Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

gasmanc said:
Mata and Sterlings style of play is not even remotely comparable, the end. That you would take Sterling over Di Maria simply underlines how biased and impossible it is to have a reasoned discussion with you.
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And vice versa. Anyone not agreeing with you is deemed 'unreasonable' :lol:

Seems you just haven't seen Sterling play at #10 so you just can't fathom it.

You are taking a high quality mature pro (Di Maria) over potential, some would some wouldn't, I imagine all Mancs would, naturally. Seriously, is it really that hard for you to imagine why Liverpool fans would stick with a 19 yo who is already one of the best players in the league and seemingly has unlimited potential ?
 
gasmanc said:
Europe will bring wear and tear and that's not just to players bodies, confidence and tired minds are also key players during a long season. Results in Europe will impact the squad and a lesson from Madrid or elsewhere won't help especially when you factor in a forward line with "English mentality".
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Yep, like last Autumn, the impending slump into abject misery and doom is just around the corner for Liverpool. A few thrashings by Real, an injured front-line and being generally 'found out' is a matter of games away - just around the corner - imminent - soon...
 
As for Di Maria and Sterling. I'd take Di Maria at Liverpool in a heartbeat but you would always choose a player of Sterling's potential over a player who may well leave in a couple of years and cost teh earth. That doesn't mean that Sterling is better than Di Maria it just means that having youth players burst through is pretty much the most satisfying thing a fan can see rather than buying in a finished product. When that player is as good as Sterling why would you wish for an older replacement?

It's not so much a comparison of talent but a comparison of career stage and starting points - in that sense Sterling would always be favoured.
 
PickledRed said:
Yep, like last Autumn, the impending slump into abject misery and doom is just around the corner for Liverpool. A few thrashings by Real, an injured front-line and being generally 'found out' is a matter of games away - just around the corner - imminent - soon...
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Your forgetting a key component from last season has been removed and a lot of your front line is now English.

We all patiently await the scouse claims you wouldn't take Falcao over Sturridge though.
 
PickledRed said:
As for Di Maria and Sterling. I'd take Di Maria at Liverpool in a heartbeat but you would always choose a player of Sterling's potential over a player who may well leave in a couple of years and cost teh earth. That doesn't mean that Sterling is better than Di Maria it just means that having youth players burst through is pretty much the most satisfying thing a fan can see rather than buying in a finished product. When that player is as good as Sterling why would you wish for an older replacement?

It's not so much a comparison of talent but a comparison of career stage and starting points - in that sense Sterling would always be favoured.
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Indeed. Di María is better than Sterling at the minute but there's no way I'd consider swapping Sterling for him (or pretty much anyone).
 
gasmanc said:
We all patiently await the scouse claims you wouldn't take Falcao over Sturridge though.
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Let him prove his worth in this league first, eh?

Feels like pre-season all over this.
 
B20 said:
Let him prove his worth in this league first, eh?

Feels like pre-season all over this.
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It won't take long either way, Van Persies proven himself over and over in this league but it still doesn't avert this obsession with Liverpool having better players than United in every position.
 
gasmanc said:
It won't take long either way, Van Persies proven himself over and over in this league but it still doesn't avert this obsession with Liverpool having better players than United in every position.
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And yet, Sturridge has a better goal ratio since signing for liverpool. Both in the half season when he first joined and last season.

I am not trying to make out he is neccesarily better. But he's been performing better than Van Persie since he joined us. And looks like a better fit for out system. So no, I don't think swapping him for Van Persie would improve us over the course of this season. I expect Sturridge to outscore him once again this season.
 
Our "2nd XI " based on yesterday's team selection is...............

...................................Jones..................................
Flanagan.............Skrtel............Toure................Enrique
Markovic...........Can............Coutinho............Lallana
..........................Lambert......Borini.................................

With Suso, Glenjo and Lucas on the bench. Of course we'll probably sell / loan a few of those today (bolded), however our strength in depth is pretty impressive and the prefect riposte to the 'Euro' jibes re. affecting our PL form.
 
