Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

So it is Fergusons genius after all and not him buying the premier league in all it's infant years and having the likes of Howard Webb cobbling results together for us, not to mention all those penalties we shouldn't have been given and the extra time minutes the FA granted to United in order for them to overcome opponents.
Ha. Sum of the parts ;)
 
Lot of nonsense talked here.

No direction? Can't even be arsed going in to how that's not true.

We're only spending a lot now to make up for the 20 odd years of underspending. Before this year (a year ago today), Liverpool had spent more than us, so the spending has been quite obviously needed for some time, anybody can see that. How on earth signing top quality players is a negative now, well you'll have to enlighten me.

What's this shit about Liverpool now being the model club? How you're doing things the right way?

Let's compare the teams:

GK: No contest. DDG win.

Now onto defence. So apparently this is our weakest area, we've not strengthened etc., whereas Liverpool have managed to assemble a really strong defence, right?

Manquillo - Lovren - Skrtel - Moreno

VS

Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
In that second one I see two title winners, a WC finalist and a promising, young LB. A back-line we've not been able to play this season, I might add.

Midfield:

Gerrard
Henderson - Allen

VS

Blind
Herrera - Di Maria
Again, we've not been able to play with these three yet. But come on, apart from Henderson, your midfield is very, very average. In our first three games we've played with Fletcher and Cleverley, and Fletcher and Di Maria in a two-man midfield. Getting an idea as to why we're not playing so well?

Attack:

Sterling
Balotelli - Sturridge

VS

Mata - Rooney
Falcao
Sterling is a brilliant player, no doubt there. I rate Sturridge very highly, too. But what they are benefiting from is fully function midfield behind them. I'd love to see how they played with Fletcher and Cleverley behind them.

Basically, my point is that you're talking shit about United not having a 'team'.

This is the team we've played, pretty much, for our first three games:

DDG

Jones - Evans - Blackett
Valencia - Fletcher - Cleverley - Young
Mata
Rooney - RVP
An alien formation, two useless CMs, two shoehorned wingbacks, one completely unfit striker. Do you really expect that team to have come flying out of the blocks? Let's wait until we have a fully-fit squad, shall we? Before casting wild assertions that United are just throwing money around and hoping some shit sticks. We've obviously not done that. Di Maria - unbelievable player. Falcao - same. Mata- same. Herrera - very, very promising CM. Shaw - same. Blind - a very, very solid CDM. Rojo - an athletic, powerful CB.

Oh, and this isn't one of those 'better on paper' arguments. I fully believe that when we have a fully fit squad, and can play our strongest team, we will be better than Liverpool.

I also find it funny that Liverpool fans think they've superseded United, and we'll never be a force again, yet despite this ascension they still aren't title contenders. Lofty ambitions, for sure.
Really?
 
No, and I don't expect Fergie levels of success. But give LVG his due, he's more than proved himself, he's a top, top manager. When you've got Mourinho and Guardiola amongst your proteges, you know you're doing something right. He's from the Ajax School of football, once it clicks, it's going to be very good, especially with some of the players available to him now.

I'd say it's more probable than possible that LVG gets it right. However, I doubt he's ever managed in a league as competitive as the PL, so there are no absolute guarantees. I also doubt he's ever taken over a club so far adrift as United are right now. I'm quite sure we'll hear how we're only 3 games in, so you can't draw any conclusions just yet. & I would fully agree with that. But on the other hand, had United played well, & won those 3 games - as many thought they would do - we'd have no doubt had a lot of people on here seriously banging the big 'United are back' drum.
 
So it is Fergusons genius after all and not him buying the premier league in all it's infant years and having the likes of Howard Webb cobbling results together for us, not to mention all those penalties we shouldn't have been given and the extra time minutes the FA granted to United in order for them to overcome opponents.

WTF are you babbling on about ?
 
The bombastic declarations of having the 'better team when fit' are similar to the stuff we were all reading last season. Laying out Liverpool's XI and sticking the occasional :lol: against a player's name doesn't really wash anymore. Not is it a worthwhile argument. P

Liverpool have now won 14 of their past 17 matches. They are a top side who look in very good shape and managed by a very talented young manager. They play the league's most entertaining football. They have young talent and improve players.

But despite all of the positives many here insist on reducing the squad to a set of half-baked plodders and can't understand why their 'deluded' fans support the proposition that players who play in such a consistently good side are bloody good players.

In fact we are offered United line-ups consisting of players who have never played together and ordered to rate them as a better team despite zero empirical evidence to support this.

This isn't delusion driving Liverpool fans' confidence, it's the consequence of watching your team play very well a lot of times. So, no of course you wouldn't swap Sterling for di Maria or Herrera for Henderson or even RvP for Sturridge. These guys are doing the business more often than not and it's great to watch.
 
