Television Lost: The Final Season

I know absolutely nothing about the next episode, except who it features. Just the way I like it.

I expect Adam & Eve to be revealed in this episode. It's probably the best chance they have to show us.
 
My mates coming round after I finish work tomorrow to watch it with me. He better not take too long to get here or I'm going to watch it anyway.
 
Hmmm...

A little too Disney so far.

Dunno why I spoiled that...but people are touchy in this thread
 
Not sure the whole mythical angle is my cup of tea, but it was probably bound to be like this. At least there are some answers, no matter how contrived they seem.
 
Ceks said:
What was the other kid's name?
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We never found out

On the plus side, MIB was damn good in this ep...and I certainly like him more than pussy boi Jake...He was even better than Jacob as a kid. I'm actually rooting for him now. Crazy bitch fecked him over.

I also did like the Adam & Eve answer. Thought that was quite well done, but please feck off with the light nonsense
 
Mockney said:
We never found out

On the plus side, MIB was damn good in this ep...and I certainly like him more than pussy boi Jake...He was even better as a kid. I'm actually rooting for him now. Crazy bitch fecked him over.

I also did like the Adam & Eve answer. Thought that was quite well done, but please feck off with the light nonsense
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Adam and Eve was good. Don't understand how MIB can be dead though, seeing as we see him later on. Oh well.

And yeah, MIB's class. Jacob the fairy turned him into a monster.
 
McLovin said:
Adam and Eve was good. Don't understand how MIB can be dead though, seeing as we see him later on. Oh well.
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well since we know he can take the form of the dead whilst smokey, he probably took his own form...In fact I was surprised we didn't see the scene where he returns to Jacob to explain it-ish. That'll probably be in the finale, ot we'll just have to fill it in ourselves.

Also..We didn't actually get any kind of answer on the loophole, or why he had to kill Jacob, or why he wanted to kill Jacob, or...erm...anything like that?

In fact the more I think about it the more I think the ep was a little light on anything bar some good acting and suspense

It felt like it should've actually been 2 hours long and that was just the first hour
 
Mockney said:
well since we know he can take the form of the dead whilst smokey, he probably took his own form...In fact I was surprised we didn't see the scene where he returns to Jacob to explain it-ish. That'll probably be in the finale, ot we'll just have to fill it in ourselves.

Also..We didn't actually get any kind of answer on the loophole, or why he had to kill Jacob, or why he wanted to kill Jacob, or...erm...anything like that?

In fact the more I think about it the more I think the ep was a little light on anything bar some good acting and suspense

It felt like it should've actually been 2 hours long and that was just the first hour
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Agreed. All that did for me is give me more questions to ask.

I did like the "one day you can start your own game and make up your own rules" line though.
 
I'm having a fair few misgivings with the route this thing is taking mythologically...and even principally.

If MIB is indeed evil and Jacob good, we're basically being told that unquestioned obedience to superstitious weirdness and loyalty to it's over zealous prophets is superior and more worthy/righteous than inquisitiveness, curiosity and the desire to learn.....Which are all apparently corrupt and evil, and things that lead to the "dark side"...basically, be a naive gimp and believe what you're told.

Quite honestly the whole "Heart of the island/The Source/Ferngully dancing Unicorn light cave" really made my heart sink...."what is it?" - "Every man has a part of it in them"...what??...sorry What??...as did the whole implication the Mother and Jacob were the good guys, when to me, they struck me as fecking lunatics...MIB deserves to leave, and should leave. Anything else at this point strikes me as hugely morally dodgy no matter how they excuse it with what's slowly becoming quasi-religious crap.

Sorry, little rant there...I need to watch it again really, but I didn't like what I thought they were implying...which they probably weren't...I should probably go to sleep now
 
So Veetie is safe to download?

I'm always wary when I see the message that it could contain viruses and damage your pc.
 
Mockney said:
I'm having a fair few misgivings with the route this thing is taking mythologically...and even principally.

If MIB is indeed evil and Jacob good, we're basically being told that unquestioned obedience to superstitious weirdness and loyalty to it's over zealous prophets is superior and more worthy/righteous than inquisitiveness, curiosity and the desire to learn.....Which are all apparently corrupt and evil, and things that lead to the "dark side"...basically, be a naive gimp and believe what you're told.