B20 said:
And yet, Sturridge has a better goal ratio since signing for liverpool. Both in the half season when he first joined and last season.

I am not trying to make out he is neccesarily better. But he's been performing better than Van Persie since he joined us. And looks like a better fit for out system. So no, I don't think swapping him for Van Persie would improve us over the course of this season. I expect Sturridge to outscore him once again this season.
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Van Persies season under Ferguson was mind blowing and not just for volume of goals, his insistence on dragging us to the title with vital goals at vital times is what stands him out. Ask any Arsenal fan the value of his input even when a team isn't at it's best. Sturridge has had the benefit of playing within a team in form, championship form, Van Persies supply has dried up no small thanks to Moyes appointment and his stale draconian football but yet he still manages to find the net.
We've already had Sterling > Di Maria > Mata.
Next it will be Balotelli > Falcao I often wonder if the Mersey seeps straight into the tap water.
 
gasmanc said:
Van Persies season under Ferguson was mind blowing and not just for volume of goals, his insistence on dragging us to the title with vital goals at vital times is what stands him out. Ask any Arsenal fan the value of his input even when a team isn't at it's best. Sturridge has had the benefit of playing within a team in form, championship form, Van Persies supply has dried up no small thanks to Moyes appointment and his stale draconian football but yet he still manages to find the net.
We've already had Sterling > Di Maria > Mata.
Next it will be Balotelli > Falcao I often wonder if the Mersey seeps straight into the tap water.
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Lovely. Congratulations on beating us in the on-paper-league. And also, for taking home the pre-season trophy, which I admit I failed to properly acknowledge at the time.

Next month is your month? ;)
 
B20 said:
Lovely. Congratulations on beating us in the on-paper-league. And also, for taking home the pre-season trophy, which I admit I failed to properly acknowledge at the time.

Next month is your month? ;)
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I think it's the month after the month after that, and you quote LVG on that.
 
Rafateria said:
Are you being serious ?! Lambert any day of the week.
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Except Saturday and Sundays ;)

Seriously though are any of you scousies feeling a little concerned at Uniteds spending ? Reality is that under FFP United can now blow almost anyone out of the water in the transfer market including City and Chelsea and all but Madrid across Europe. It must at least a tiny bit disconcerting now that they're actually flexing the financial muscle again. City propelled themselves to the top under Mark Hughes and eventually Mancini, not the greatest managerial weapons of all time huh, United on the other hand have the finances and the quality of manager now in place.
 
Hello ! Hellooo ?! Fcks going on yoos are usually round this thread like flies on shit. Must be something I've said :smirk:
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I'm working FFS ! Got to pay the bills ;)

gasmanc said:
Except Saturday and Sundays ;)

Seriously though are any of you scousies feeling a little concerned at Uniteds spending ? Reality is that under FFP United can now blow almost anyone out of the water in the transfer market including City and Chelsea and all but Madrid across Europe. It must at least a tiny bit disconcerting now that they're actually flexing the financial muscle again. City propelled themselves to the top under Mark Hughes and eventually Mancini, not the greatest managerial weapons of all time huh, United on the other hand have the finances and the quality of manager now in place.
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Yes.

But it isn't a surprise since we (well I am for one) well aware of the incredible income due from the likes of Chevrolet and Adidas (see, that's why I'm on this site - not just to make your life a living hell) so it was only a matter of time before United started throwing it about. I imagine United's start to the season (and RvP's injury) has panicked LvG into thinking he needs to splash it now. However so far it's not done much to actually strengthen the weakest areas of the squad. You already had an excellent attack so Falcao over RvP isn't a massive improvement (if at all considering RvP knows this league and the defenders so well) though Di Maria is a massive step up on Young/Wellbeck whoever he's replacing. Of course when RvP returns (January) then your back up position will be stronger.
However I can't help thinking that buying utility players (Blind & Rojo) instead of out and out specialists such as Vidal is a mistake but I guess LcG just wants to strengthen the squad depth and get rid of a few he really doesn't want at the club.