WTF are you babbling on about ?
Was just saying earlier how refreshing it is to have Fergusons achievements actually accredited to the great man rather than referees and buying the league, corrupt FA and so on and so forth. Easier to recognise the qualities now he's retired and now that you actually have a decent manager yourself.

On track of thread United do look well on the way to recovery, top manager, top signings and deadwood being moved on. It's not like last year was the norm and we've disintegrated over seasons of neglectful management though, the foundations have been there over two decades, it's actually Liverpool who's green shoots of recovery are most at risk, your not in a position to bully your way out of trouble if some of those uninspiring signings don't hit the heights.
 
The bombastic declarations of having the 'better team when fit' are similar to the stuff we were all reading last season. Laying out Liverpool's XI and sticking the occasional :lol: against a player's name doesn't really wash anymore. Not is it a worthwhile argument. P

Liverpool have now won 14 of their past 17 matches. They are a top side who look in very good shape and managed by a very talented young manager. They play the league's most entertaining football. They have young talent and improve players.

But despite all of the positives many here insist on reducing the squad to a set of half-baked plodders and can't understand why their 'deluded' fans support the proposition that players who play in such a consistently good side are bloody good players.

In fact we are offered United line-ups consisting of players who have never played together and ordered to rate them as a better team despite zero empirical evidence to support this.

This isn't delusion driving Liverpool fans' confidence, it's the consequence of watching your team play very well a lot of times. So, no of course you wouldn't swap Sterling for di Maria or Herrera for Henderson or even RvP for Sturridge. These guys are doing the business more often than not and it's great to watch.

What is doing the business? you had Torres banging in goals left right and centre a couple of years ago and still couldn't win a title. I think that our transfer business has left a big signal of intent. If you think we'll stay shit, you're fecking deluding yourself and that's what you lot are coming across as saying. If we had of signed the players you did, God knows what you'd be spouting. It's always the same.

Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens. I'm positive we'll overtake you again in due time.
 
If you can't see the impediments that United have been faced with over the last year, then, well...
 
They play the league's most entertaining football.
Hmmm. That's more subjective than a fact. L'pool certainly play entertaining football at the back, leaking 50 last season (same as W Ham who finished 13th). Even though we were at 6s and 7s at the back, we only conceded 43. That would make you considerably more leakier at the back than us in my book. Entertaining for sure.
 
The bombastic declarations of having the 'better team when fit' are similar to the stuff we were all reading last season. Laying out Liverpool's XI and sticking the occasional :lol: against a player's name doesn't really wash anymore. Not is it a worthwhile argument. P

Liverpool have now won 14 of their past 17 matches. They are a top side who look in very good shape and managed by a very talented young manager. They play the league's most entertaining football. They have young talent and improve players.

But despite all of the positives many here insist on reducing the squad to a set of half-baked plodders and can't understand why their 'deluded' fans support the proposition that players who play in such a consistently good side are bloody good players.

In fact we are offered United line-ups consisting of players who have never played together and ordered to rate them as a better team despite zero empirical evidence to support this.

This isn't delusion driving Liverpool fans' confidence, it's the consequence of watching your team play very well a lot of times. So, no of course you wouldn't swap Sterling for di Maria or Herrera for Henderson or even RvP for Sturridge. These guys are doing the business more often than not and it's great to watch.

You just got smashed away at Man City.

Your side still needs work and you haven't even played in Europe yet.

You play some nice football but then so do Arsenal. Well done.
 
Hmmm. That's more subjective than a fact. L'pool certainly play entertaining football at the back, leaking 50 last season (same as W Ham who finished 13th). Even though we were at 6s and 7s at the back, we only conceded 43. That would make you considerably more leakier at the back than us in my book.

Not sure why that makes us less entertaining? Agree about it being subjective though, and I don't think it really matters anyway. I enjoy Liverpool's football but I couldn't care less about whether it's more entertaining than other teams.
 
What is doing the business? you had Torres banging in goals left right and centre a couple of years ago and still couldn't win a title. I think that our transfer business has left a big signal of intent. If you think we'll stay shit, you're fecking deluding yourself and that's what you lot are coming across as saying. If we had of signed the players you did, God knows what you'd be spouting. It's always the same.

Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens. I'm positive we'll overtake you again in due time.
When?
 
The bombastic declarations of having the 'better team when fit' are similar to the stuff we were all reading last season. Laying out Liverpool's XI and sticking the occasional :lol: against a player's name doesn't really wash anymore. Not is it a worthwhile argument. P

Liverpool have now won 14 of their past 17 matches. They are a top side who look in very good shape and managed by a very talented young manager. They play the league's most entertaining football. They have young talent and improve players.

But despite all of the positives many here insist on reducing the squad to a set of half-baked plodders and can't understand why their 'deluded' fans support the proposition that players who play in such a consistently good side are bloody good players.

In fact we are offered United line-ups consisting of players who have never played together and ordered to rate them as a better team despite zero empirical evidence to support this.

