Looks like Tuchel turned us down, not the other way around according to BILD

Pexbo said:
How the feck are you including Slott in this after he’s played a dozen games with zero injuries to contend with and hasn’t yet played anyone in the top half of the table? Bit premature isn’t it?
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Yes it's premature, but Slott by name and slotted in by nature. No signings, no drama, top of the league... granted only 6 games in with a tough run ahead but when we were last top of the league? I genuinely can't remember. So yeah I'd call that a smooth transition.
 
cpresc said:
Yes it's premature, but Slott by name and slotted in by nature. No signings, no drama, top of the league... granted only 6 games in with a tough run ahead but when we were last top of the league? I genuinely can't remember. So yeah I'd call that a smooth transition.
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A smooth transition for the first 2 months and not referencing any of that context is a bit of a stretch when you’re putting him alongside Pep no?
 
dubplate warrior said:
United are several times bigger than Aston Villa. There is no manager in the world who would stay at Villa over United, and Villa are still a big club.
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We’ve also got the Glazers in majority control of the club which is an obstacle for any ambitious coach.
 
The Irish Connection said:
I guess we’re still a massive club, and we make clear that we will extend if he does well?
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Again why would he accept that? He is a top manager, no top manager would accept such an insulting offer
 
Cassidy said:
Why would he accept one
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Cassidy said:
Again why would he accept that? He is a top manager, no top manager would accept such an insulting offer
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Which big club is likely coming in for him within the period of this and next season? If he were confident of his ability to stay beyond 2 years (despite proving otherwise in his previous two big clubs), then he should be fine with it.

He should actually be understanding of a short contract given how PSG, Chelsea and Bayern went.
 
Cassidy said:
Again why would he accept that? He is a top manager, no top manager would accept such an insulting offer
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Football has short memories - the longer he stays out of management, the greater the risk that people will think he's a has-been like Mourinho. No other big club needs him.

We're the only ones in crisis mode in the PL in the top 8 or so.
RM and Barca are fine.
PSG he can't go back.
He's done the tour of Germany and isn't going back to a BvB level club.
Italy might be possible but for who? Motta, Conte, Inzaghi are set. That leaves Roma and Milan and you'd think we're bigger than both.

To me, Tuchel on an interim / a short contract we could get out of (5-7m sack fee) is the most obvious thing we can do right now.
 
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VP89 said:
Which big club is likely coming in for him within the period of this and next season? If he were confident of his ability to stay beyond 2 years (despite proving otherwise in his previous two big clubs), then he should be fine with it.

He should actually be understanding of a short contract given how PSG, Chelsea and Bayern went.
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Name a top manager who accepted such a deal before…
 
Teja said:
Football has short memories - the longer he stays out of management, the greater the risk that people will think he's a has-been like Mourinho. No other big club needs him.

We're the only ones in crisis mode in the PL in the top 8 or so.
RM and Barca are fine.
PSG he can't go back.
He's done the tour of Germany and isn't going back to a BvB level club.
Italy might be possible but for who? Motta, Conte, Inzaghi are set. That leaves Roma and Milan and you'd think we're bigger than both.

To me, Tuchel on an interim / a short contract we could get out of (5-7m sack fee) is the most obvious thing we can do right now.
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If you can name the precedent for when this happened before then fine.
 
VP89 said:
Which big club is likely coming in for him within the period of this and next season? If he were confident of his ability to stay beyond 2 years (despite proving otherwise in his previous two big clubs), then he should be fine with it.

He should actually be understanding of a short contract given how PSG, Chelsea and Bayern went.
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Why would he want to take over a club that's in the middle of its season, and a semi-severe performance crisis as well? No preparation time, immediate need to deliver in a very challenging league with a squad that is questionable to be of top-6 quality, no possibility to change the squad for a few more months... not exactly an attractive proposal. Especially not when you stack a shortterm contract on top of that.

And the other way around, I really don't think that Tuchel is a good fit for United. He craves exactly the comprehensive, unchecked power that the club is trying to scale back from and put onto multiple shoulders. He's not exactly an easy character to work with either, is my impression at at least.
 
gajender said:
Tuchel , he signed 2 year contract with PSG.
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So not a deal till the end of the season as suggested. A 2 year deal would be fine. He would get a full season
 
Cassidy said:
Name a top manager who accepted such a deal before…
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The poster suggested 2+1 and it's not dissimilar to what he's previously taken. He's imploded in 2-3 seasons at every club bar dortmund for one reason or another.

This idea that he should see himself above a shorter deal is a bit stupid. The guy is unemployed and waiting for a good gig ontop of it all.

G3079 said:
Why would he want to take over a club that's in the middle of its season, and a semi-severe performance crisis as well? No preparation time, immediate need to deliver in a very challenging league with a squad that is questionable to be of top-6 quality, no possibility to change the squad for a few more months... not exactly an attractive proposal. Especially not when you stack a shortterm contract on top of that.

And the other way around, I really don't think that Tuchel is a good fit for United. He craves exactly the comprehensive, unchecked power that the club is trying to scale back from and put onto multiple shoulders. He's not exactly an easy character to work with either, is my impression at at least.
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Because it's a big club, a great opportunity to be at the right place in the right time under a new regime, his partner is in England and his priority is the PL. Pick a reason.
 
Cassidy said:
So not a deal till the end of the season as suggested.
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That's a non starter I agree , though I don't rate Tuchel as top manager but he is still far better than accepting caretaker role .
 
Seeing as United lately is the place where your career stops its upwards trajectory, I guess it won't impact Tuchel that much.
 
The expectations are so low that it is going to be easy to show progress and results. I would take this job if I were him.
 
