Television Lost: The Final Season

Completely agree with Mockney.

In other news, I'm several months pregnant. Unfortunately I've just been terrified for my life after being held at gunpoint in a taxi by a vicious criminal. I'm shocked but now fairly safe waiting at the bus stop for a different ride to my destination.

Oh what's that seemingly crazy criminal? You want me to get back into your taxi? Why not!
 
Completely agree with Mockney.

In other news, I'm several months pregnant. Unfortunately I've just been terrified for my life after being held at gunpoint in a taxi by a vicious criminal. I'm shocked but now fairly safe waiting at the bus stop for a different ride to my destination.

Oh what's that seemingly crazy criminal? You want me to get back into your taxi? Why not!

It was just as stupid of Kate to go back for her but I think both can be explained by the fact we can clearly see there is a bond between the losties even in this alternative reality.
 
Im sorry, but thats a complete cop out...and a bit condescending. There was almost no drama in that episode what so ever.

The only drama in this episode was provided by Sawyer, and Josh Holloway in particular who acted his balls off

Kate's flashthing was exactly the same as all her flashthings. She does something stupid and completely unnecessary out of panic, then eventually pulls her shit together and gets soppy, makes her 2nd facial expression (awkward uncomfortable smile) then leaves having really accomplished nothing. Not dramatic in the slightest.

The on island story involved kate doing something stupid and completely unnecessary, then getting all soppy, and leaving, having accomplished nothing. Again, not dramatic, and I'm getting slightly fed up with these all knowing ninja creeping others being so easily outsmarted by Kate, who's inexplicably a great tracker for some reason too, while they aren't, despite living in the fecking jungle.

About 20 minutes of the episode were taken up by Kate, Jack, Sawyer looking at each other purposefully in the same way they've done for 6 years in various different filler episodes when the writers need to fill up time between the various things that have to happen. Do you find that dramatic? Still? Really?

Jacks part followed the exact (and to the letter) structure of most of his other episodes. Gets upset, makes a stand, demands answers, doesn't get them, makes a point, eventually gets half an answer in a vague way right at the very end. Not dramatic, not particularly anyway, and didn't give us any insight into anything about Jack or the funky jap dude. It was just filler between the first scene and the last.

Essentially, Damon & Carlton will have said

"The Others try and poison Sayid, Sawyer runs away, Claire comes back at the end. In the flash, Kate meets Claire who has to keep the baby.... Fill in the rest as you will"

And so they did, with pointless conversations that we've seen 40 millions times before (e.g. Jack tells kate to be careful before she leaves - this takes up 20 seconds of dramatic pauses, music and purposeful looks)..


If you're really sucker enough to buy into the fact that filling up pages with the same dramatic pauses, same bland romantic platitudes (be careful, I trust you, you know exactly what I mean, who do you care about? etc etc) the same almost exact scenes and conversations as in previous eps (almost like they're written to a template) with no actual character development, is "Dramatic" then good for you...But I don't. Just because you liked it doesn't mean you have get all condescending and claim those who didn't don't like drama and only like the silly mythology bits...That isn't true, we just like actual drama, good drama, and not by the book seen in 50 other episodes manufactured drama with no purpose

Just a really dull ep...I've got no problem with them not answering questions and just providing drama, but having a person ask a question, then have the camera zoom in on the face of the person he's asking, whilst eeire music builds up in the background, then not get an answer, then repeating this 3 or 4 times, isn't drama at all....it's stalling.

Sorry for that rant :D
Love it.

Unless you associate drama with trip like One tree hill, there was none in this episode.
 
Completely agree with Mockney.

In other news, I'm several months pregnant. Unfortunately I've just been terrified for my life after being held at gunpoint in a taxi by a vicious criminal. I'm shocked but now fairly safe waiting at the bus stop for a different ride to my destination.

Oh what's that seemingly crazy criminal? You want me to get back into your taxi? Why not!

I'm pretty sure that Kate arranged a meeting with her (probably had her number in the bad or something). Atleast, thats the way I thought the scene was meant to be played out. Still all shit and pointless though.
 
I'm a little worried because 'What Kate Does'
in this episode is basically only to help Claire with the baby which is the reason why she came back to the island in the first place. She even mentions that in the conversation with Sawyer.
So, if all the off-island stories are going to be similar, its going to make for a very tedious season off-island.

Can't North Korea or Pakistan just detonate a nuke in the alternate timeline already.
 
Yeah, I kept saying that but I thought as it made no sense (I know;)) I must be wrong...

Good to see it's not just me...

It does make sense though, there was no island for Ethan to go be a doctor on in this reality so he stayed in LA thus eventualy becoming Claires doctor anyway..just with different motives
 
They should have gone with Charlie instead of Mac...
 
I think people are just dissapointed that with such a small number of episodes left, they're not hitting their stride yet. This episode would've been accepted much more openly in series 2 or 3. That and it was another Kate episode and, as someone already mentioned, they're ALL the same.

