Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.

Klopper76 said:
I feel like we've got two issues defensively:

1. Individual errors which seem to occur more often during open play. Lovren's mistake for Palace's first goal is an example of this and Lucas gifting the ball to Vardy against Leicester is another.

2. Collective errors due to a lack of organisation and poor communication is the other issue. The goal we conceded against West Brom is an example of that and these collective mistakes seem to occur mainly at set pieces or via crosses into the box.

The second problem can be fixed through training. I think Klopp may need to move away from zonal marking but I think he's hesitant due to our lack of physicality within the side. Man for man I think there's a few sides in the league that can at least match us physically so I guess we'll stay with the zonal marking and hopefully the players improve with time.

I'm not sure what the solution to the first problem is though. Individual errors usually come about due to complacency or a lack of concentration. A mistake like Lovren's yesterday doesn't seem like something that can be fixed via coaching so the question is whether or not our players can cut it out of their game.

I think our attack will see us through a few games like yesterday but we definitely need to improve defensively if we're serious about being title contenders.
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I really don't see us moving away from zonal marking, it's pretty much how current European managers setup.

Number 1 is really annoying though, it really feels like some form of roulette sometimes. Like you said, our attack can't always bail us out, so we need to cut that out!
 
Scholesy said:
They won't win anything with that defence
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You may well be right, but Rodgers best season we came close to doing so when our defence was probably worse.
What we can't keep doing is relying on scoring more than the opposition - though it's fun to watch, long term I agree we need to keep clean sheets.
 
johnny boy said:
You may well be right, but Rodgers best season we came close to doing so when our defence was probably worse.
What we can't keep doing is relying on scoring more than the opposition - though it's fun to watch, long term I agree we need to keep clean sheets.
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Rodgers had Suarez and Sterling. Although I think Firmino is a decent player, and Mane is better than Sterling, they are not in the class of Suarez
 
Scholesy said:
Rodgers had Suarez and Sterling. Although I think Firmino is a decent player, and Mane is better than Sterling, they are not in the class of Suarez
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I agree but what we appear to have at least at the moment is plenty of goals from several players. Firmino, Mane, Coutinho and Lallana could all between them score a significant amount.
As it stands it is hard to really see Sturridge matching his tally from that season, but I think this year we can score a lot of goals - but yes we need to cut out the basic mistakes too.
 
Scholesy said:
Rodgers had Suarez and Sterling. Although I think Firmino is a decent player, and Mane is better than Sterling, they are not in the class of Suarez
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The first XI attacks of both teams have a lot going for them.

Big difference to me is - Rodgers had Victor Moses, the archetype of slothful disinterested loanee, Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas to come off the bench when he needed something more.

This team has Sturridge, Origi, Ings, and Can.

Add Ings to that team to come off the bench and we win the title in 14. The squad depth up front was poorer than any contender I can recall for a long time.
 
B20 said:
The first XI attacks of both teams have a lot going for them.

Big difference to me is - Rodgers had Victor Moses, the archetype of slothful disinterested loanee, Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas to come off the bench when he needed something more.

This team has Sturridge, Origi, Ings, and Can.

Add Ings to that team to come off the bench and we win the title in 14. The squad depth up front was poorer than any contender I can recall for a long time.
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I agree your bench is stronger now but still not good enough. Origi, Ings and Can especially are rubbish. Sturridge is a good player when he can be bothered but will be soon be sold in my opinion.

Injuries to Coutinho or Mane could destroy your chances.
 
Scholesy said:
I agree your bench is stronger now but still not good enough. Origi, Ings and Can especially are rubbish. Sturridge is a good player when he can be bothered but will be soon be sold in my opinion.

Injuries to Coutinho or Mane could destroy your chances.
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None of Origi, Can or Ings are rubbish. Origi and Can's bottom levels need work, but they are both potential first team starters.

Sturridge will be here at the least until the summer.
 
B20 said:
None of Origi, Can or Ings are rubbish. Origi and Can's bottom levels need work, but they are both potential first team starters.

Sturridge will be here at the least until the summer.
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Can is a headless chicken with no brain or technique.
Ings first touch isn't good enough.
Origi is also a headless chicken who relies on his pace.

Sturridge will throw a fuss at any time, he has a shocking attitude and is a ticking timebomb. He is one of the most unlikeable players in the game.
 
Really don't think Liverpool's players are better than ours, they've just got a manager at the height of his powers while ours seems to be suffering some sort of identity crisis.

Wish we'd hired Klopp when we had the chance. Guardiola will stay at City for three years and then move on but Klopp could really hurt us long-term.
 
Seveneric said:
They're not eating any humble pie, until he's performing and United are competing. As of now, he's not proving them wrong yet that he's overrated and not worth £89m, plus those rivals you mentioned occupy the top 4 spots while United are down in 8th, so nah, they're still laughing.
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The humble pie bit wasn't the funniest part of his post. It was the bit where he said Anderson was world class.

On the pens v CP no one seems to be mentioning the handball from Coutinho's header which was just as good a shout as any of the others.

On Pogba. His price tag means shag all really, any player is worth what the buying club is willing to pay and if United can get most of that fee back through merchandising alone then what does it matter how much they paid.
 
Scholesy said:
Can is a headless chicken with no brain or technique.
Ings first touch isn't good enough.
Origi is also a headless chicken who relies on his pace.

