Well if Pogba is worth £89m...
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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Coutinho needs to perform against the very best before he will jump into the top tier of player.
Show boating at Crystal Palace doesn't cut it I'm afraid. Nor does going missing in big finals.
If you get CL football and he's effective then his price will rocket.
Can't remember his performance in the CL final two years ago but Pogba was absolutely nowhere in the Euros final this summer.
Agree with you in general though, I'd value Coutinho at about 50m but I doubt we'll sell him under 60m given the inflation of fees the last couple of years. He's still on his 70K/week contract though while he should easily be our top earner. Still tied up 'till 2020 but imo we should give him an upgrade to 150K/week at least.
The value of Coutinho has nothing to do with Pogba though? Different player, different role, different price. Nor do his performances in one tournament define him, although he scored a goal and helped his team to the latter stages despite not being his best.
The rest of your post is fair enough though.
Exactly. Previous/other player values can be somewhat prescriptive, but the value of a player has so much complex than "he's x% better than him so transfer value = 1.x ".
Think he's trying to say that we score more goals than you.
I watched 10 mins of the Liverpool match and they got away with a stonewall penalty. Very lucky, but you need a bit of luck to win the league so I stand by my prediction.
With that said, for similar reasons to Liverpool, i see Chelsea being serious contenders. Conte is turning them around at a very impressive rate and they have better players than Liverpool do, on aggregate. I think if one team does beat Liverpool to the title it will be Chelsea.
With that said, for similar reasons to Liverpool, i see Chelsea being serious contenders. Conte is turning them around at a very impressive rate and they have better players than Liverpool do, on aggregate. I think if one team does beat Liverpool to the title it will be Chelsea.
As already explained.
On blob is really on form .
Not sure if it's just a Liverpudlian saying . I grew up with this saying so automatically think people now what it means.
I don't think we would sell for 60mil. Think it would take a massive offer to even consider it. Liverpool don't need the money right now and coupled with the fact were in with a shout of cl football. Why would we risk that?
Only way I see him going is if he wants too and definitely not in Jan. The summer maybe different but it depends on what we've done this season imo.
Do you mean like Pogba against Burnley and Stoke ?
He was fantastic against Burnley..
He didn't go missing like Coutinho did against the famous Clarets.
I love how the scouse are obsessed with Pogba. They are having a great season but all you hear them talk about is United and the price of Paul Pogba.
Everton obsess over them, they obsess over us. Natures cycle.
Pogba was superb against Burnley though. Not his fault Ibra and Rooney are shit
Pogba was lovely to watch against the minnows Chelsea. Shame Coutinho can't turn up for European powerhouses like Burnley.
Edit: Anyway it was me who came up with the £100m figure. Hand on heart if we said you could have Coutinho for Pogba + £11m would you bite our hand off? Right now, today. Special Fifa law. Before your next league game?
Pogba was also pretty good against City the other day. His performances are improving steadily which is to be expected coming into the league from Serie A.
Anyway what does Pogba have to do with Coutinho?
Pogba + £11m = 100m = player value big clubs have to stump up.
So you price players based on others who are totally different?
I would absolutely never want Coutinho over Pogba.
Also, against Chelsea, the entire team was terrible, bar Valencia. It was Pogba's first game as a 10 for us and he had played 3 matches in 6. Hardly a game to judge him by.
Well that's me answered. I'll turn the internet off on my out.It's even simpler than that equation. Player in no rush to leave (ala Ronaldo, Bale or Suarez) then we ask for whatever the hell we want. Pay up or shut up.
Not worth bothering. I've learnt @Cassady can't be objective when talking about United. It's all about dick measuring. Makes you wonder why hes here as it's certainly not for discussion.
Just because I don't think Coutinho is worth 100m and explained why you end up with 'err but *** Pogba fella there is shit like and he's worth 89m and he didn't score a million goals past Burnley".
I do despair. It's even funnier that Burnley beat Liverpool with Coutinho on the pitch!
It's even simpler than that equation. Player in no rush to leave (ala Ronaldo, Bale or Suarez) then we ask for whatever the hell we want. Pay up or shut up.
You should have turned your Internet off years ago to save you from continually showing yourself up on here.
You didn't get your username for nothing. You earned that shit right there.
No one would.
Yes, and to be fair it is not only Liverpool supporters, but many rival fans, especially Arsenal, Chelsea, etc... now suddenly think Pogba is a donkey who was never actually good and laugh at the fee (as if we care about how much the Glazers paid). This is probably due to the fact that rivals and media hounded us at losing a world class midfield talent, something we've sorely lacked since scholes retired and Anderson became fat, and now those same rivals have to eat humble pie as he has returned.
