Klopp has made an immediate impact - that's a bit of a surprise. I remember that Liverpool even in top form couldn't take apart City and Chelsea like that. Of course Rodgers didn't fare too bad in the PL. But his record in the Europa League and the Cup also spoke against him. I also think that the owners wanted to push for top 4 this season by appointing Klopp, which is a realistic aim since we've thrown away our season.
Liverpool : General discussion
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Coutinho is amazing. Him and Firmino can be deadly at times. Also Can, Lallana and Moreno were excellent yesterday. It was a great performance by Liverpool. They could seriously do well this year bearing in mind they have 2 strikers who havent found good form yet, who can be unplayable on their day (Benteke and Sturridge)
Having said that City were very poor yesterday. Klopps tactics made them look average. It was like watching city playing against any decent European side. They seem to be unable to adapt to different styles of football. So I genuinely wouldn't get carried away if I was a Liverpool fan.
Having said that City were very poor yesterday. Klopps tactics made them look average. It was like watching city playing against any decent European side. They seem to be unable to adapt to different styles of football. So I genuinely wouldn't get carried away if I was a Liverpool fan.
You can't look at one game in isolation. A similar pattern with Dortmund is already developing. Great when they play on the counter but struggle to break down teams they should beat and give away silly goals. They have a fighting chance for too 4. Them or Spurs.
Weird way of phrasing it. Makes it sound like he has three goals and three assists rather than just one goal and two assists. Its like saying Özil has got 11 goals and assists this season. Makes you think he's scored 11 times but he's got 1 goal and 10 assists
So you settle for third. Good:-D
Are you really trying to tell me a second rate shopping mall will close the financial gap between your lot and Arsenal. Fecking hell
.Spurs will never be top 4 regulars until the sheik decides to pull the plug. Even then there's still Liverpool. Sorry bud.
Are you really trying to tell me a second rate shopping mall will close the financial gap between your lot and Arsenal. Fecking hell
Spurs will never be top 4 regulars until the sheik decides to pull the plug. Even then there's still Liverpool. Sorry bud.
You clearly haven't read the project details: 4 star hotel with 180 bedrooms, 579 new homes, NFL football, medical centre, extreme sports centre, multi-use games area, museum, sky walk, stadium usable for several entertainment events each week (rock concerts etc), several bars and cafes/restaurants, immersive cinema .... the list goes on.
This is all on top of increased stadium capacity from 36k to 61k, which alone will provide a large increase in income.
BTW, I haven't said it will "close the financial gap" with Arsenal, but at the very least it will go a very long way towards it.
Wishful thinking. We'll have neither.
You're clearly not aware of the size of the season-ticket waiting list. And concerning the debt-size I'll bet on Levy's financial nous any day of the week.
No you got yourself there with that weird statement claiming he's already implemented what he had to within days instead of years. I'd imagine the goal of whatever he's implementing wasn't 9th place.
Or most likely the guy who took Liverpool closer to the title than klopp will manage.
Despite this being a Liverpool thread, I must say this conversation has been a pretty interesting read 
I reckon Spurs will fill their stadium to 90% plus more often than not, just as we will.
I reckon Spurs will fill their stadium to 90% plus more often than not, just as we will.Yeah, both easily will. We're not talking about City or Chelsea here.Despite this being a Liverpool thread, I must say this conversation has been a pretty interesting read
Klopp's pressing was always likely to create initial problems for opposition teams. The question is how long that sustains and whether/when teams suss it out. He won titles in Germany but after a point teams just knew how to play Dortmund. Attack them and they can destroy you on the counter. Sit back and they look a bit clueless and get spanked on the counter themselves.
His other big problem is Spurs. I think they're better than Liverpool, and top 4 is a must for them and it will be difficult to achieve.
His other big problem is Spurs. I think they're better than Liverpool, and top 4 is a must for them and it will be difficult to achieve.
This. A morose scouse fanbase is no fun
Just a heads up, this is standard Klopp. Dortmund always gave big teams a spanking when they were on form. Any team that opens up, plays out the back and offers them space to move into will get torn apart by his teams pressing. Pep learned and went long ball against them. Its the teams at the bottom who he struggles wth. Teams who sit deep and don't offer his team room to move into.
That makes sense. Makes the signing of Benteke look a little smarter, I reckon... Someone that offers a different kind of threat upfront than Coutinho/Firmino against the deeper teams, while still being able to play in the pressing/fluid system against the big boys.
I don't think it works like that considering he was signed for a different manager.
Well, yeah
But in the long run, it seems to have worked out. I'm still happy we've signed him.The fact that Dortmund won 2 consecutive league titles in Germany & then finished runners-up the 2 seasons after that might suggest that Klopp did find a way to beat the 'park-the-bus' type of sides. I do think you have a valid point though. It's going to be a reoccurring problem for our new manager, & it's one he'll have to overcome. His forays into the transfer market will be interesting over the next few windows. He's going to need a few more game changers & match-winners if we're going to break back into the big boys club.
Liverpool were very impressive. But I really was shocked at how naive City were.
Not really. His tactics were fairly revolutionary at the time for the Bundesliga. It took teams a while to adjust to his tactics and counter them. They first tried imitating them and then started parking the bus. In his last season, the smaller teams sat back more and he struggled to break them down.
naive and sh*t
indeed..btw Yaya was Liverpool's 12th man.
