I was a bit harsh on Sturridge, but I think on form you have to put Giroud in. Yeah, it was tough not putting him in, but even though I'm not the biggest fan of Ozil, he has been immense since the turn of the year and should probably be in the team. The problem is that together the two teams have some very good attacking midfielders, enough so that a three of Sterling - Carzorla - Walcott would also be very good.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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I was a bit harsh on Sturridge, but I think on form you have to put Giroud in. Yeah, it was tough not putting him in, but even though I'm not the biggest fan of Ozil, he has been immense since the turn of the year and should probably be in the team. The problem is that together the two teams have some very good attacking midfielders, enough so that a three of Sterling - Carzorla - Walcott would also be very good.
True enough. I picked...
Sterling Ozil Sanchez
Giroud
But
Carzorla Coutinho Ox
Sturridge
Is also awesome... Theo and Ibe on the bench.
Interesting that you chose Sterling over Coutinho, any particular reason? For me Coutinho has been better than Sterling this season and I don't think that it is obvious who will have the better career overall.
I think I would seriously consider playing Lucas if I was Rodgers. He was very impressive before his injury, and Allen was awful against us (though I know he was good in the few games before that).
Coutinho has been the better player this season, but I prefer him in the #10 position rather than to either side, and Ozil is a better player than Cou is.
Ozil with the pace & trickiness of Sterling & Sanchez either side of him is a frightening prospect. He thrived at Madrid because he could play intelligent balls to pacey players like CR7... It just pains me that, if we do ever see those three together, it'll be at Arsenal
Picking Arsenal to win this one but I would prefer the draw.
Allen's a strange one he's either 9/10 or 3/10, when in reality a player of his skill-set you'd expect to give you a solid 7/10 every week.
Echo :
What effect would Sterling's departure have on Liverpool?
What effect would Sterling's departure have on Liverpool?
- A bit: He's a good young player but we have others in the squad - plus we will have a big fee to spend -
46%
- Not much: We've yet to see him really realise his potential and we have the likes of Jordon Ibe -
29%
- Hard: He's a talented young player and we have yet to see the best of him -
20%
- A catastrophe: You need to keep your best players -
5%
So, effectively Sterling *has* become bigger than the club in your opinion. I can't imagine the great managers of the past letting him get away with that - Shankly, Fergie - or LVG for that matter. Even Tony Pulis put his best player on the bench recently (Berahino) for speaking out of turn.
I'm sure Brendan is bigger than that?
Coutinho has been playing in his favoured position, whereas Sterling has been pushed to wingback and has been moved around.
IMO that's the main reason for Coutinho having a better season (last 3 months, before that Sterling was better).
I was trawling RAWK for purposes of taking the piss & found this, which is an interesting/excellent summary of Raheem-gate, imo
I also had a ponder about my combined Arse/LFC XI, not finalised, but think it might line up 1-9-1 and doesn't have a GK.
He's not done anything that outrageous, to be honest. He's postponed contract talks to the summer (probably to see where we end up), and has yet to say anything disparaging about the club, or said outright he's desperate to leave or whatnot.
If we've got more chance of winning with Rodger's himself playing CB, I want him on the pitch.
Yes, same here.
Arsenal 4:1 Liverpool
Moreno is so bad, it's just sad. Comparisons to Buttner in the summer were not unwarranted I see.
Mentally weak.
Don't see any fight in this team.
Don't see any fight in this team.
Moreno is actually an excellent player and comparisons to Buttner are either uneducated or unwarranted. Was pretty shocking to see one of the Top 5 young leftbacks in Europe join Liverpool last season on the back of one semi-successful season by the latter. Sometimes managers or clubs and players just don't mesh, or certain players can't adapt to new leagues, and that seems to be the case with him at Liverpool. He was actually better for Sevilla than Bernat was for Valencia last season and almst unanimously considered a superior talent, and the latter is having a great season for Bayern. Can totally envision Moreno moving back to La Liga if this continues and recapturing his old form.
Ditto for Manquillo. Another quality talent being wasted.
Ditto for Manquillo. Another quality talent being wasted.
so Arsenal Are ripping them a new one.....and it all started with us schooling them.
very satisfying indeed.
very satisfying indeed.
He really wasn't considered a better talent than Bernat.
I remember people calling Moreno shite well before he signed for Liverpool and plenty of others wanting to sign Bernat ahead of Shaw. He was always seen as a defensive liability but good going forward.
Skrtel, gerrard and moreno have managed to really wreck their season, good job lads.
Bring back Barney!
I wanna hear how actually Sterling / Henderson / random player are 3 of the better players in the pitch and how every criticism of Lvpools performance is misguided if you look really closely.
This summer is really important for Rodgers, if they achieved top 4 in expense of us they'd have sent Uniteds rebuilding back another season.
Now there's nothing stopping our primary targets joining us with CL football, Brendan has to keep pace and so needs more hits in the transfer market.
Which will be harder with no Champions league next season
I wanna hear how actually Sterling / Henderson / random player are 3 of the better players in the pitch and how every criticism of Lvpools performance is misguided if you look really closely.
This summer is really important for Rodgers, if they achieved top 4 in expense of us they'd have sent Uniteds rebuilding back another season.
Now there's nothing stopping our primary targets joining us with CL football, Brendan has to keep pace and so needs more hits in the transfer market.
