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Liverpool : General discussion
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I just see a poster getting made a fool out of who probably should step away from his keyboard
That pretty much sums up every scouse in this thread.
Wow, I'm definitely popping a pound or two into those mental health charity boxes from now on. Definitely a serious condition.
Winning the league is one thing but they are certainly capable of challenging for it and make it harder for other teams, if Klopp's style is adopted and he gets the right players in.
And actually I think Klopp's philisophy would work really well in the Premier League because to me it's basically controlled kick and rush. Kick = move /tackle the ball at pace and with purpose, rush = run for every ball when with and without. It takes away the more 'tactical' side of the game and concentrates on players' technique and athletic ability (along with instincts).
As a Utd fan, I'm not hoping or desperate for Liverpool to do well, I just like to make neutral observations. I don't care about conflicting interests...because it's just entertainment/football to me. Never gonna take it personally and make bias assumptions.
Brilliant, @ post 601Well, he got ripped apart against tottenham, very lucky to not have conceded due to his laziness tracking back.( Covering for Lucas when Lucas needed to cover for Milner, when milner was pressing. Gegenpress does not work if the next man in line doesn't do his job. It's actually dangerous as feck.)
http://13steps.co/2015/10/17/tactical-analysis-jurgen-klopps-liverpool-vs-tottenham/ ( not my review, but very good)
Took me 15 minutes to read and think about it, but great read.
So they need to get Can to track back into space when off the ball (Something Henderson can do well), and they need to have a quicker transition to attack when they have the ball.
But what can do about the lack of threat from midfield when they're building up play? Or Origi's lack of positional intelligence? Or the fact that Milner had to do the job of two? Or their lack of defensive stability down their left?
Quite a few issues to be sorted. But I think they'll get there. The January window will help.
Agreed, there are way too many holes for them to be dangerous this year, and I believe they need a near complete overhaul again to be able to get Klopps vision onto the field in a proper way.
No threat from midfield, Lucas not being good enough as an anchor, and the high line will lead to goals with todays back four. If Kane had been in any sort of form, he would have punished them. Hard. Plus, Chadli instead of Clinton would probably also not have wasted as many opportunities to create chances. Klopp will lift them ofc, but it will take time, and I don't believe he will lift them to the top.
One way Klopp might have a positive is that perhaps the likes of Suarez, Sterling etc.. may not be so quick to leave with him there? Obviously that's on reputation alone at the mo, if things don't build up & start going well that won't count for much.
I think you're spot on. Perhaps Klopp being at the helm will buy us another season from a player that would otherwise force a move, but if he doesn't live up to his billing then they're just going to go anyway.
Yeah, I'm sure the lure of a boss with promise is something that'll perhaps tip the balance for players who might want away. I guess behind the scenes, the players will know what's working and what's not when perhaps it's less obvious for the rest of us. I'm sure there might be 1 or 2 who may have stopped another season at United, if it wasn't for the Moyes period.
Players I expect will flourish under Klopp:
Can (I'm certain of this)
Sakho
Origi
Markovic
I don't see much he can change with Coutinho/Sturridge/Henderson/Milner etc. Also think Klopp would have liked Ings.
Interesting to see who he brings in.
Can (I'm certain of this)
Sakho
Origi
Markovic
I don't see much he can change with Coutinho/Sturridge/Henderson/Milner etc. Also think Klopp would have liked Ings.
Interesting to see who he brings in.
"They ran around a lot"
This is the one I'm most looking forward to seeing
I rate the lad, think he has a lot of talent. Seems devoid of confidence at the moment though.
Currently on loan to Fenerbahce.
Yup, not really sure how he's doing though.
What an underwhelming start so far, topped off with Flopps admission that he cannot work miracles with current squad, new messiah looks a little lost already. Moyes had a better start and tactical nous in his first 3.
Balotelli will also be looked at again by the new messiah, talk about blind faith.
What an underwhelming start so far, topped off with Flopps admission that he cannot work miracles with current squad, new messiah looks a little lost already. Moyes had a better start and tactical nous in his first 3.
Who did this guy pay to get out of the Newbies ? I'm serious.
You're blinded by bias if you can't see some improvement already, for one they aren't headless chickens anymore they're just lacking serious wuality which will probably be rectified in Klopp's first window.What an underwhelming start so far, topped off with Flopps admission that he cannot work miracles with current squad, new messiah looks a little lost already. Moyes had a better start and tactical nous in his first 3.
You had to work so hard for your success, then someone comes along and just pays/bribes/stares hard at the "ref". Gotta be hard being a poolfan
They keep the intensity for longer durations, they have also been lucky at times, so there is not much improvement yet.
I think they will do ok and finish Top 6 till klopp can bring in his own players. What they need is stamina to be able to do what he requires. Its not easy doing a Klopp styled press for 90 mins in the German league every week, much less the EPL. He really has his work cut out for him but i think he unfortunately can be very good for them once they get used to his style.
all 3 of Milner, Can, Lucas isn't a great combination
Mignolet ain't never gonna have a good first touch/distribution - just isn't a footballer
don't think today's goal was his fault though as some are saying
Mignolet ain't never gonna have a good first touch/distribution - just isn't a footballer
don't think today's goal was his fault though as some are saying
Serious question, when did they last win a game?
I can remember them beating Stoke and Bournemouth, have they won any games in any competitions since then?
I can remember them beating Stoke and Bournemouth, have they won any games in any competitions since then?
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Aston Villa, 3-2.
Oh yes, Sturridge with two goals.
So only 3 wins all season in all competitions and 2 of them against relegation candidates.
Klopp's got a tough job on his hands.
They have too many average players. Getting Benteke back will help. If they get Sturridge and Henderson back, with Coutinho in form, then they should finish top six at least. They just look so nervy and all over the place whenever they have to defend though, it is amazing to watch in a way. This has been a problem for years and no one has fixed it.
Truth hurts mucker.
Who are you going to buy though, klopp already mentioning balotelli and a possible mooted return,a bargain like suarez only comes along once every decade or two.best you can hope for with budget at your disposal is a good cup run at best.
It will take more than one window, especially with Liverpool spending relatively conservatively for a club looking to get into the top 4. Unless they just hit a bunch of great, mid-range signings, but that's really, really tough to do. They need quality everywhere but central attacking players (Sturridge and Benteke up top, Coutinho and Firmino as 10s is very good and young) and right back, and maybe box to box CMs if one of Can or Henderson makes a leap under Klopp.
Just sell what needs to be sold and spend £120m on a CB partner for Sakho and 2-3 quality midfielders. Our midfield is so weak it's unbelievable... I think United have 3 or 4 midfielders before Henderson even gets considered for a combined 11, and he's our best midfielder
Just sell what needs to be sold and spend £120m on a CB partner for Sakho and 2-3 quality midfielders. Our midfield is so weak it's unbelievable... I think United have 3 or 4 midfielders before Henderson even gets considered for a combined 11, and he's our best midfielder
Welcome to the club,or at least we were there once.
They've been outplayed against Spurs and Saints. I rate Klopp and he'll eventually get things right but let's not give credit before it's deserved.
Yep. All the more so seeing as Liverpool under Rogers last season got 6 points from these two fixtures ... so Klopp is already 4 points down.