Wait, Liverpool fans still rate Lucas? Jeez guys, let him go.
Liverpool : General discussion
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Collecting £140k p/w while carefully applying a plaster to the wickle boo boo on his knee.
Would you sell him for a decent offer?
Who would made a decent offer and offer him good wages?
Answearing you question, I think @Tommy already said once that he would, or was that some other Liverpool fan on caf?
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I wouldn't sell Sturridge, he's been terrific for us when fit. If he was 30+ however and still the way he is now with injuries then I'd ship him out.
You might be right on those points. It was more of a hypothetical thing rather than with any logic behind it though.
Any chance of a Saha style 'pay as you play'?
That was me (well, maybe Tommy said it too).
No matter how old is he, he has been injuried his whole career and it looks like it is getting worse. He is on high wages and in my opinion he pulls Liverpool back because if they would got rid of him there will be a place for a new top striker on high wages instead of him who usually injuried.
Yeah i knew some Liverpool fan said it but wasn't sure who exactly said it. Given Tommy comment on him i think he would sale him too.
Without doubt.
While I think we can afford £140k p/w for a 1 in 2 striker, I'm not sure spending £140k p/w on a 1 in 2 striker that only plays 1 in 2 (at best) means we're effectively paying him around 5 times more per game than Coutinho (£300k~ vs £60k p/w), and more than double what we pay the club captain.
I like him. I think, when fit, he's one of the top 3-5 strikers in the league... But that's just it - He's almost never fit, and those wages could be spent better elsewhere.
how did Liverpool play? Still believe Klopp will get them into 4th place at least.
Yeah his wages are an issue. I didn't realise he was on that much. If he doesn't get fit and play a string of games I think Klopp will look to move him on.
On the Palace game, I hope Sakho hasn't done his ACL. Didn't look good though. Never good to see players injured.
Just shows you have not seen enough of Coquelin if you feel he will not offer more than Lucas in the build up or if he is not better than Lucas as a DM.
Just look at their starting line up yesterday. A lot of people have said we have squandered money in the last two years. We have nothing in Liverpool.
Henderson, Milner, Sturridge, Ings, Gomez all missing. The team will be much better with a near fully fit squad (9 injured - most in the EPL as of today).
And do you really want to start on spending considering how much LvG has flashed ?
None of those out injured are that impressive anyway though. Sturridge is very good but he's never fit so it's almost pointless mentioning him.
And yeah go on let's start on spending. Liverpool have spent much worse than we have over the last 2 years, even if we have wasted a load.
What is klopp doing to them? Thats 3 players i think out with ligament damage. Sturridge has some knee issue like welbeck. what do pool fans feel about injuries of similar kind popping up?
Lovren
None of those players are intimidating.
Let's.
LvG only notable flop so far is Di Maria, who we recouped most of the fee anyway. Even if you include the Moyes's transfers, Fellaini is the only other who is surplus to requirement and we are set to lose most of the money on.
Your club has wasted shit load of money under virtually every managers since Roy Evans. David Brent spent as much as LvG has, yet since most of those transfers are low fees, it didn't get the same scrutiny Utd's got.
The Sakho one was just as he was landing, so not really Klopp's fault. Not sure about Ings and Gomez though.
They really need Henderson, Sakho and Sturridge to finish top four IMO. If they all continue to miss games then I can't see them getting there.
Pretty sure Gomez was on England duty.
Agree with that, sadly. Our midfield is light as it is, but without Henderson... Ah, we've had some good results, but we really are a better team with him on the field. Same with Sakho, of course.
You're a Newbie. It's been done to death. Suffice to say both clubs have shite transfer records over the past few years but we are not talking about under previous mangers (although you can include Rodgers for LFC and Moyes' sole purchase if you like). We've just spent a lot less over the past 2 years .. which is more relevant to the teams as they stand today .. but we are both waiting (and waiting) for some of those to prove if they are going to be a success or a flops.
Ah, the famous net spend argument again?
No one is saying LFC should be doing better than United. The sheer disparity in wage bills make that a very tough task. But it's disingenuous to say your transfers and ours are as bad as each other. Between Markovic, Llana and Lovren - not even the worst transfers you've made, you have wasted the best part of £70m without any tangible returns. That's worse than anything LvG has done in the transfer market.
2014's summer was always going to be tough on us. We got our worst season in more than 20 years, see a lot of first teamers depart, 4 of them made up the back bone of our nearest previous great team. Even in those circumstances, the business we did was ok. Blind, Rojo and Herrera will be valuable members of the squad for years to come, Falcao was a punt and Di Maria, while a flop, arguably contributed a fair share to our top 4 finish and flogged off at £10m loss. Media's hysterics asides, it was better than your pathetic attempt to spend the Suarez's money.
