Yeah, it may be early season and a lot will change, but even then this Liverpool side just looks streaks ahead of us as a team. They play good football, but also know how to play together and don't particularly seem lost as a team. While things can change, I'm struggling to see us finishing ahead of them this year.
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Yeah, it may be early season and a lot will change, but even then this Liverpool side just looks streaks ahead of us as a team. They play good football, but also know how to play together and don't particularly seem lost as a team. While things can change, I'm struggling to see us finishing ahead of them this year.
Odd response, not sure what you're getting at.
You would have to turn it around earlier, Moreno, Lovren, Sakho, Gerrard are better than the players we have.
I'm inclined to agree, I don't think Sturridge is a better player but he has pace and strength that would suit the system we're trying to implement perfectly, Henderson is a no-brainer and I'd take Sterling in a heartbeat.
We've barely seen Shaw play for us so how can you possibly say he's better?
I'm basing things on last season, imo Moreno atm is better but he wont be for long.
Chelsea, Liverpool and City wont be great the whole season, especially not Arsenal, they'll have their defeats, crisis and slip ups. I'm sure we'll be better and improve.
Don't know how much time it will take but I'm sure we'll make the 4th place, at least we'll fight for it.
You can see a glimpse after 4 matches sure but you can't make any assumptions on the whole season basing it on those 4 matches.
This is the weird confidence that I saw last season, how can you be sure we'll make 4th, we have showed literally nothing to even say we'll reach top10 (which I think we will of course). As long as LVG plays 352 we wont reach top4 I reckon, he has had literally one good match since 352 and that was Holland vs Spain. I'm not so confident as you guys are.
Great way to bounce back after the Monday night disaster. I was fearing the worst today to be honest with the makeshift backfour today, and Spurs have looked impressive so far. Still a few errors and miscommunication lapses between our centre back partnership, but finally a clean sheet! Away from home!
Keeping Sterling, Henderson and Sturridge fit for the season are key for us when it comes to creating chances and scoring goals, especially Sterling.
Keeping Sterling, Henderson and Sturridge fit for the season are key for us when it comes to creating chances and scoring goals, especially Sterling.
Why does it matter whether it's May yet, to make fun of a bloke who said there was no way United are finishing behind Liverpool or Arsenal.
Ok I'm not sure but I think we can improve.
Sure we haven't been good, quite the contrary but we have many injuries and I'm sure when they come back LVG will make us play and look better.
You saw a weird confidence last season but last season we had Moyes.
Lot of ifs, as I said season has barely started.
Anyway this is a Liverpool thread, lets not get too far away with this.
The people who were writing Liverpool off, and claiming that we'd easily replace them in the top 4 are already starting to look very silly.
I'd put good money on Liverpool finishing ahead of us.
I'd put good money on Liverpool finishing ahead of us.
Oh. Yeah work away mate, just keep in mind that football changes like the weather.
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I would be looking for 16 or 18 points from this next run. We have a chance to build a bit of momentum after the international break.
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I would be looking for 16 or 18 points from this next run. We have a chance to build a bit of momentum after the international break.
If you're basing it on last season then you should know Moreno was quite poor and Shaw was comfortably the better player last season.
EDIT: it was the 2012/2013 season Moreno was very good.
Lovren, Gerrard, Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling would all walk into our side and they've better quality on the bench too with the likes of Lallana and Coutinho over Antonio fecking Valencia. I don't think they're bothered by us at all as a rival this season to be honest.
Usually it goes pear shaped when you spend 100m on 10 different players, but Liverpool seem to have done well.
None of them are yet, see where we stand by November and then maybe they'll be worried as we'll have a fully fit team with an actual midfield.
Other players will be injured and players will reinjure themselves.
They have a good coach who has clear ideas, who uses the best players he has and more than anything they apply the basics of football (pass and movement) very well unlike Utd which a team made with zombies.
I doubt anyone has held that view for more than a year.
Lots of people have been going on like that this summer, with resultantly assured pronouncements that there was no way we'd finish above you, hardly even rivals, etc.
Same could happen to other rivals, I didn't bother factoring it in as there's no way to tell. With a fully fit squad we could make a challenge for fourth, providing maybe 1/2 signings in January.
Lots of people? I think you're talking about a tiny minority of the caf here. Most feel we'll find it very difficult to get top four over you.
I know most expected United to finish ahead of Liverpool comfortably enough, but I still doubt that many were arguing that Sterling and Henderson wouldn't have been massive improvements on our options.
Very pleased with the performance today. Sterling and especially Alberto Moreno were great, think bar one bad mistake last game Moreno has been superb for us. Adds so much more to the team than José Enrique.