Quite honestly the whole "Heart of the island/The Source/Ferngully dancing Unicorn light cave" really made my heart sink...."what is it?" - "Every man has a part of it in them"...what??...sorry What??...as did the whole implication the Mother and Jacob were the good guys, when to me, they struck me as fecking lunatics...MIB deserves to leave, and should leave. Anything else at this point strikes me as hugely morally dodgy no matter how they excuse it with what's slowly becoming quasi-religious crap.

Sorry, little rant there...I need to watch it again really, but I didn't like what I thought they were implying...which they probably weren't...I should probably go to sleep now
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No, you're right. When the show premiered I wrote a post on Lost.org that was then 'Lost' in an alleged server meltdown following the show's meteoric rise to fame.

Basically it outlined the way it seemed the producers had come up with to extend the show beyond two seasons, which was to turn the Island into a huge MacGuffin over which the forces of good and evil fight.

Trouble is, A) This has been done before. A lot of times. And B) once you do this, you effectively remove the Island from the plot, as you've unwittingly forced your own hand into having the show center around the characters' struggle to cope with - what else - the unexpectedness of life (such a novel concept!), packaged in no-doubt larger-than-life scenarios via whatever time-warp/pseudo-scientific gobbledygook that was to arise. You're going to take a very interesting situation and then turn years' worth of countless man-hours into fundamentally the exact same thing as ER or Law and Order, only the setting isn't a hospital or a courtroom but A Mystical Island. Ooh. What do we do with our power? The same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to decide what to do with our power...

And with the good vs. evil/jockeying-for-power theme, the ending becomes fixed as well, with the glaring outcome being the good ol' tried-and-true "If you can't play nice over me, then no one will get to have me" and the Island being "Lost" to all parties. Can you say coda/epilogue with it being rediscovered? Does a polar bear poop on an ice floe?

The polar bear's the only thing I remember about the show, since I stopped watching sometime during season one.

IIRC one of the show's three original producers left the team because the other two decided they were going to turn the production into a dragged-out morality play for the cash.
 
Personally i thought that was shockingly poor. I actually burst out laughing in realisation that i may well have wasted 6 years of my life when 'mother' first led the boys down to that cave with the 'light'.

Lost, i've decided already, has been a massive disappointment. The first few seasons were brilliantly acted and written but for me it's descended into a laughable mess.
 
I'm doing of not reading spoilers and so far I'm on the fourth season now (day off :p) and for those who are on the final season I have a question.
Can I skip all the flashbacks/flashforwards including Kate without losing an important part of the story ? I gotta be honest cause I think her and Jack are the most annoying and irritating characters I've ever seen on a TV show.My skin crawls each time they open their mouths to say boring and predictable thing or act like fecking heroes.
I figured I cannot skip everything concerning both of them so therefore I just asked the question only for Kate
 
When Jacob throws his twin into the light he says "You want to leave this island ,Brother..?" , I'm thinking that Maybe Desmond will be the new Jacob and Jack will be his twin ....as "Brotha" is Desmonds saying...

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Man Utd Mrs said:
When Jacob throws his twin into the light he says "You want to leave this island ,Brother..?" , I'm thinking that Maybe Desmond will be the new Jacob and Jack will be his twin ....as "Brotha" is Desmonds saying...

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Or it could just be because they are actually brothers :D
 
kouroux said:
I'm doing of not reading spoilers and so far I'm on the fourth season now (day off :p) and for those who are on the final season I have a question.
Can I skip all the flashbacks/flashforwards including Kate without losing an important part of the story ? I gotta be honest cause I think her and Jack are the most annoying and irritating characters I've ever seen on a TV show.My skin crawls each time they open their mouths to say boring and predictable thing or act like fecking heroes.
I figured I cannot skip everything concerning both of them so therefore I just asked the question only for Kate
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I don't remember that well but I think most of Kates stuff is pretty pointless. I agree that they are very annoying though Jack becomes more likeable later in the series with only the occasional hissy fit and other cringeworthy stuff.
 
Mockney said:
I'm having a fair few misgivings with the route this thing is taking mythologically...and even principally.