The fact of the matter is that Pogba is settling in nicely and improving every day. We have many problems. Pogba is definitely not one of them.
Anyway, not sure how he became a topic in this thread, i apologise.
You should have turned your Internet off years ago to save you from continually showing yourself up on here.
You didn't get your username for nothing. You earned that shit right there.
Since comprehension is obviously not your forte I'll use easier language. No more Pogba. Suarez went for 60-70 million from us years ago. With the crazy tv money nowadays and a few years passed we are not letting go of our next biggest talent for less than x amount.
Sorry a lot of text for you to take in but take it in word by word this time.
Don't apologise. It was one of the scouse that brought Pogba up for some reason as they didn't like me explaining why I didn't think Coutinho was worth the 100m they suggested.
It's a shame really as there are a few decent Liverpool posters in here but the majority are far too subjective to have any interesting conversation with and just take things completely off topic.
Eric Pogba-Pogba obviously.
Never heard of him? Was he part of the Andy Carroll deal?
They're not eating any humble pie, until he's performing and United are competing. As of now, he's not proving them wrong yet that he's overrated and not worth £89m, plus those rivals you mentioned occupy the top 4 spots while United are down in 8th, so nah, they're still laughing.
You may be right. But it's just as well a season isn't 10 matches long, and 15-year careers are not defined by 2 months, isn't it? We'll wait and see. I stand by what I said. Pogba is the least of our concerns and steadily improving his form for club.
I didn't think any of them were 'stonewall', I agree some ref's may have given one of them but I thought Marriner had a decent game overall.
You cannot also gauge the whole match purely off 10 minutes, we should have been out of sight by half time and could easily have scored another 4 or so goals overall.
But yes it was another instance of a game that was closer than it should have been.
As for Pogba, nothing to do with Liverpool and you cannot compare him to Coutinho , different types of players. No doubt Pogba is very good, but he hasn't fully settled into his role yet and is currently playing in a mid table team who are under performing a little, Coutinho is playing in a side performing very well in role that suits him and the way the team play.
He is also playing to a more consistent level, his overall play has improved this season, especially his link up, passing, and movement. He has scored goals too. Clearly a very important player for us.
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And United fans obsess over Liverpool - look at you regularly posting in all the Liverpool threads for example
That's to say nothing of the plethora of threads that appear on LFC or LFC related themes on RC. Not surprising though, it's no different on LFC forums because United vs. Liverpool is THE rivalry in the PL, for historical reasons (Man. Ship Canal, trade competition) as well as being close neighbours and fierce rivals.TBH everyone is obsessed with Pogba and his transfer fee. The media & fans alike. How can you not be when the fee was a mind-boggling £89m and United had previously given him away on a free ?
Coutinho recently signed a new long-term contract, he loves it at Liverpool, both the club and the city, and we (inc. most importantly the manager) love him back. His salary needs increasing but that's not an issue and will happen soon enough. If Barca/Real were to come calling though I could probably see a Suarez like deal, stay another season and then a big fee (and I mean at least £60m+ because the massive increase in transfer fees, and the long term contract he's on, aligned with the relative dearth of players of his ilk would undoubtedly push the fee up).
Cantona build a solid reputation by thrashing the premiership rabble.
Either way, he was excellent against Arsenal, did very well against Chelsea and has been rolling over the rabble all season.
It wasn't a stonewall penalty simply because Pardew reckoned all of the penalty claims were 'borderline'. If any had been 'stonewall' then we all know Pardew would have been going ape-shit in the post-match interview whereas actually I've never seen him so calm after losing a match !
Couldn't care less about who people would rather have of coutinho and pogba. Coutinho is a good shout for player of the year so far. Pogba nowhere near that discussion.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Yes. I agree, which is why my post contained conditional words like "until" and "yet". He may prove them wrong in the future, but as of now, he has not.
You should have turned your Internet off years ago to save you from continually showing yourself up on here.
You didn't get your username for nothing. You earned that shit right there.
Pot calling the kettle black really - all this while you've been trying to drive a narrative that Liverpool fans are deluded (most of us here haven't talked about the title), trying to put us down, and now you've gone on and personally insulted another forum member. And no, that smiley doesn't take the edge off.
I still think we were a little bit lucky - you know how referees can be inconsistent. On another day we'd have conceded a soft penalty like that.