Marcus said:
The expectations are so low that it is going to be easy to show progress and results. I would take this job if I were him.
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Would be very surprised if we went back for him after he supposedly turned it down in the summer
 
Teja said:
Football has short memories - the longer he stays out of management, the greater the risk that people will think he's a has-been like Mourinho. No other big club needs him.

We're the only ones in crisis mode in the PL in the top 8 or so.
RM and Barca are fine.
PSG he can't go back.
He's done the tour of Germany and isn't going back to a BvB level club.
Italy might be possible but for who? Motta, Conte, Inzaghi are set. That leaves Roma and Milan and you'd think we're bigger than both.

To me, Tuchel on an interim / a short contract we could get out of (5-7m sack fee) is the most obvious thing we can do right now.
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Hear hear
 
This guy might fail at Bayern but he won Champions League with Chelsea and always made it to top 4 comfortably with Chelsea and we’re not talking about the best of Chelsea era when they used to had Terry, Drogba, Lampard, you have to be very good manager if you can do that.

If he joins us straight away in 2022 from Chelsea, no one would make any debate with the decision. His time at Bayern is the reason why people are having debate about him right now.
 
cpresc said:
Yes it's premature, but Slott by name and slotted in by nature. No signings, no drama, top of the league... granted only 6 games in with a tough run ahead but when we were last top of the league? I genuinely can't remember. So yeah I'd call that a smooth transition.
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Imagine if this happened to Ten Hag.. People would be crying he hasn't been backed 24 hours a day. We could lose every single match, and it would matter..
"It's not his team"
 
Honestly, I don’t understand why he won’t take the United job. No other top club is hiring you or even looking for a new manager. United is the best you can hope for. Just come on your knees, say sorry and take the job you tracksuit wearing flimsy looking hard handshaking lanky moron.
 
kaku06 said:
Honestly, I don’t understand why he won’t take the United job. No other top club is hiring you or even looking for a new manager. United is the best you can hope for. Just come on your knees, say sorry and take the job you tracksuit wearing flimsy looking hard handshaking lanky moron.
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Maybe INEOS are the ones who should be saying sorry for not being willing to meet his terms
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Imagine if this happened to Ten Hag.. People would be crying he hasn't been backed 24 hours a day. We could lose every single match, and it would matter..
"It's not his team"
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We where top of the league after Our first match this season. You must have a short memory.
 
Doubt they go back after he turned us down
We've also bought a big money centre back he didn't really fancy at Bayern.
 
Leftback99 said:
Doubt they go back after he turned us down
We've also bought a big money centre back he didn't really fancy at Bayern.
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Yeah I don't see that happening either, however really hope that I'm proved wrong because feel he has that capability to organise things
 
VP89 said:
Easy headline to write. I don't see it happening unless Tuchels view on control changes. Hopefully it has becsuse I've warmed to the idea of him managing us.
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Yeah apparently he wanted more control than INEOS were prepare to offer so be very surprised
 
cpresc said:
Yes it's premature, but Slott by name and slotted in by nature. No signings, no drama, top of the league... granted only 6 games in with a tough run ahead but when we were last top of the league? I genuinely can't remember. So yeah I'd call that a smooth transition.
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Slot is wise. He didn't try anything new or his. He is playing Klopp's system and Klopp's style of play (with a tweak then and there).
 
ROFLUTION said:
In order:
Alonso (unrealistic)
Nagelsmann (slightly unrealistic)
Emery (realistic if thrown a bag of money too)
Poch
Tuchel (if he doesn’t have a veto/great involvement on transfers)

I think I’ll even take Poch over Tuchel just because he develops the type of players we have more than Tuchel. Let’s be real: we cant possibly go for the title this year or next year, it first comes when we’ve developed the talent we have. Developing Garnacho, Amad and Zirkzee to go to next level probably takes 2 years. I’d trust the other 3 managers way more than Tuchel in doing so. Getting in Poch for 1-2 years is cool with me, as we wont win anything of note anyways imo. After 1-2 years, better manager options emerge again, and then you move on from Poch. I’d prefer Emery though, but from the easily attainable managers then Poch over Tuchel.
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Emery has been given pretty much more control at Aston Villa than he'd get here. Would be very unlikely to get him. They've built the club around him.
 
roseguy64 said:
Emery has been given pretty much more control at Aston Villa than he'd get here. Would be very unlikely to get him. They've built the club around him.
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Feom what I can read. First they asses the squad and what is overall needed, age, types, depth, then Monchi takes care of finding all the possible players, and then short it down to 10 targets in each position. Then he talks with Emery again and they find out who to go for.

Wouldnt be that different here at United.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Feom what I can read. First they asses the squad and what is overall needed, age, types, depth, then Monchi takes care of finding all the possible players, and then short it down to 10 targets in each position. Then he talks with Emery again and they find out who to go for.

Wouldnt be that different here at United.
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Maybe but everything coming out of there makes it sound like Emery's opinion on who to appoint/buy is the most important.
 
roseguy64 said:
Maybe but everything coming out of there makes it sound like Emery's opinion on who to appoint/buy is the most important.
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I'd say Monchi's team have done a big amount of groundwork until the point Emery's opinion/chance has relevance. I do think that's what our transferteam does too, to keep the team and manager in sync, but EtH now can't veto a transfer, if I understand correctly. In the groundphase of finding new transfertargets it would be weird not to have the manager's input on where he thinks the squad is lacking at least. He sees everything everyday, so there must be some credibility and insight into what squad dynamics are missing - Leaders, right type of squad-age, depth, the right competition in a spot for a player that would get more motivated by competition, etc.

Emery seems to understand these sort of things, if Villa's results are anything to go by, so adding him in the "research" phase would also be a decent thing to do imo. I don't think he'd be very determined to not take the job if he just trusts the proces and feels listened to in the "ground-phase" of finding transfertargets.
 
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