If MIB is indeed evil and Jacob good, we're basically being told that unquestioned obedience to superstitious weirdness and loyalty to it's over zealous prophets is superior and more worthy/righteous than inquisitiveness, curiosity and the desire to learn.....Which are all apparently corrupt and evil, and things that lead to the "dark side"...basically, be a naive gimp and believe what you're told.

Quite honestly the whole "Heart of the island/The Source/Ferngully dancing Unicorn light cave" really made my heart sink...."what is it?" - "Every man has a part of it in them"...what??...sorry What??...as did the whole implication the Mother and Jacob were the good guys, when to me, they struck me as fecking lunatics...MIB deserves to leave, and should leave. Anything else at this point strikes me as hugely morally dodgy no matter how they excuse it with what's slowly becoming quasi-religious crap.

Sorry, little rant there...I need to watch it again really, but I didn't like what I thought they were implying...which they probably weren't...I should probably go to sleep now
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Agreed

Though I am not sure why you have only just woken up this. The whole "don't ask questions, just sit on the plane and you will flash to the island" talk by Hawking last season was an even bigger farce. They still have not explained why Sun did not flash with others BTW. Though I think they will put it down to her not being a candidate.

The biggest disappointment from the episode

I will take it from another blog since it is perfectly put there-

"One of the biggest disappointments of the episode was the lack of a real explanation of the "rules" that conveniently pop-up here and there. The illogical thing is that although The Woman never really told anything about the Candidates or Rules to Jacob and Anti-Jacob, they've been talking like they are experts on them ever since we met them. Heck, even Ben and Widmore seem to know some of these rules. Did people just pick them up along the way when they found limitations to what they could and couldn't do? Are they written down somewhere? It's a little bit funny that the only rule that we were explicitly told was that Jacob and Anti-Jacob couldn't hurt each other... and yet we saw that Jacob did hurt Anti-Jacob - in fact, he killed him - even though he became Smokey in the process, so technically he is living on "

They did not explain why Locke in smokey form can not leave island? Why did he need to kill Jacob?
 
crappycraperson said:
The biggest disappointment from the episode

I will take it from another blog since it is perfectly put there-

"One of the biggest disappointments of the episode was the lack of a real explanation of the "rules" that conveniently pop-up here and there. The illogical thing is that although The Woman never really told anything about the Candidates or Rules to Jacob and Anti-Jacob, they've been talking like they are experts on them ever since we met them. Heck, even Ben and Widmore seem to know some of these rules. Did people just pick them up along the way when they found limitations to what they could and couldn't do? Are they written down somewhere? It's a little bit funny that the only rule that we were explicitly told was that Jacob and Anti-Jacob couldn't hurt each other... and yet we saw that Jacob did hurt Anti-Jacob - in fact, he killed him - even though he became Smokey in the process, so technically he is living on "

They did not explain why Locke in smokey form can not leave island? Why did he need to kill Jacob?
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Agreed...we found out nothing of the sort. Jacob seems completely lost and out of the loop, which makes all of his later appearances ponderings and decisions recklessly stupid.

In fact I said that in the post above the one you quoted...that we didn't find out why MIB had to kill Jacob, or even wanted to, or what the loophole was, or anything...It was all just completely meh.

The personal story of Jacob and MIB was great, loved that...but all the stuff that was supposed to let us in on what's really been going on all this time was completely shambolic and disasterous....Basically nothing has been going on all this time...Complete loons without any real understanding of normal people have been playing a ruddy great game on instinct.

I'd have also much rather they just kept it as ambiguous as "it was fate" and left it with that than show us something as cringeworthingly ridiculous as "the heart of the island with it's big warm light"

Hopefully we'll all have our misgivings soothed by the finale, but I'm really questioning it.


And I suppose you're right about the previous obedience stuff...but I think I was hoping there would be a decent explanation at some point. Like that blog said, I assumed they knew what they were doing. But now we've found out, they don't. And drinking from a cup makes you leader...or something....meh
 
Also....I think it's a rather popular opinion.

The snap voting for the episode so far puts it well near the bottom of episodes rated by fans....something I really doubt the writers expected. They may well have dropped the ball on this one, and underestimated what the viewers would just accept. I hope not. 2 more to see

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