Which will be harder with no Champions league next season
Neil Ashton commented on Twitter how they looked beat just getting off the coach, their body language suggests they just want to get this season out of the way but they have a top 4 slot to fight for and a possible FA cup semi final I'm surprised by how easy they've given up.
Maybe defeat to us destroyed them psychologically.
Nope. Not only was Moreno consistently good for Sevilla whenever I watched him, he was almost unanimously considered a superior player on most Spanish football forums, which really is the best gauge for the respective abilities of these players since they watch them on a more regular basis to form an educated opinion.
Which people ? The type who called Herrera the Spanish Cleverley or nothing but a number 10 in the summer, or Blind an average left back plonker ? If so, I'd take their opinion with a grain of salt. As an example - someone else would call Alba a defensive liability by their standards. But he is largely a quality player for Barcelona and suits their playing style almost to a tee, which is really what matters at the end of the day. Moreno isn't responding well to Rodgers' system, but that doesn't mean he should be equated with Buttner, he was up there with Alaba (when he played there), Rodriguez, Kurzawa, Shaw as one of the top 4 or 5 young left-backs in Europe last season.
Disagree with pretty much all of that. I saw Moreno twice last season and he was horseshit on both occasions while Bernat always looked a lot more assured of himself.
Blaming the manager for Moreno's form is a silly. He was crap when they played 4 at the back and he's been crap since they have played 3 at the back. Can't blame Rodgers for him defending like a naive school boy.
Blaming the manager for Moreno's form is a silly. He was crap when they played 4 at the back and he's been crap since they have played 3 at the back. Can't blame Rodgers for him defending like a naive school boy.
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These comparisons with Buttner are a bit harsh. Buttner wasn't this shit.
Remembering when they used to call Joe Allen "the Welsh Xavi". 
Moreno was definitely more highly rated than Bernat last season. He was one of the most highly rated youngsters in Spain. With all due respect, forming an opinion on his performances last year based on two games is scandalous.
The difference between the two is Bernat has kicked on when many thought he wasn't good enough for Bayern while Moreno has regressed from the sort of form that made Real Madrid interested.
I've watched last 15 minutes and I think I saw at least 5 attempts of Scholes esque volleys/shots from the edge of box and of course they all failed, it was hilarious to watch. Has that something their whole team worked on training recently, some kind of masterplan from Rodgers?
I think it definitely took something out of them. They look flat.
Can out of the Blackburn game as well.
Gestede should have some fun!
Gestede should have some fun!
Brendan's Bottlers.
The slightest hint of pressure, fold.
The slightest hint of pressure, fold.
Rodgers' record in "big" games can't be very good.
Has anyone got the stats? Would be good to see.
That gimp Henderson..
Someone posted them earlier, they were awful.
Man United
2-1 loss home
3-0 loss away
Arsenal
2-2 draw home
4-1 loss away
Chelsea
2-1 loss home
Away yet to be played
Man City
2-1 win home
3-1 loss away
Spurs
3-2 win home
3-0 win away
Southampton
2-1 win home
2-0 win away
Everton
1-1 draw home
0-0 draw away
5 wins, 3 draws and 5 losses
Ming : 7.5 - aside from setting up the wall and his positioning for the FK goal, he was totally solid.
Moreno - 6.5 - a much much better 2nd half but I was worried about him defensively before both the United game and this one, and in both an error has confirmed that concern.
Sakho - 6.5 a couple of dodgy moments, and a silly tackle midfield to give away the FK, but otherwise did OK.
Toure - 6 - a bit rusty but still looked better as the game went on
Can - 6.5 - silly silly boy
Lucas - 5 - well off the pace after a few months out but improved as the game went on
Allen - 3 - utter shite
Hendo - 3 - utter shite (captain ? I'm not even sure he's worth a place in the team).
Coutinho - 6 - the magic feet didn't work so well today
Markovic - 6.5 - I was disappointed he was taken off, that pass to Sterling aside he was more direct and played some intelligent passes. If only.
Sterling - 6 - for 130k you have to show far more than this.
Sturridge - 6 - really he had nothing to work with as our midfield was so shite
Overall we have looked poor for a few weeks, gone is the one touch, confident, football and it's been replaced by hesitant, slow, 3-4 touch, shite.
Moreno - 6.5 - a much much better 2nd half but I was worried about him defensively before both the United game and this one, and in both an error has confirmed that concern.
Sakho - 6.5 a couple of dodgy moments, and a silly tackle midfield to give away the FK, but otherwise did OK.
Toure - 6 - a bit rusty but still looked better as the game went on
Can - 6.5 - silly silly boy
Lucas - 5 - well off the pace after a few months out but improved as the game went on
Allen - 3 - utter shite
Hendo - 3 - utter shite (captain ? I'm not even sure he's worth a place in the team).
Coutinho - 6 - the magic feet didn't work so well today
Markovic - 6.5 - I was disappointed he was taken off, that pass to Sterling aside he was more direct and played some intelligent passes. If only.
Sterling - 6 - for 130k you have to show far more than this.
Sturridge - 6 - really he had nothing to work with as our midfield was so shite
Overall we have looked poor for a few weeks, gone is the one touch, confident, football and it's been replaced by hesitant, slow, 3-4 touch, shite.
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