It wasn't a great episode though, and while it had a few answers, I feel that's now a 3rd straight episode that's been a set up for what's to come.
 
While we're at it can Kate whip her top off and les out with Claire?
 
In the old Lost forum on Channel 4 whilst everyone was going on about Jate/Slate I made Clate.

That was a good thread.
 
I doubt it's the temple, he basically lived under it beforehand and it seems the only thing stopping him getting into the temple grounds was that trap door the temple others pulled the survivors through.

Looking back in S5, it seems Ben actually did summon the smoke when he pulled that plug thingy in his house. Just in the form of Locke.
 
I doubt it's the temple, he basically lived under it beforehand and it seems the only thing stopping him getting into the temple grounds was that trap door the temple others pulled the survivors through.

Looking back in S5, it seems Ben actually did summon the smoke when he pulled that plug thingy in his house. Just in the form of Locke.

I think that whilst Jacob was still living he could control Smokey and he used it as a security mechanism to protect the island as a whole (as we know from S1/2) now that Jacob is dead he is now free to do whatever he wants and go where ever he wants.

Would also make sense as to why only now that Jacob is dead do the others surround the temple with the ash. Remember smokeies lair is about 1/2 a mile away from the temple itself so he wasnt at the temple previously.
 
Also if the smokey can't leave the island then how did jack see his father in the hospital when the smoke detector went off ?

I'd put that down to the pills Jack was popping at the time, or lack, thereof. Jack was in between pills at the time I think and asked the other doctor to prescribe him his meds in that same scene.
 
I was thinking about the smokey and about what it meant by "i want to go home".

Where is his home ? the temple or outside the island ?

Ive come to the conclusion that he's been trapped on the island for centuries and his home is outside the island because in his conversation with ben he stated that he was the complete opposite of locke because locke was the only one who wanted to stay on the island and not go home. This proves that he wants to leave the island.

No it doesnt.
 
Smokey specifically mentioned that he's the complete opposite of locke! Now...

* Locke wants to stay on the island and destroyed every means of getting off the island and didn't want to go back home.

Which means smokey wants to leave the island since he's the opposite of locke who wanted to stay on the island all his life.
No..

Smokey saying he is the complete opposite of Locke means just one thing - he wants to go home. The quote in no way what so ever confirms he wants to get off the island.

That doesn't mean jacob controls the smokey.

There are two sides..the dark and the light.

When did I say that was the sole reason for my theory? Your in one of those annoying fan boy moods where you have to shoot down every theory that someone else makes because theres no way that anyone else could be right
 
we'll have to wait and see then...hopefully we'll get some insight about his intentions in the next episode.



Jacob controlling the smokey is absurd. The central theme of lost has always been that there are always two sides. Initially it jack vs locke then it was losties vs others, dharma vs hostiles, ben vs widmore and now its jacob vs smokey.

I dont think you understand my theory.

Jacob controlling smokey does not affect the good vs evil theme.

in my theory, Jacob uses Smokey as a safety mech for the island - against Smokeys will - this is what causes the two to fall out and why Smokey is looking for a loophole in order to kill Jacob thus freeing himself. Now he is free he wants to return home and possibly kill a few others along the way for revenge or more than that - perhaps kill everyone on the island.

I dont think its anywhere near as "absurd" as you think.
 
I dont think you understand my theory.

Jacob controlling smokey does not affect the good vs evil theme.

in my theory, Jacob uses Smokey as a safety mech for the island - against Smokeys will - this is what causes the two to fall out and why Smokey is looking for a loophole in order to kill Jacob thus freeing himself. Now he is free he wants to return home and possibly kill a few others along the way for revenge or more than that - perhaps kill everyone on the island.

I dont think its anywhere near as "absurd" as you think.

But if Jacob could control Smokey then he would have stopped it doing alot of things....mainly killing him.
 
I did read that, but I still don't understand what you mean by that.
Smokey needed a loophole in order to kill Jacob, using Lockes body was the loophole hence why when he and Ben enterd the foot statue in the S5 finale Jacob said "I see you found your loophole."
 
Smokey needed a loophole in order to kill Jacob, using Lockes body was the loophole hence why when he and Ben enterd the foot statue in the S5 finale Jacob said "I see you found your loophole."

Yes I understood that. But Smokey went through alot to orchestrate that entire thing. If Jacob had any control over him he would have stopped him at some stage.

Unless Jacob knew exactly what was happening and decided not to stop it.
 
I was thinking about the smokey and about what it meant by "i want to go home".

Where is his home ? the temple or outside the island ?

Ive come to the conclusion that he's been trapped on the island for centuries and his home is outside the island because in his conversation with ben he stated that he was the complete opposite of locke because locke was the only one who wanted to stay on the island and not go home. This proves that he wants to leave the island.