So in attack until January not much has changed with the Falcao loan (is he biding his time until RM come in for him next Summer ?) and those gaps in midfield and defence are still ominous as recent outings have shown.

The other thing I'd mention is that buys like Di Maria / Blind and Rojo (even though I don't think the later two are top class) are buys for the future, whereas Falcao, at 28, is really more of a stop-gap.
 
As someone on an LFC forum beautifully put it:

Getting in Di Maria and Falcao is like giving a heart attack patient a fake pair of tits.
 
That must be scouse humour, it's nearly as poor as your defence.

Blind can play DM as well as cover other positions and is an upgrade on Fletcher. You've also forgotten Herrera @Rafateria (make a habit of conveniently forgetting our players exist don't you) ;) who is also an upgrade on Anderson lol and Cleverley lol.
So yea another post of utter bullshit from you.
 
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gasmanc said:
Except Saturday and Sundays ;)

Seriously though are any of you scousies feeling a little concerned at Uniteds spending ? Reality is that under FFP United can now blow almost anyone out of the water in the transfer market including City and Chelsea and all but Madrid across Europe. It must at least a tiny bit disconcerting now that they're actually flexing the financial muscle again. City propelled themselves to the top under Mark Hughes and eventually Mancini, not the greatest managerial weapons of all time huh, United on the other hand have the finances and the quality of manager now in place.
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I'm just glad that United have emerged from the Ferguson years without clear direction or vision - you don't enter the last day of the window splashing bundles if you have those elements in place. Huge money signings, swollen squad, overrated players and a lack of desire on the pitch would suggest to me that the spell has been well and truly broken. United have become just another money-bags club. The Ferguson model of squad modifications, shrewd signings and avoiding a galactico obsession has been binned. United find themselevs on the last day of the transfer window with a squad that lacks any balance and an average rearguard.

The cohesion and improvements Liverpool have been showing over the past 18 months represent an antithesis of what has taken place at United in the same period. For well over a year I have been reading how Liverpool are full of average players and average signings - all of a sudden the true value of a good team is what it looks like on a piece of paper. Who cares if the likes of Mata never turns up, he's better than all those Liverpool plodders who play really well but didn't cost almost £40m.

Fact is, the very things that United were critical of about City, Chelsea and even Liverpool have all of sudden become the modus operandi at a club that is being run very strangely right now.

So no, not that bovved...
 
PickledRed said:
I'm just glad that United have emerged from the Ferguson years without clear direction or vision - you don't enter the last day of the window splashing bundles if you have those elements in place.
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Louis van Gaal is a manager known to not have a clear direction or vision...

Also, he said he wanted to assess the squad before making decisions and that he was not worried about buying late in the transfer window because it takes him only 24 hours to buy a player.

Furthermore, times change, managers change, CEO's change and with it the business philosophy also changes. To live in the past is to be dead, the club are adapting and the board are adapting, to change with change is the desired state and that's exactly what Manchester United seem to be doing.

Besides, if Louis van Gaal rates a player and he becomes available then it would be foolish not to buy no matter when it is. He has stated time again that people are not listening to him because he keeps saying players will not be bought due to results, they are bought to improve his selection.

If the man thinks Falcao is better than Welbeck or Hernandez then respect his judgement but you can also disagree however time will tell whether he is right.
 
gasmanc said:
That must be scouse humour, it's nearly as poor as your defence.