Really? I'd say that their current 10th place is a pretty fair reflection of this current Liverpool squad.
Just incredible bad luck really.
Sakho - landed badly (knee ligaments but not ACL)
Gomez - also landed badly during England Under-21s vs Kazakhstan (ACL)
Henderson - Broken Metatarsal during training (Rodgers)(also out for Heel issues during match)
Sturridge - Perma Sick Note (Currently sore Knee)
Ings - ACL during training (Klopp)
Milner - Hamstring during match
Ibe - knee injury during match
Toure - Hamstring during match
Rossiter - Hamstring during match (3 England games in 5 days)
Flanagan - ACL - pre-season training (Rodgers)
To say nothing of the other injuries that have kept Firmino (back - fell awkwardly during a match) and Benteke (hamstring - match) out for lengthy spells too this season. Really nothing at all that you could say was due to a training regime implemented under Klopp. Completely agree though that if we don't get Sturbridge, Henderson and Sakho back and relatively injury free for the rest of the season then we can forget any notion of Top 4.
Our Sicknote Team (needed to put Enrique in goal and Lloyd Jones was brought back from loan however now we can move Sakho to the centre instead, Flanno to LCB and Ibe comes in as WB)
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To be honest Net Spend is very misleading, exactly how much has been spent on the current team, regardless of Net, is the only relevant figure. LFC are currently 8th in Europe on that statistic (note the English Tax's influence on that standing) and our team simply doesn't reflect that. United by the way are vying with Real & Barca for #1 most expensive, and that's 3x the value of Liverpool's.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/300578/team-value-of-soccer-teams/
However, just to contradict myself, once a player has been bought then the figure becomes relatively irrelevant (except to the bean counters) as it's simply a case of whether they perform to or above expectations or not. On that basis both United and Liverpool have players that have 'failed' (Lovren, Balotelli, Falco, Di Maria - IMO), are 'pending' (Markovic, Depay, Ibe, Martial) or are successful by the measure that matters (which isn't what was paid for them). I've a lot of confidence that Klopp can have a positive impact on at least some of those 'Pendings'.
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Martial is pending?
Not sure if it's dependable (Liverpool Echo), but wow. Didn't expect that tbh.
I disagree. If you buy twenty flops and then sell them for peanuts before finding ten first team players, the money lost on those flop deals is just as significant in determining the success of your transfer strategy as the cost of the players you eventually kept on. City's spending in the first few years was hugely out of proportion to the success those players had, with a few exceptions like Aguero, Silva, Toure and Kompany who stayed and became the core of the team. It was a strategy only an oil rich club could afford, and caused them plenty of problems along the way.
United wasted a loan fee on Falcao, and about 10m on Di Maria. Liverpool will lose at least, if not more, on Balotelli and Lovren, and can afford it less. More critically, both invested with the aim of securing Champions League football, and so far, only one has succeeded in that.
Of course he's pending. He's played half a dozen games. I see in the Kane thread people writing Kane off as a one-season wonder but you think Martial is now proven after just a handful of games ? For what it's worth he looks the real deal but that's been said of plenty before that have not gone on to fulfil the promise shown.
In a league where there are half a dozen teams that could do that in any one given season then that's patently not a certainty by any means. Especially when you are starting from a lower base.
in all the games he has played he looks the real deal. Memphis does need a lot of work though. Kane is quality no doubt.
How can you put Martial and Markovich in the same bracket of "pending"?
I bet you Martial isn't sent out on loan next season.
I bet you Martial isn't sent out on loan next season.
We have spent about the same over the last 20 years. Some have been shite signings and some have been good signings for both clubs. Only difference is that we have won the league a slightly few more feckING times. AND our youth has been much better introduced to first team football. Our shite signings didn´t appear as much in the first team either since the one bossing us realised he made a fecking mistake
Sorry you were only talking nowadays (I only read the first line). We won the last three games against you. And 75000 vs 45000. About 20 years ahead of you lot
Liverpool's transfer record is much worse than United's over the last 5 years, over the last 10 years, over the last 20 years, whatever way you want to look at it, net spend, gross spend, weighted spend.
I don't think a single club can lay claim to having wasted as much money as Liverpool. Your transfer record is abysmal. Rodgers fail rate was about 90%. Even his small number of successes are asterisked.
We won the two games before that, and you're the ones who keep telling us we like to live in the past... Besides, that 45000 is soon to be 60000, the third-biggest in the country alongside Arsenal.
Of course they are both 'pending' they are both very young players. Nothing I said puts them at the same level. Surprised you couldn't understand that.