I would guess at atleast 100 - 110 minutes
Television Lost: The Final Season
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I would guess at atleast 100 - 110 minutes
Widmore
was just a smokescreen (if you pardon the pun) all along imho
In London, England, Ben gets out of a taxi and goes into an apartment complex. He walks straight past the lobby and a man says, "Good evening sir, can I help you?" "Oh yes," Ben says. "I'm here to see Mr. and Mrs. Kendrick in room 4E."
"At this hour, sir?"
"They're expecting me. Feel free to call up." Ben is holding the same rod he had before.
"No need. Good night, sir."
In the elevator, Ben pulls out a key to the penthouse. He goes into the suite and finds the bedroom. "Wake up, Charles."
Charles Widmore sits up and turns on the bedside lamp. "I wondered when you were going to show up. I see you've been getting more sun."
"Iraq is lovely this time of year. When did you start sleeping with a bottle of Scotch by the bed?"
"When the nightmares started." He pours himself a glass. "Did you come here to kill me, Benjamin?"
"We both know I can't do that."
"Then why are you here?"
"I'm here, Charles, because you murdered my daughter."
Maybe Widmore isn't actually dead and it was part of Ben's plan to shoot him knowing otherwise Flocke would kill him.
"At this hour, sir?"
"They're expecting me. Feel free to call up." Ben is holding the same rod he had before.
"No need. Good night, sir."
In the elevator, Ben pulls out a key to the penthouse. He goes into the suite and finds the bedroom. "Wake up, Charles."
Charles Widmore sits up and turns on the bedside lamp. "I wondered when you were going to show up. I see you've been getting more sun."
"Iraq is lovely this time of year. When did you start sleeping with a bottle of Scotch by the bed?"
"When the nightmares started." He pours himself a glass. "Did you come here to kill me, Benjamin?"
"We both know I can't do that."
"Then why are you here?"
"I'm here, Charles, because you murdered my daughter."
Maybe Widmore isn't actually dead and it was part of Ben's plan to shoot him knowing otherwise Flocke would kill him.
Nice find, Ivor. Sounds plausible.
This can't kill/hurt eachother stuff really looks like bollocks doesn't it??
Jacob killed MiB. (Or at least he killed his physical form)
Now Ben has killed Widmore. The only thing that could save this is if you are right and it's some snape-esque plot where Ben eventually ends up being the good guy.
Jacob killed MiB. (Or at least he killed his physical form)
Now Ben has killed Widmore. The only thing that could save this is if you are right and it's some snape-esque plot where Ben eventually ends up being the good guy.
or..
The writers just forgot about this/decided it wasn't important/felt it was just a cool line at the time....which seems far more likely. And is part of the problems people are starting to have with it. Which is a shame going into the finale, because weirdly, not that many people felt that way last week.
Any chance Widmore was wearing a bullet proof vest? I thought this in my half awake/half asleep state this morning. 
Agree that they have been making up these lines to build suspense early on in the show when we knew practically nothing. But I think the rule that governed the Others might have been something as simple as - 'You are not allowed to kill each other'.
So when Ben and Widmore were having that conversation, it makes sense. Also, when Keamy kills Alex, Ben says that Widmore has changed the rules. When Juliet kills one of the others she's made to go the Temple and gets branded.
Seems simple when you think about it, but convincing enough. They just put those lines in there earlier in the season to make us feel that it was a lot more important then it really was.
So when Ben and Widmore were having that conversation, it makes sense. Also, when Keamy kills Alex, Ben says that Widmore has changed the rules. When Juliet kills one of the others she's made to go the Temple and gets branded.
Seems simple when you think about it, but convincing enough. They just put those lines in there earlier in the season to make us feel that it was a lot more important then it really was.
jacob didnt kill mib, all he did was knock him unconcious in the river, the current in the stream did the rest of the work.
Widmore, Richard, Sayid's deaths all taken way too lightly. I'm thinking they're al going to be brought back in some form come the end, like they'll be 'part of the force' now. They'll help Jack govern the island. We'll probably see them sitting with a ghostlike glow round them next to the fire, like the end of Star Wars
Yeah, true. But sort of oddly unsatisfying. I read something the other day I thought was a good analogy. Basically the writers (and the fans) want Lost to be seen as a big book, rather than a TV show. But for this analogy to work, Chapters 3 and 4 have to actually have something to do with Chapter 6. At the moment many of the earlier chapters just feel pointless and completely irrelevant to the final chapter.
I think basically our expectations were too high. We really did believe they knew what they were doing at all times and had reasons/explanations for everything that would all make sense and tie together...We were bound to be deflated, it's just a shame it's come so close to the finale. But then again, it's better than it actually being the finale that causes the deflation.
Anyway, I'm gonna shut up about my misgivings now and download season 1 to watch before monday...WoooHoo!