Blind can play DM as well as cover other positions and is an upgrade on Fletcher. You've also forgotten Herrera @Rafateria (make a habit of conveniently forgetting our players exist don't you) ;) who is also an upgrade on Anderson lol and Cleverley lol.
So yea another post of utter bullshit from you.
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Being an upgrade on Fletcher, Cleverly and Anderson is really something isn't it. You must be really fecking thrilled :D

Interesting you of all people calling my posts BS though .. a quick check and I see I have 10 Likes from 1,800 posts whereas you have 11 from 6,400. #Substance over #Quantity. Gas really is the perfect moniker for you :)
 
Dumbstar said:
As someone on an LFC forum beautifully put it:

Getting in Di Maria and Falcao is like giving a heart attack patient a fake pair of tits.
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I must admit this made me laugh a lot :lol:
 
What pickle head is trying to say is that you build slowly, not by spending millions of pounds on top tier players under a manager who's whole philosophy is built on clear concise ideas.
What we should actually be doing is selling our superstars and replacing them with overrated English dross and a serial nutcase simply because we can't afford to do it any other way.
The bold point is what's up the scouse arses here.

I wonder at what point in this thread/transfer window these same posters had Liverpool in for Falcao and rubbing each other's cocks over him. A
 
Rafateria said:
Being an upgrade on Fletcher is really something isn't it. You must be really fecking thrilled :D

Interesting you of all people calling my posts BS though .. a quick check and I see I have 10 Likes from 1,800 posts whereas you have 11 from 6,400. #Substance over #Quantity. Gas really is the perfect moniker for you :)
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So your reason for posting here is to get likes?
 
Empire said:
So your reason for posting here is to get likes?
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One has to wonder how you came to that conclusion based on the post I was responding to. Would you care to enlighten us as to what those little great cells of yours were up to ?
 
Rafateria said:
Being an upgrade on Fletcher is really something isn't it. You must be really fecking thrilled :D

Interesting you of all people calling my posts BS though .. a quick check and I see I have 10 Likes from 1,800 posts whereas you have 11 from 6,400. #Substance over #Quantity. Gas really is the perfect moniker for you :)
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You came in after the "likes" system was relaxed quite significantly noob. They're getting promoted like wildfire these days, back in my time a like was like a fecking unicorn horn on here.

Now ist quantity over substance with regards to posters, your a perfect example in this case, if you don't believe me just ask around.
Oh and cheers I thought I still had 10 likes and your spot on, guess what else, I got it in a Liverpool thread :)
 
Rafateria said:
One has to wonder how you came to that conclusion based on the post I was responding to. Would you care to enlighten us as to what those little great cells of yours were up to ?
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I asked you a question yet you reply without even answering it.

I just don't see the quality post here...

"#Substance over #Quantity."
 
gasmanc said:
You came in after the "likes" system was relaxed quite significantly noob. They're getting promoted like wildfire these days, back in my time a like was like a fecking unicorn horn on here.
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Not being very astute are we there Gas.
 
gasmanc said:
What pickle head is trying to say is that you build slowly, not by spending millions of pounds on top tier players under a manager who's whole philosophy is built on clear concise ideas.
What we should actually be doing is selling our superstars and replacing them with overrated English dross and a serial nutcase simply because we can't afford to do it any other way.
The bold point is what's up the scouse arses here.

I wonder at what point in this thread/transfer window these same posters had Liverpool in for Falcao and rubbing each other's cocks over him. A
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Overrated English dross - who? Sturridge, Henderson and Sterling have been good or very good this season. Is Lallana dross? No. So, who?

Liverpool needed a striker, so Falcao was a good option. United have Rooney, Mata and RvP clogging up the top of the field. Who will miss out.

Essentially, if spending huge sums is the end goal then United have just won the Wolrd Cup. However, if it's building a team then it's not quite so clear. As for LvG. He's overseen some of the worst football United have played in living memory, yet there's relatively few people blaming him. "He'll get it right" is the refrain, but when is less obvious.
 
Empire said:
I asked you a question yet you reply without even answering it.

I just don't see the quality post here...

"#Substance over #Quantity."
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I wasn't referring to this recent exchange of fire. I was talking historically. If you follow the thread back a few posts it all becomes clear as day.
 
PickledRed said:
He's overseen some of the worst football United have played in living memory, yet there's relatively few people blaming him. "He'll get it right" is the refrain, but when is less obvious.
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When he's spent another £200m on Galacticos perhaps ?
 