By home I think that was a clear reference to heaven and the fact that both he and Jacob are most likely to be angels of some sort who have been charged with the task of overseeing the island and cannot return till the task resolves itself one way or another.
 
Yes I understood that. But Smokey went through alot to orchestrate that entire thing. If Jacob had any control over him he would have stopped him at some stage.

Unless Jacob knew exactly what was happening and decided not to stop it.

Which is what I think is the case judging by how he just let Ben stab him - and even provoked him to some degree
 
A very good piece on how Smokey could be the on the good side, not Jacob:

Jacob has been on a long con.....and everyone has fell for it.

Reasons why Smokey/MIB are the 'Good' side of the island and Jacob is actually the bad one:

-Last episode as Flocke is sitting in the rocking chair in the foot waiting for Richard but instead Bram and his team come in (Jacobs people) what does Flocke do? He doesnt attempt to kill them, he simply says "Jacob is gone, you can go, your'e free", which is the same line said to Michael on the Kahana.
Instead, Brams team fire on him, its only then, once an attack was initiated on him that he attacks back. Otherwise they could have walked right out of there unhindered.

-The killing of Mr Eko by Smokey. Now smokey was coming to "Claim" Eko as it looked like he had turned a corner, turned away from his old life of murder and corruption and found some faith.....some redemption.
But down on his knees in front of smokey (As Yemi) he said that he DID NOT REPENT his ways, that he did the best with his life and that he "asked NO FORGIVENESS". Eko was a bad guy till the end, so he was taken out.

-Claire isnt "infected" as the Others say she is. Neither is Sayid. Now Smokey has claimed the bodies of Christian shephard and claire, so i think just like we have seen that Claire is quite alive and quite real, so is Christian.
How does Smokey "claim" abody if he cannot reach the temple pool?...well dont forget, the Natives only JUST circled the place with ash when Hurley told them Jacob was dead, so smokey, or any of his claimed bodies, would have been able to access the pool in the pretence of being on Jacobs behalf. We have seen christian use Jacobs name before saying that he is speaking on his behalf, but he only said that because everyone was conned into believing Following what Jacob wants is the correct thing to do.

This obviously means that, the same as Christian and Sayid, claire must have briefly died as we suspected back in season 4 when the mercs attacked the barracks. Miles knew this just like he knew Sayid was dead.
When the time was right MIB came and took Claire from the camp, once she was fully "claimed" as it seems there is a transition period.

-This would account for Flockes "Im very disappointed in all of you" comment, as he expected that some of them would have found redemption by now, would have been at the point where Smokey could have claimed them as total good guys. Theres no faking it from smokey, he can see into your soul.

Although Locke is now this MIB reincarnate, he still retains some essence of Locke, his memories etc, so that why he feels disappointed in all of them, as he knows all of them so well!

-So for all the Locke lovers, this truly does mean that Locke was always special and did have a destiny. Smokey came for him early on, he had looked into the eye of the island and he saw the exact opposite to what Eko saw, he saw something beautiful, why? because he was a good guy, ready to believe in magic, whereas Eko was a murderer and saw every bad thing he'd done in his life.
This explains why Sayid has been claimed by the good side, just before his death he repented, he realised he'd done wrong torturing and murdering and i think he was genuinely sorry.

-Locke was right way back in season 1 when he said the Others were the bad guys .."Their the ones who've attacked us, Their the ones who've kidnapped and murdered us".
Although the Others think they are on the good side and doing this for the right reasons ("We're the Good guys, Michael") they are just acting on the wrong info from Jacob.

-Juliets brand. Now Juliet received that brand in season 3 for killing an Other. But she did it for the right reasons and was a good woman at heart, which is why she was helping the losties. This brand cast her out of the Others society, but it also sort of 'marked her out' for smokey.
Smokey came for her in the banyan tress, but unfortunately he was thwarted by the sonic fence.
Now this mark is very telling anyway, its called the3 'Delphian epsilon' or 'The sun of Vergina' which is linked to purity and the God Apollo.

-I think Widmore may turn out to be a good guy, this is why in Bens reign (who was being deceived remember) he was cast out from the island. He was the one who rescued locke and told him he had to be back on the island and Ben was the one who murdered him.
I think we will see him back on the island for the war thats coming....and as we can see, the sides are now being firmly chosen.
We've been lead to believe, much like smokey, that Widmore is a bad guy...Everythings going to change in the end, what we thought was bad isnt and vice versa.

-Ben. Im not sure about Ben, hes been to the temple pool....He seems like he has been conned as well, but as to whether he finds ultimate redemption in the end?
If he was healed by the pool as opposed to dieing and being saved by Jacob then theres hope for him.


Well thats it guys, thats what im saying, the writers are pulling the long con on us, and Jacob is pulling the long con on (nearly) everybody on the island!