I think you'll find if you check that pre-season thread on what the Top 6 will look like then the majority had United down as 3rd/4th with most feeling Liverpool will finish 5th/6th. Still it's a long season and the CL hasn't started for us yet.
Indeed. He was MoM for me today (2. Sterling 3. Sturridge 4. Lovren)
Didn't do a poll exactly, but yeah I'd say lots. Journos too, tbf.
Admittedly, people like Cranium who went fishing with how he didn't see a single player he'd want at United, how we weren't even going to be rivals for top 4, etc were few.
Cinas right, it has been a minority but a very loud and now quickly disappearing one. Take a boo Richard Cranium, pogue, Thisistheone, gasmanc, etc.
United fans showing a more favourable and optimistic outcome for their own club?
I mean, the absolute arrogance of it all.
When Liverpool fans do it, its delusion based on zero facts followed by a meltdown. How do you fans on here put it so succinctly: boom - bust?
Where has that bubble gone by the way?
it's delusion on Pool fans behalf because for the last ten, no, 15 years you've made ridiculous claims, last year one finally came true. All Utd fans are saying is that we can fight to get into top four (or, at least, the sane ones). It's hardly an outlandish claim, or delusion. Delusion would be claiming we will win the PL, and I'm sure a few have said that, but feck all.When Liverpool fans do it, its delusion based on zero facts followed by a meltdown. How do you fans on here put it so succinctly: boom - bust?
Where has that bubble gone by the way?
Yeah was hoping they'd go the way of Spurs last season spending their Suarez money but gotta admit, they're looking good right now. Really thought they'd struggle this year sans Suarez but their squad has undoubtedly been strengthened for their additional CL matches. I think Moreno cost them only £12 million, who could turn out to be an absolute steal. Very impressed with what I've seen from him so far. The Welbeck-Sturridge and Januzaj-Sterling comparisons are looking rather silly now.
Long season ahead my man and if Arsenal don't sign a striker sharpish we might not need to get in front of you either way. First third of our season is already a write off but it's the last third where it will be telling.
I don't think the difference in quality is as big as is being made out. They've got some good players but the main difference right now is that they play as a coherent team, whereas we lack any fluidity or confidence whatsoever.
I could see us moving to a diamond system in the next few weeks and if you compare the two teams then in terms of quality I think United have an edge.
I could see us moving to a diamond system in the next few weeks and if you compare the two teams then in terms of quality I think United have an edge.
Mignolet
Manquillo -- Lovren - Skrtel-- Moreno
Henderson - Gerrard - Lallana
Sterling
Balotelli - Sturridge
Manquillo -- Lovren - Skrtel-- Moreno
Henderson - Gerrard - Lallana
Sterling
Balotelli - Sturridge
De Gea
Rafael -- Jones - Rojo -- Shaw
Herrera - Blind - Di Maria
Mata
Rooney - Van Persie
Rafael -- Jones - Rojo -- Shaw
Herrera - Blind - Di Maria
Mata
Rooney - Van Persie
I would actually take RVP out of there and play Wellbeck in the left, take Mata out and play Di Maria and have Carrick - Herrera sat in front of Blind. It's more pacey and more balanced than anything we've had in about 3 years.
Fair enough mate, I definitely wouldn't move Di Maria or drop Mata. Fair call on swapping Van Persie for Welbeck, I can sympathise with your views there as that front three does lack pace.
That position for Di Maria on the left of the diamond is absolutely perfect for him though. He suits that hybrid left central midfield position much more than a #10, really he was the best in that position in world football last season.
I don't think Carrick suits any position in that team except at the base of the diamond i.e. where Gerrard plays for 'Pool and where Blind is pencilled in for United. He doesn't have the energy to play as one of the side central midfielders, physically it is a very demanding position.
Be very interesting now with VP looking like being out for a knee op and pea off on loan, I think Wellbeck will get a run and it could just reopen the Sturridge v Wellbeck debate.
As for Carrick/Di Maria your right but Di Maria had an outstanding year mopping up behind Ronaldo and Benzema last season, probably his best yet and it would bring the pace in the front 3 to epic levels. Probably a discussion best for a different thread so back on track, Sterling, Sturridge, Henderson would likely start in our system now we've seen it's shortcomings and I'm not sure anyone else would.
Yep back on track, really I would probably take Sterling and Sturridge - but even then, an on form RvP is better than Sturridge for me and an on form Mata is better than Sterling.
I wouldn't take Henderson as first choice - Herrera and Di Maria are better options there. Maybe Lovren for Jones? About it really. Not much is it.