Rafateria said:
Not being very astute are we there Gas.
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"Like" I said ask around, don't take my word for it, you would still be revelling in the newbies under the old system because your posts are all geared towards an agenda, it's simply impossible to have a reasoned debate with you.
Manchester United have strengthened this Summer despite your ridiculous counter claims, Van Gaal being the largest upgrade, yes it's not to difficult to upgrade on Fletcher but we have and any CM signing is an upgrade on the bollox we've had to put up with and that bollox alone is the perfect example of just how good Robin Van Persie is, we have Di Maria brought in who would upgrade any squad in this league and similarly Falcao, who if I search hard enough I am sure I will find you chasing his signature in the thread.
They are fachts rafa along with it being a downgrade to sell possibly the World number 3 and replace him with Mario Ballotelli, Adam Lallana and Rickie pissing Lambert :lol:
 
Rafateria said:
I wasn't referring to this recent exchange of fire. I was talking historically. If you follow the thread back a few posts it all becomes clear as day.
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I'm just saying, I asked you a question and then instead of answering the question you tried to insult me.

Maybe implying your posts are of a higher quality than other posters isn't the way to go?
 
Also I don't understand, you guys seem to be implying we are spending too much and the way to build a team is not to buy players like Angel di Maria or Falcao for high amounts but instead to buy players that fit a vision even if those players are only average to good or thereabouts.

And then you seem to be implying Blind is only average to good and not what we need yet Louis van Gaal has bought him not to be a key player but to serve a specific function in his vision.

So which is it?

It's possible Louis van Gaal knows what he is doing but also in the past he has not had as much control over transfers so it is also possible he will make errors. Only time will tell, as fans all we can do is hope for a top manager and a board that backs the manager.
 
PickledRed said:
Overrated English dross - who? Sturridge, Henderson and Sterling have been good or very good this season. Is Lallana dross? No. So, who?

Liverpool needed a striker, so Falcao was a good option. United have Rooney, Mata and RvP clogging up the top of the field. Who will miss out.

Essentially, if spending huge sums is the end goal then United have just won the Wolrd Cup. However, if it's building a team then it's not quite so clear. As for LvG. He's overseen some of the worst football United have played in living memory, yet there's relatively few people blaming him. "He'll get it right" is the refrain, but when is less obvious.
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Overrated English dross, that pretty much sums up any of our England team and you can add the old and the new captain on that list too, Rickie Lambert :lol:

You think after 3 games and the cowardly mentality that Moyes brought to the club we should blame Van Gaal ? Did you blame Rodgers for the poor starting results after the Hodgson debacle ? No. You let him implement his plan and saw the way it was going, Van Gaal is plotting away all the time and the signing of Di Maria was a required one given the state of our wide options, Falcao not so obvious but with RVP in for knee surgery and a World Class forward available then it does make more sense, especially if the Van Persie injury is serious or if (I do hope) he has plans to do away with Rooney. He's strengthened midfield, defence and LB, he's strengthened our wide options and given us a tactically astute, intelligent DM who understands his system.
Just because you cant' see Van Gaals plans does make them non existent, I would imagine he could sit you down and explain them all to you and how his system uses the covering and exploitation of spaces on the field to gain advantages and how certain players, sometimes unexpected ones fit his system, I imagine after all that explanation you still wouldn't get it because his understanding of the game is a few levels above yours or mine, he might even have the tactical edge on @Rafateria on a good day.

As an aside, spending huge sums of money just works generally ask any Chelsea, PSG or City fan, it just fails when you spend it all on dross like Benitez did.
 
Empire said:
I'm just saying, I asked you a question and then instead of answering the question you tried to insult me.

Maybe implying your posts are of a higher quality than other posters isn't the way to go?
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In Liverpool your man there would be referred to as a 'divvie', a harmless conjurer of nonsense and bullshite, I reckon he's been watching to many Brendan Rodgers interviews, most likely in full kit.
 
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