This isn't delusion driving Liverpool fans' confidence, it's the consequence of watching your team play very well a lot of times. So, no of course you wouldn't swap Sterling for di Maria or Herrera for Henderson or even RvP for Sturridge. These guys are doing the business more often than not and it's great to watch.

You've got no idea how Liverpool are going to perform over the course of the coming season, you've lost the 3rd best player in the world and simply replaced him with a festoon of mediocrity. You've yet to implement your signings into the side fully and of those in Lovren looks shakier than a shitting dog and Markovic looks just what he seems, decent signing.
You talk like were all waiting for you to implode but that's far from the truth were just waiting for a time when both new squads can be assessed fully, in Uniteds case I we've only seen the half of it and in your case I'd say we've seen the best if it. Shaky against a side who you single handedly dismantled in the summer, roundly beaten both tactically and defensively by City and taken apart a Spurs side settling into a new managerial system.

'Calm down' as Harry Enfield would say.
 
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Hmmm. That's more subjective than a fact. L'pool certainly play entertaining football at the back, leaking 50 last season (same as W Ham who finished 13th). Even though we were at 6s and 7s at the back, we only conceded 43. That would make you considerably more leakier at the back than us in my book. Entertaining for sure.
Of course it's subjective.

101 goals. That is all.
 
You've got no idea how Liverpool are going to perform over the course of the coming season, you've lost the 3rd best player in the world and simply replaced him with a festoon of mediocrity. You've yet to implement your signings into the side fully and of those in Lovren looks shakier than a shitting dog and Markovic looks just what he seems, decent signing.
You talk like were all waiting for you to implode but that's far from the truth were just waiting for a time when both new squads can be assessed fully, in Uniteds case I we've only seen the half of it and in your case I'd say we've seen the best if it. Shaky against a side who you single handedly dismantled in the summer, roundly beaten both tactically and defensively by City and taken apart a Spurs side settling into a new managerial system.

'Calm down' as Harry Enfield would say.
Wishful thinking...dominating matters Liverpool on the Caf for a decent amount of time now.
 
Regardless of the brave face they're putting on it, I doubt any Liverpool fans relish the prospect of a debt-free United finally starting to spend like a club of our stature should.

Our own money too. Not some oil wealth, and not bailed out by an American sports investment company.
 
Not sure why that makes us less entertaining? Agree about it being subjective though, and I don't think it really matters anyway. I enjoy Liverpool's football but I couldn't care less about whether it's more entertaining than other teams.

He's saying it makes you more entertaining, especially from a rivals point of view because your defence is shit.
 
The bombastic declarations of having the 'better team when fit' are similar to the stuff we were all reading last season. Laying out Liverpool's XI and sticking the occasional :lol: against a player's name doesn't really wash anymore. Not is it a worthwhile argument. P

Liverpool have now won 14 of their past 17 matches. They are a top side who look in very good shape and managed by a very talented young manager. They play the league's most entertaining football. They have young talent and improve players.

But despite all of the positives many here insist on reducing the squad to a set of half-baked plodders and can't understand why their 'deluded' fans support the proposition that players who play in such a consistently good side are bloody good players.

In fact we are offered United line-ups consisting of players who have never played together and ordered to rate them as a better team despite zero empirical evidence to support this.

This isn't delusion driving Liverpool fans' confidence, it's the consequence of watching your team play very well a lot of times. So, no of course you wouldn't swap Sterling for di Maria or Herrera for Henderson or even RvP for Sturridge. These guys are doing the business more often than not and it's great to watch.
Top Post.

It's simply amazing to read all of these posts claiming our 'delusion' and 'smugness' when it seems that in reality it's arse about tit and that's what the PL has had to put up with for years.
 
You need a comma or something in here to make it legible as I've no idea.
Makes perfect sense. From someone who has no idea about your and you're, I think grammar guidance should be left to others.
 
Top Post.

It's simply amazing to read all of these posts claiming our 'delusion' and 'smugness' when it seems that in reality it's arse about tit and that's what the PL has had to put up with for years.
You've had one good season, qualified for CL and somehow managed to decline your squad :D
United have just signed 2 of the worlds best talents and some really astute signings to accompany them, add to that a proven top tier manager your talking out of your *** you teet :lol:
 
Winning the transfer cup this window has made like the past year never happened.
 
United have better players on paper, this is obvious, and is reflected by their respective salaries, bigger wage budget, better players, on paper.

At the moment Liverpool have a better team, now obviously Liverpool have been as a team for longer, with 8 new players essentially replacing the main star of last season. United are a new team, with 6 new signings, under a new manager. United need time to gel and get players back to fitness before they can prove as a team that they are better than Liverpool, as well as Spurs and Arsenal. Liverpool have to prove they can cope with European football.

Absolutely no point in arguing who has better individuals from a Liverpool point of view firstly because you're probably wrong but more importantly because it doesn't fecking matter.