There were quite a few good managers knocking about last season in the PL. Still didn't stop Leicester romping home to the title by 10 clear points. Having more top class managers competing against each other could actually make it easier for sides like Leicester, & a few others, to make a challenge. Because if the top 5 or 6 regularly take points off each other that means a lower points total will be required by the eventual champions.
Liverpool 2016/17 - Performance and chat thread.
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There were quite a few good managers knocking about last season in the PL. Still didn't stop Leicester romping home to the title by 10 clear points. Having more top class managers competing against each other could actually make it easier for sides like Leicester, & a few others, to make a challenge. Because if the top 5 or 6 regularly take points off each other that means a lower points total will be required by the eventual champions.
Wow. You're sort of lucky Skrtel's deal was already finalised. With those two injuries you might've ended up keeping him again. 
That sucks for Gomez, he looked good the first few matches last season.
Hmm, fair enough I suppose. But I still stand by the 5th-7th prediction. I think City/Pep and Arsenal/Wenger are certs for top 4, so Liverpool making top 4 is highly dependant on how Mourinho and Conte settle at their new clubs and Pochettino/Spurs, who I think have better teams than Liverpool. Plus, of course, West Ham and Sir Claudio's Leicester are also in with as good a shout as Liverpool IMO. Liverpool may yet surprise us though, I think Mane and Firmino are very good players and if Sturridge can stay fit, anything is possible. We'll have to wait and see
West Ham and Leicester are both in Europe though. It's going to be a very tough season for both of them and I personally don't see them challenging for Top 4 again this season.Hmm, fair enough I suppose. But I still stand by the 5th-7th prediction. I think City/Pep and Arsenal/Wenger are certs for top 4, so Liverpool making top 4 is highly dependant on how Mourinho and Conte settle at their new clubs and Pochettino/Spurs, who I think have better teams than Liverpool. Plus, of course, West Ham and Sir Claudio's Leicester are also in with as good a shout as Liverpool IMO. Liverpool may yet surprise us though, I think Mane and Firmino are very good players and if Sturridge can stay fit, anything is possible. We'll have to wait and see
West Ham are unlikely to make the group stages of the Europa league.
This Grujic plays like a young Patrick Vieira - altho there were lower levels of spiteful clog, tunnel intimidation & gobbing all over the place during the Fleetwood friendly, obvs.
Anyway, looks worrying promising to me, promising as in 'is going to be playing' I reckon.
Anyway, looks worrying promising to me, promising as in 'is going to be playing' I reckon.
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Why are Liverpool in the 'International Champion's Trophy'? I know it's a made-up pre-season tournament, but still seems odd.
Despite our recent struggles we're still a big crowd puller for both stadiums and TV - bigger than many of the other teams taking part. And that comp is really just friendly warm-ups with a cup at the end and as far as I know no entrance criteria.
There's nothing to fear from Liverpool this season IMO. They couldn't reach the CL and they don't have United/Chelsea/City-level money so it's only going to be harder for them to attract top players. Mané is a good signing I reckon, but their squad overall is still quite average.
I agree Liverpool are a big draw, the name of the tournament is just a tad misleading though
I agree Liverpool are a big draw, the name of the tournament is just a tad misleading though
Kind of like the Champions League
Still haven't signed a left back, a defensive midfielder or another centre back. We are clearly in for Dahoud/Ziellenski and Chillwell after chasing them for the past month or so and it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I think this lack of Champions league football affecting player transfers is also a bullshit excuse as Chelsea just signed Kante and that Belgian forward. If we don't strengthen our midfield at the very least I'll be furious with the club. I think we'll finish 6th place at best if we don't strengthen more.
They should have kept Kolo another season, he always did well when called on for them. Not to mention
It's in the USA so what else is to be expected ? Bit like baseball's World Champions tag for the winners of their domestic league !I agree Liverpool are a big draw, the name of the tournament is just a tad misleading though
I don't want Chilwell (not as a starter) so if that means we switch attention to someone like Hector then that's fine with me (we need a replacement for Moreno, not someone to understudy him and move into the LB slot next season). Zielinski is going to Milan and Dahoud not for sale (after they sold Xhaka to Arsenal) but we have already strengthened our midfield with Grujic and I'm certain there will be another addition - but if you are expecting a DM then you need to study more how Klopp is setting up this team, we don't use a DM but two flexible CMs in front of the back four. If you don't understand the reasons how/why Chelsea have more pulling power than we do then you are beyond help !
This is a brilliant dissection of Klopp's tactics last season (but very very long - there are diagrams though for those suffering from ADD !) and how the team will progress going forward :
http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/07/15/tactical-analysis-jurgen-klopps-liverpool/
http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/07/15/tactical-analysis-jurgen-klopps-liverpool/
Squatting 140 kgs already ?!
Great news that he isn't going to be out for the reported 'up to 9 months' and hopefully back soon. We'll still need another 4th choice CB (get Toure back FFS) as backup !
