramming the idea of god down my throat.
I also think they picked Faith because it's easy to understand on a personal level. If they had gone into hardcore physics to explain parallel universes and time travel you'd get just as many people saying that the writers were using hokey science to answer difficult questions. Bottom line is either choice would have had its critics.

That being said for me, even the science vs faith debate there are some similarities. Science points to there being equal and opposite forces at work in the universe. Matter and anti-matter, energy and dark energy, positron and electron. So the MIB and Jacob to me were just that, particles with diametrically opposite purposes which had to co-exist in the same world.
 
Solius said:


Check this out, it's the opening scene of Lost in reverse. Eerily similar to the end
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It was meant to be similar...As soon as Jack got wounded and went towards the bamboo forest I knew that was how the show was going to end. All the elements were in place and in terms of visual poetry it perfect to end just as it had began.

I'm pretty sure most people thought back to that first ep at that moment, and I have to admit, It was a great way to end the show.
 
crappycraperson said:
Non sense.

I love some of David Lynch's movies. There is a method to the madness. Here there was not, at least from S2 onwards. No surprise they dropped the ball after JJ Abrams left.
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Mate, Abrams co-wrote the pilot (part 1 and 2) and that was pretty much all the writing he did for the show. He was important in the genesis phase of the project as his input formed a major part of the island mystery but the implication you make that he was around for season 1 is wrong. He was basically pitched the show and helped write the pilot, after that it was Lindelof and Carlton Cuse who were the head writers.

Abrams wrote one ep in season 3 as well, but he was far too busy doing movies to be considered a main writer for Lost.
 
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