You're deluded if you think giving shite players £60k a week until 2021 is the best way to get rid of them.
Maybe you should give Benteke an extension too.
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You're deluded if you think giving shite players £60k a week until 2021 is the best way to get rid of them.
Maybe you should give Benteke an extension too.
Does he actually have a choice ? Just a few weeks ago we had a complete team in rehab.
Not that simplistic but ... well you being you logic isn't your forte where Liverpool are concerned.
If he didn't pick those two who would play in CM. Allen and Lucas? They are similar.
Out of interest were you this critical of Van Gaal last season after a few months in the job?
You're all acting like this is unusual for us. Since Benitez left we've had Hodgson, Dalglish and Rodgers in charge. We were horrible under Hodgson, finished Dalglish's reign in relegation form and 13/14 aside were largely poor under Rodgers. Even Benitez had a pretty mediocre start as Liverpool manager (finishing 5th on 58 points) but won the Champions League so it didn't matter.
I won't lie, it's gone worse than I thought it would so far (as far as the league is concerned) but the time to judge will be in Klopp's second or third season. That'll be the point where we'll all be able to see if he's actually going to achieve something or be a failure. That being said he needs to sort his training methods out. These hamstrings are ridiculous.
Football is far too knee-jerk these days.
you certainly as feck don't give him a 5 year contract if you might want to get rid of him!!
You're talking shite and you can't defend your argument.
Strange state of affairs when Dumbstar is the voice of reason on LFC.
Shows the absolute naivety and delusion of the other LFC posters.
Klopp is doing a shite job. Mind boggles at the excuses, isn't he suppose to be one of the best in the world?
Deflect and Squirm? I've been on the back of LVG since his first few months with his ridiculous 3-5-2 at the start.
So not sure what you are talking about.
Who is he supposed to play if not them? Our options for midfield are Lucas, Can, Henderson, Milner and Allen. Our options for attacking positions are and have been Firmino, Lallana, Ibe and Benteke in the last few weeks. He's also limited at CB where we only have Sakho, Lovren, Toure and Caulker to pick from. None of those options seem particularly fantastic to me. I'd go as far as saying that we're exactly where we should be in the league with the players available.
When was the last time we scored from a corner? I genuinely can't remember.
You must cringe though at how much has been spent on these players you are now saying need shipping out?
I've already defended it. Just because United supporters don't agree with it, and have more interest in putting the boot in for the sake of it (as you do at every opportunity), has zero impact on it's accuracy.
Surely he should be doing a better job than Brenton when you have the same squad. If he's world class then he would be doing that easily.
I believe we were in the top 4 at the same time last season so not really.
Although I did have a go at him for trying to be too clever with some of his tactics and team selections.
Absolutely. It is very disheartening to get excited about new players, a team's progression, a manager (Rodgers) and then see them fall apart. But then no need to tell you about that
Yeah he should. Sure he may improve when he gets his 'own' players but at the moment he is doing a crap job who has been more ineffective than the smartarse who was sacked.
I'm not saying anything that any normal non-deluded Liverpool fan hasn't been saying.
I guess they're just putting the boot in too.
Or maybe they've been watching football and their team for more than 5 minutes.
But top managers can get more out of his players. The players you named are not world class but their not bad players. Klopp has had an awful start.Who is he supposed to play if not them? Our options for midfield are Lucas, Can, Henderson, Milner and Allen. Our options for attacking positions are and have been Firmino, Lallana, Ibe and Benteke in the last few weeks. He's also limited at CB where we only have Sakho, Lovren, Toure and Caulker to pick from. None of those options seem particularly fantastic to me. I'd go as far as saying that we're exactly where we should be in the league with the players available.
When was the last time we scored from a corner? I genuinely can't remember.
Van gaal started poorly but he picked up. He got us results somehow even through the million injuries we had. LvG grinded out results. Klopp isn't doing the same.
He joined in 2013 on a "long term contract".
He must surely have had at least another 2 years from next summer.
It was madness.
Liverpool supporters always love a good scapegoat. First it was Benteke but now he's been benched they've turned their attention to Mingolet again.