Sturridge will throw a fuss at any time, he has a shocking attitude and is a ticking timebomb. He is one of the most unlikeable players in the game.
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The media narrative of him is just silly IMO. After all the abuse he got about his fitness and he just got his head down. Hardly someone who has a shocking attitude.
 
Looking forward to their inevitable crash, their fans (not on this site, the pool fans here are sensible) have been getting extremely giddy.

You'd think they would have learned their lesson over the last 3 decades.
 
Its Monday after our game on a Saturday. Feels good that Firmino, Coutinho, Henderson, Matip, Clyne, etc, are going to have another nice long break until next Sunday. Lots of time for hugs, high fives, formation work and rest. :cool:

They're going to struggle without that winter break they're so accustomed to. ;)
 
Scholesy said:
Can is a headless chicken with no brain or technique.
Ings first touch isn't good enough.
Origi is also a headless chicken who relies on his pace.

Sturridge will throw a fuss at any time, he has a shocking attitude and is a ticking timebomb. He is one of the most unlikeable players in the game.
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There is considered opinion and then there is pure biased crap. We know which side of the fence the above falls on.
 
Dumbstar said:
Its Monday after our game on a Saturday. Feels good that Firmino, Coutinho, Henderson, Matip, Clyne, etc, are going to have another nice long break until next Sunday. Lots of time for hugs, high fives, formation work and rest. :cool:
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Yeah, it's such a relief not to be in the Champions League. :p

Nah, I know what you mean. I do hope we can capitalise on not being in Europe and go the distance in some other way, at least.
 
Scholesy said:
Rodgers had Suarez and Sterling. Although I think Firmino is a decent player, and Mane is better than Sterling, they are not in the class of Suarez
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Not many are mate.

The great thing about us this season is our goals are coming from everywhere. Fook me we've even started to score from corners with our centre backs.
 
B20 said:
Couldn't care less about who people would rather have of coutinho and pogba. Coutinho is a good shout for player of the year so far. Pogba nowhere near that discussion.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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And here lies the scouse problem of years gone by. Getting ahead of themselves. We are 9 games in and your shouting Coutinho as POTY. Ffs.
 
TheReligion said:
And here lies the scouse problem of years gone by. Getting ahead of themselves. We are 9 games in and your shouting Coutinho as POTY. Ffs.
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not to mention that Coutinho has had probably as many weak games as good games so far. Hugely inconsistent player.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
not to mention that Coutinho has had probably as many weak games as good games so far. Hugely inconsistent player.
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Spot the guy who hasn't seen him much this season and is going by former seasons for opinion .
 
TheReligion said:
And here lies the scouse problem of years gone by. Getting ahead of themselves. We are 9 games in and your shouting Coutinho as POTY. Ffs.
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No I am not. Go to school and learn to read or something. Ask about qualifiers.
 
Wooly Red said:
Pot calling the kettle black really - all this while you've been trying to drive a narrative that Liverpool fans are deluded (most of us here haven't talked about the title), trying to put us down, and now you've gone on and personally insulted another forum member. And no, that smiley doesn't take the edge off.
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Get a grip!

You lot come on our forum and give it out, Dumbstar and Cassady always on the wind up. Take it when you get it back or feck off elsewhere. Simple.

Klopper is one of the very few who you can actually have a conversation with about the game without the ridiculous subjectivity.

Read through the thread. We were discussing Coutinho and your lot derailed it to start on Pogba. Same old.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
not to mention that Coutinho has had probably as many weak games as good games so far. Hugely inconsistent player.
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He reminds me of Giggs in the latter part of his career. He can literally do very little, but then do something magic (in Coutinho's case that usually means a bloody good shot, in Giggs an exceptional defense splitting pass) and he becomes MOTM. Of the Liverpool games I have seen so far, which is only 6, he has hardly set the world alight. Lallana has been the player who has been more impressive.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
He reminds me of Giggs in the latter part of his career. He can literally do very little, but then do something magic (in Coutinho's case that usually means a bloody good shot, in Giggs an exceptional defense splitting pass) and he becomes MOTM. Of the Liverpool games I have seen so far, which is only 6, he has hardly set the world alight. Lallana has been the player who has been more impressive.
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He has been inconsistent, but this season his overall game has been excellent. His link up play, passing, work ethic has been much better. Added to that the goals he has scored.
The movement and interchange of position between him, Firmino and Mane has played a large part of our good start to the season.
Add Lallana into that and it's a pretty exciting line-up.

Sure it's just a start. He needs to perform at a high level on a consistent basis - however, his performances so far have taken him a step towards that.
 
Scholesy said:
While we are giving Coutinho the POTY award just now, lets just hand Liverpool the title. With a bench like Can and Danny Ings, that is a sign of a title winning squad :wenger:
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Don't forget Origi. YPOTY. Better than Rashford.
SalfordRed1960 said:
He reminds me of Giggs in the latter part of his career. He can literally do very little, but then do something magic (in Coutinho's case that usually means a bloody good shot, in Giggs an exceptional defense splitting pass) and he becomes MOTM. Of the Liverpool games I have seen so far, which is only 6, he has hardly set the world alight. Lallana has been the player who has been more impressive.
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Agreed and thats why he's not a 100m player like some of these characters would have you believe.
 
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