Great news that he isn't going to be out for the reported 'up to 9 months' and hopefully back soon. We'll still need another 4th choice CB (get Toure back FFS) as backup !
who's the young LB or left MF who played a couple of games, is it Smith? I thought he looked promising
(I saw a Brendan wants Flanno at Celtic rumour,) I think Flanno's OK actually, might do really well if he can stay fit
cannot persist with Moreno at LB surely, even though he has a great left foot & provides pace/power/shanked crosses going forward,
(I saw a Brendan wants Flanno at Celtic rumour,
) I think Flanno's OK actually, might do really well if he can stay fitcannot persist with Moreno at LB surely, even though he has a great left foot & provides pace/power/shanked crosses going forward,
Smith actually isn't that young, just a late bloomer (I think he's 23 or 24). However not goof enough to be the regular LB. We absolutely need a replacement for Moreno as our highest priority now.who's the young LB or left MF who played a couple of games, is it Smith? I thought he looked promising
(I saw a Brendan wants Flanno at Celtic rumour,
cannot persist with Moreno at LB surely, even though he has a great left foot & provides pace/power/shanked crosses going forward,
Flanno has not yet proven he can return from his serious injury - he hasn't looked the same player, even in pre-season games vs. non-league opposition. I hope he can get back to his best, I always really liked him.
So, is the Zielinski transfer still on?
There were reports yesterday that we stopped our pursuit and he's off to AC Milan but nothing confirmed yet. His manager sadi that the player has made his choice, he had his heart set on Liverpool earlier on (rejected Napoli as well) but don't know if that's still the case. Unfortunately I don't think we'll sign him anymore.
We still very much need a LB and a CM so that's what I hope will happen in the next two weeks. Offloading deadwood like Benteke and Balotelli is crucial as well.
Chelsea are palll
If we don't sign Chillwell I don't see us signing another adequate replacement LB. We won't spend the €30 millilon euros Koln want so who else is left? Also I think you got the wrong end of the stick my friend, I obviously know why Chelsea would be a preferable move than Liverpool right now (they won the league only 2 seasons ago and are spending decent money with a good coach). My point was that if owners are really willing to put their hands in their pockets and invest in a good player than it is possible to attract good players even without CL football. Again, I'm not stating that Chelsea and Liverpool are in the same position or anything but hopefully you get my point. I hope I am just being over eager and we end up improving our squad during the next week or so before the Tour.
Benteke can still be useful, in case he stays. But, Balotelli
You guys should try to trick Wenger into buying him or West Ham - both desperate to sign a striker.Going for Winjnaldum now. Looks like their scouting strategy is: Buy any player (from a lower club) who plays well and scores a goal or two against us in the league.
Karius with a Mignolet moment there
The have been shopping in the bargain basement for sometime.
Here's hoping, Mike Ashley for once doesn't become too greedy and let them sign both Winjnaldum and Sissoko for a combined fee of 50m. It'd be a fair deal for both parties!
Liverpool have apparently just signed some 30 year old Estonian centre back.
It seems that yet again they are just using the scatter gun approach with transfers - sign quantity and not quality.
This won't be Klopp's fault. His hands are tied. It's that God awful transfer committee and the 'moneyball' philosophy their owners seem obsessed with.
Yes it makes them money in the long run but they never achieve anything on the pitch where it matters.
It seems that yet again they are just using the scatter gun approach with transfers - sign quantity and not quality.
This won't be Klopp's fault. His hands are tied. It's that God awful transfer committee and the 'moneyball' philosophy their owners seem obsessed with.
Yes it makes them money in the long run but they never achieve anything on the pitch where it matters.
Liverpool legend Jamie Carragher says, 'The players we have signed won't win us titles'
Talking to reporters Carragher said:
"The players coming into the club are not what i will call world class superstars"
"They won't come in from mid table teams and transform Liverpool into a world class team, let's be honest"
"I hope the transfer committee can get it right this time around and buy players that can make an impact in the team and not add to numbers"
Talking to reporters Carragher said:
"The players coming into the club are not what i will call world class superstars"
"They won't come in from mid table teams and transform Liverpool into a world class team, let's be honest"
"I hope the transfer committee can get it right this time around and buy players that can make an impact in the team and not add to numbers"
Doubt they are signing anyone without Klopp's approval
It's alright, Klopp signed a new six year contract. Forget about everything else.
Why not? It resembles his transfer dealings at Dortmund as much as it resembles pre-Klopp Liverpool.
Yes - the new contract has apparently led to a more centralised power structure within the club, and Klopp now is responsible for more or less all footballing decisions.
I like Wijnaldum actually. Good signing for them if they get him.
He's right but what world class players would want to join Liverpool?
Klopp has the final say on transfer. It's why he joined in the first place.
How is it not his fault? But let's also wait and see first how the players do under him. Klopp is capable of getting more out of players.
How is it not his fault? But let's also wait and see first how the players do under him. Klopp is capable of getting more out of players.
So Klopp is now signing a 30-year old Estonian CB which surely flies in the face of 'Klopp only works with young, hungry players' theory!
I know he'll be signed as a back up option but don't tell me there aren't equally good/even better CBs who fall into this 'young, hungry category' out there.
I know he'll be signed as a back up option but don't tell me there aren't equally good/even better CBs who fall into this 'young, hungry category' out there.
I didn't realise that, presumed they still had that dodgy transfer committee.
Why don't they bolster the team with just 2 or 3 genuinely good players instead of this "Let's sign loads of players at 10 million quid each" sillyness.
It never works out for them. New manager, same old Liverpool.
Why don't they bolster the team with just 2 or 3 genuinely good players instead of this "Let's sign loads of players at 10 million quid each" sillyness.
It never works out for them. New manager, same old Liverpool.