He's not a great keeper at all but they would rather pick on a player than dare criticise Klopp. True it's not been able to put his stamp on the squad but it doesn't hide the fact that he should have done better than he has so far this season.
It's ALWAYS like that with us. We spend big money on average players, get a bit excited when they come in and aren't completely awful, then end up scratching our heads a year down the line wondering where it all went wrong for Allen/Milner/Lallana/Can/Markovic/Sakho/Lovren/Benteke/Moreno/Balotelli/Lambert/Borini etc. I am genuinely embarrassed to see Leicester City 18 points ahead of us after spending barely a fraction of what we spend on players. We're the worst at buying players in the league and have been for years.
Klopp has a big task on his hands to fix that.
Was only watching the end because I had Firmino captain in FPL - quite enjoyed the last 10 minutes!
My god...
I agree totally.
Agreed. I can't get my head around it. I refuse to believe that a manager with Klopp's pedigree thinks Mignolet is a solid keeper but what are we supposed to think when he's given a new contract. All that says to me is that Mignolet is our number one and is here to stay.
A scapegoat is not always someone who deserves criticism. These players do. So therefore in your opinion Benteke has delivered his best for the team and has lived up to his transfer fee ? And Mignolet is proving himself to be a top keeper ? Both deserve criticism and to be dropped. Klopp can't get away Scott-free but he's more than a handful of pretty fair excuses to call on.
We're talking about four months in so for Van Gaal the equivalent would be December 2014. Were United in the top four then? I'm just trying to make the point that this isn't an easy league and Klopp has to be allowed the time to implement what he wants to do. I agree that he should be doing better but it's a bit much to call him a fraud at this stage of his Liverpool career.
If this continues on into next season and we don't see improvement than I'll be happy to hold my hands up and say you're right and he's not up to it.
LvG had the benefit of pre-season, a large transfer kitty and a number of players that he brought in. It's fair to give him a midseason grade - though it seems United are calling time on him already - and it's fair to say that United have under-performed with all the resources at his disposal. Klopp has had none of those yet but the Sky generation think it's OK to grade him here and now, despite not having had time to really work with the players (how can you do that when Liverpool have played more games a week than any other team in Europe) ?
United were 3rd throughout December 2014.
I can agree he's not proven a fraud yet but definitely a big disappointment. After his final season at Dortmund and now this, his reputation is taking a battering.
I actually thought that this season was a nice chance for Klopp to get a decent position under less pressure which could have helped him next season.Now if like a lot of Liverpool fans suggest he will have a massive overhaul then there will be pressure on the new players to deliver immediately. If they don't start the next season well then the whole feel good factor will disappear very quickly.
Ah ok fair enough. Van Gaal did at least get a summer and transfers though.
Yeah that's probably a fair assessment although he did seem to repair a lot of the damage at Dortmund and leave them in a decent enough position.
We were top 4 in November
LVG would have been crucified if he had done as badly as Klopp back then..
Agreed. I think we're all guilty of getting overexcited when our clubs sign anyone for big money. I'm hoping that what Leicester have done this season will serve as a bit of a lesson to all fans that you just don't need to spend hundreds of millions in order to build a very good team.
Good scouting and finding players who work well together should be the model for everyone.
I'm curious where the funding for this huge rebuilding project that is apparently going to happen this summer will come from? They aren't going to get much back for the dross they need to ship out.
Yeah, LVG got a fairly significant summer in terms of transfers too. And that team was always better than 7th, it was a lot down to players under-performing for Moyes. On the other hand, Klopp's struggles do vindicate Rodgers a little bit and demonstrate that Liverpool's problems lie in the (lack of) quality of their players. A little ominous for Klopp because if he needs better players to succeed, he's going to have to reverse a more than two decade old trend of Liverpool buying very poorly.
I'm hoping we don't go and spend millions and follow Leicester's example, signing cheaper players that turn out to be very good players. We rarely do well with big money signings.
I was thinking today that United's biggest signings that we get the most excited about often let people down the most.
Berbatov (I loved him)
Di Maria
Falcao
Mata (again very mixed)
Agree completely. I feel like some of our issues that led to Rodgers getting sacked were his own doing but if you believe the story that a lot of players were signed by a committee and not just the manager then it certainly puts Rodgers in a better light.