So after seven years, 'a while'. he got figured out.
Liverpool were excellent, but it was a bit difficult to judge how much of that was down to City not turning up.
It was a known issues for a much longer time and Klopp refused to adapt. Dortmund was still easily the second best team in Germany. It wasn´t the main reason why Dortmund struggled in his last season.
Tuchel changed those things and Dortmund looks better than ever.
Yes. Now he has to adapt and grow as a manager. Every manager who has a strict playing style will have his tactic found out and will need to adapt it to overcome his opponents. If he cant do it, then he really isn't the great manager people on Redcafe make him out to be.
I reckon he will adapt and will overcome this adversity.
It was quite obvious the tactic got sussed out eventually. It was clear from watching them. They looked clueless as to how to playing against parked buses. But yeah it did deliver titles prior to that. Let's see how the premier league reacts to it. But he's obviously also actively trying to make sure he's one step ahead to try and ensure it isn't nullified like that. So nothing can be predicted.
His main problem in his last season was probably player fatigue and a terrible streak of injuries. His biggest personal failure in that season were not his tactics but the fact that he remaned loyal to low performing players.
Fachts on here:
- Suarez became a better player when he left Liverpool
- Rodgers was rated while at Swansea
- Klopp was a world class manager before October this year
Can't put my finger on it but seems people change their minds about folk very quickly...
- Suarez became a better player when he left Liverpool
- Rodgers was rated while at Swansea
- Klopp was a world class manager before October this year
Can't put my finger on it but seems people change their minds about folk very quickly...
Now I'm no rocket scientist but I'm going to guess it's because our clubs are fierce rivals.
Didn't see the match but MOTD highlights suggest Liverpool had a very good plan and it worked brilliantly.
There's a but coming of course...
City's defence was laughable and frankly, it genuinely looked like some of their players were in pre-season. Shocking to see, despite it being quite entertaining. When Adam Lallana is having a decent game against you - you're not playing well.
Not trying to be cheeky but when you go 3-0 up against a side away at home - who are normally a formidable opponent - you need to consider they're maybe just having a shit day and you're taking full advantage.
Bit like why I never understand the love for our 8-2 against Arsenal. Not even close to my top 5 favourite games against them.
There's a but coming of course...
City's defence was laughable and frankly, it genuinely looked like some of their players were in pre-season. Shocking to see, despite it being quite entertaining. When Adam Lallana is having a decent game against you - you're not playing well.
Not trying to be cheeky but when you go 3-0 up against a side away at home - who are normally a formidable opponent - you need to consider they're maybe just having a shit day and you're taking full advantage.
Bit like why I never understand the love for our 8-2 against Arsenal. Not even close to my top 5 favourite games against them.
The worst thing about our away form vs last year's top 4 is that it's absolutely perfect for United
But yeah, that fixture list is as kinda as can be, although that means nothing if we don't put in the performances. Hoping for at least 5 wins out of those, with West Ham being the scariest fixture there.
West Ham are probably stronger when playing away. Their home results haven't been very good afaik.They're a counter attacking team aren't they?
No expert on chelsea but i thought the di matteo / benitez season was pretty close in the end, with spurs a couple of points off?
I dont think the top 4 is as much of a closed shop as some seem to, that was my basic point.
Arsenal are hardly an unstoppable footballing behemoth, wenger leaving in a couple of years will give others a chance if nothing else.
Edit:
I didn't say numerous times to be fair. I said a couple of times and considering you quite literally dropped out of the top 4 one of them times i think its a fair statement.
Encounter at Dreampoint:
'Klopp, Klopp'
'Who's there?'
'Liverpool's Saviour!'
'You're late!'
'Only 25 years!'
'We waited and waited.. Now most have forgotten. Or grown old.'
'I'll make you feel young again, mein Liebling.'
'Oh, Jurgen!'
I think he'll be great for them though.
'Klopp, Klopp'
'Who's there?'
'Liverpool's Saviour!'
'You're late!'
'Only 25 years!'
'We waited and waited.. Now most have forgotten. Or grown old.'
'I'll make you feel young again, mein Liebling.'
'Oh, Jurgen!'
I think he'll be great for them though.
So, once in ten years. We have been as safe a bet for top four as Arsenal, if not more so for a long time now.
Sure, and outside 2 seasons we were too.
I remember people thinking the top 4 was going to be Liverpool, United, Arsenal and Chelsea forever and ever and no one had a chance of breaking it up.
Even if City didn't come along, spurs and everton were better teams than Liverpool on numerous occasions over recent years.
Thats a moyes managed everton and spurs managed by Redknapp and Sherwood nearly breaking into the top 4.
You dont think a Klopp or Pochettino managed team with money to burn (every team in the league has money to burn these days) have a decent chance of breaking up the current party?
Though let's not forget that Klopp was also interested in taking him to Germany, as both Klopp and Benteke have said.
I do. People just don´t want to see it. Denial. Also watching all the English players thrive under them makes me think England could actually do something, no make that WOULD do something, if they ever appointed a modern day national team manager. Hodgson has the right idea in terms of squad selection, but I´m not sure he is bold and good enough in his tactical approach. Much like the difference between Klopp and Rodgers.