That's like saying somebody shooting someone didn't kill him, the bullet did. He caused his death.
There is no way Richard is dead. Why do people keep thinking this is fact? Locke just wanted him out of the way so he could talk to Ben alone.
feck...That
no its not, a bullet is a tool used to help kill somoeone, a river is not. Now, if jacob threw him in the hole then yeah id agree, but he didnt he just knocked him unconcious
That does not make it all better though. Infact it is the very hallmark of shambollic writing.
Others and Dharma were the main focus for first 3 seasons and both have been handled terribly.
They never explained how they were able to brainwash people they picked up from tailies- Cindy and the children. And do not give me bullshit about they did not the chance to. They had plenty of opportunities especially when Jack and co. were captured by Others.
Remember the food drop?
Generally in S5, I was very disappointed about their portrayal of Dharma folks. 815 survivors found out more about the island in first week or so than they seemed to have in years.
As yanks would say, that would be super lame.
I know. But you just know it's going to happen
Regarding the outrigger scene and them saying they won't answer it...it struck me in the last episode that all they needed to do was have someone, anyone, maybe Widmore's assistant, mention off hand they'd been shot at...or have her stumble in with a bullet in her shoulder...and that's that...Answered. They've been going back and forth in outriggers all season...There are countless moments in every episode where they could very easily answer something very quickly, and well, and they don't.
What was that business with the chair and the person sitting in it had to wear those ultramagnifying glasses and had to watch what was being projected in front of them? I remember it being all loud and flashy. That could be it.
back to moaning again, shut it saddos
Don't forget Frank!
I'd like to see that defense used in court. Had Jacob not done what he did he wouldn't have died. He directly caused his death. Had he pushed him and he fell off a cliff it would be the same. The drop would kill him but it would be caused by the push.
Yeh that's the one.
If it's so simple to exploit the 'Can't kill eachother rule' like that then why didn't MiB just knock Jacob unconscious and drop him in the ocean?
Instead he choose to trigger and manipulate and a series of events for fun maybe?!
Nevermind the fact that The Woman said she made it so they can never hurt eachother, yet Jacob beat the ever loving shit out of him in that very episode.
It really is fecking lazy writing.
I'm glad you reminded me of that, because that also pissed me off.
So here we have a guy seems to have some dedicated himself to some sort of masterplan, to keep the evil from reaching the rest of the world. And then the evil says "oh, by the way, I'll kill your daughter if you don't tell me your plan". And then he tells him his plan.
Just... no.
Just... no.
Yeah, that makes no sense whatsoever.
But there has to be an explanation - this isn't just a case of them forgetting what they said in the past, as they put it in the exact same episode.
Weird.
The writing has fell to pieces...
Well as Mockers pointed out earlier... they also had a scene where young MiB said 'What's death?' then the very next scene they are hunting a pig in the jungle... I mean really what the feck... In all his time on the island he is going to have seen a dead animal at one point.
The whole set-up between Widmore and Ben
Not being able to kill eachother and then him shooting Widmore dead is almost the nail in the coffin for me... It would appear they say certain things for dramatic impact and then don't follow through with them.
Did the thought ever occur to you that maybe they know what death is but they either call it something else or never really thought about what happens to the boars as they see them as just food ?
How about the fact that they are never supposed to have known of the existence of other people but that when they see the people hunting the pig they describe them to their mother as 'men'?
If they believed they were the only people in the world how would they know what an adult man looked like? Let alone how to describe them?
All in all that episode last week and the entire show has become laughable. I'm mortified it's turned out so poorly.
If they believed they were the only people in the world how would they know what an adult man looked like? Let alone how to describe them?
All in all that episode last week and the entire show has become laughable. I'm mortified it's turned out so poorly.
How about we enjoy what's left of a fantastic series and stop moaning about every little detail?
This.
I've been really enjoying this season so far, obviously a couple of things doesn't really go together, but hey - it's been six seasons.. somethings got to give at some point.
Oh my god, its not that hard to grasp. They both know they are male and that mother is female so from this they quickly gather that people who have the same sort of build to themselves will be men....it's really not that hard.
You seem incapable of accepting any criticism of the quality of writing in the last few episodes of Lost.
That would be a good guess but...
Wildmore says in S6 that it was just an experiment by Dharma
Ben puts Karl there as a punishment
Walt was kept there and he did not seem brainwashed much
seriously?...No. That didn't occur to me. And it didn't either a few scenes later when MIB went mental and left the only life he'd ever known because he found out his mother killed his real mother...despite still not knowing really what death was.
That episode was very badly written. Lost has been excellently written for the vast majority of it...but that was a shocking ep writing wise.
What ever happened to Walt? I thought he was to be a major part of the storyline but he has been completely written out of the story
If they wanted to avoid people picking at the details, they shouldn't have buried themselves in them. And those "details" are this show, basically.