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Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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I'm going to cross-post this here from the match thread.
Well my 2-1 prediction was a goal out but I wasn't at all too dismayed with that at all. It showed that City, playing the same team from last season, have a settled side that works extremely well. It was really too early for us to be playing them with the changes we've made. Our defence cost us two goals but when you have two players not only new to the team but one of them just off the plane then it was no surprise they came unstuck.
Can't blame Lovren for the 3rd, a sensational pass from Navas and not many CBs could outpace Aguero over 20m, I do blame Ming for leaving a gap at his near post that a double decker could have squeezed through though.
The first showed the lack of playing time (both together and for Moreno). The 2nd was just brilliant and impossible to stop. However there are no surprises when you look at that City attack.
In midfield we did very well and we didn't lose out to a powerful City midfield. Our passing all over the pitch was slick and accurate. Allen was superb but ran himself into the ground. Henderson had an off day for sure, as did Coutinho & Sterling. Sturridge was Studge, quiet most of the time and then explodes into action. We maybe saw some nervousness from new players (Moreno & Lambert) who both laid the ball off when they had great chances 1 on 1 and should have buried it themselves ! Henderson wasted two golden opportunities when behind the City defence, both times when it should have been first time across goal he took 2-3 touches and the opportunities were gone.
Markovic made his debut and shows great promise (as does Moreno once he gets that defensive side sorted). Manquillo should have started - Johnson was abysmal in the final ¼ of the pitch. We have pace to burn all over.
Here are the stats pretty much underlining that we played very well most of the game, just a couple of defensive slips by a new defence against the best attack in the league and a lack of sharpness on our behalf in front of goal. The team will get much better when you consider that half of them haven't settled into the team yet (Moreno, Lambert, Lovren, Can, Markovic) and 3 were making their PL debuts. Confident we'll beat Spurs next week !
City stats first.
Tackles - 16 - 17
Tackles Won % : 81.3% to 82.4%
Clearances 26-20
Fouls Conceded : 13-7
Total Passes : 585 - 511
Passing Accuracy : 86.3% - 86.7%
Crosses : 12-25
Successful Crosses : 16.7% to 20%
Possession : 52.8% to 47.2%
Aeriel Duels Won : 41.7% to 58.3%
Interceptions : 9 - 11
Corners 6-7
Total Shots 9-11
On Target 4-3
Blocked Shots 1-4
Shot Accuracy 50% - 42.9%
Well my 2-1 prediction was a goal out but I wasn't at all too dismayed with that at all. It showed that City, playing the same team from last season, have a settled side that works extremely well. It was really too early for us to be playing them with the changes we've made. Our defence cost us two goals but when you have two players not only new to the team but one of them just off the plane then it was no surprise they came unstuck.
Can't blame Lovren for the 3rd, a sensational pass from Navas and not many CBs could outpace Aguero over 20m, I do blame Ming for leaving a gap at his near post that a double decker could have squeezed through though.
The first showed the lack of playing time (both together and for Moreno). The 2nd was just brilliant and impossible to stop. However there are no surprises when you look at that City attack.
In midfield we did very well and we didn't lose out to a powerful City midfield. Our passing all over the pitch was slick and accurate. Allen was superb but ran himself into the ground. Henderson had an off day for sure, as did Coutinho & Sterling. Sturridge was Studge, quiet most of the time and then explodes into action. We maybe saw some nervousness from new players (Moreno & Lambert) who both laid the ball off when they had great chances 1 on 1 and should have buried it themselves ! Henderson wasted two golden opportunities when behind the City defence, both times when it should have been first time across goal he took 2-3 touches and the opportunities were gone.
Markovic made his debut and shows great promise (as does Moreno once he gets that defensive side sorted). Manquillo should have started - Johnson was abysmal in the final ¼ of the pitch. We have pace to burn all over.
Here are the stats pretty much underlining that we played very well most of the game, just a couple of defensive slips by a new defence against the best attack in the league and a lack of sharpness on our behalf in front of goal. The team will get much better when you consider that half of them haven't settled into the team yet (Moreno, Lambert, Lovren, Can, Markovic) and 3 were making their PL debuts. Confident we'll beat Spurs next week !
City stats first.
Tackles - 16 - 17
Tackles Won % : 81.3% to 82.4%
Clearances 26-20
Fouls Conceded : 13-7
Total Passes : 585 - 511
Passing Accuracy : 86.3% - 86.7%
Crosses : 12-25
Successful Crosses : 16.7% to 20%
Possession : 52.8% to 47.2%
Aeriel Duels Won : 41.7% to 58.3%
Interceptions : 9 - 11
Corners 6-7
Total Shots 9-11
On Target 4-3
Blocked Shots 1-4
Shot Accuracy 50% - 42.9%
Very poor for the first goal, his fault we conceded. Apart from that he did well, more so going forward.
We're still going to win the league.
I thought our centre backs were fine. Moreno was shocking defensively for that goal. We cannot afford that especially away at the champions. We need to cut out the individual errors.
You don't need to worry about our position, or direction of movement in the league. It is completely irrelevant to you other than from a bitter rivals perspective.
If you keep falling at this rate we will soon be ahead. Plus Stevie G will never win the league.
Your CBs were to blame for the second. It was a wonderful goal, but the offside was played woefully: Lovren stepped out of defence, and Skrtel just stayed behind (with Johnson), putting 2 or 3 City players onside. One of them was definitely at fault for that. As for the third, fantastic pass but Lovren probably could've done better (Mignolet was more to blame for that one though maybe).
Centre backs were poor. Neville and Carra got it right. No communication and same problems as last season. Need to get them sorted out sharpish, though credit to City who made us make these mistakes.
There ain't many sides in the PL capable of producing the sort of football/passes that City do. We were well beaten, but not disgraced, by a very good team tonight. Feel more confident with tonight's performance than I did after our win against Southampton.
We have to play a Europa League tie on Thursday, so that may help you. But based on what I've seen so far this season of both teams, I'm fairly confident that you'll only get a draw at best.
& RVP will never get to know what it feels like to be part of a team that's champions of Europe.
He might if we keep signing players for £60mil.
Add another 3-4 big money signing over the last week of this window and next summer and who knows were we can go.
You certainly won't rollover this time. Pochettino completely sussed us out early last season. Not a walkover but really looking forward to Markovich and Balotelli against you lot.
City lost their first 4 games out of the first 10 last season and won the league, so I heard during the match.
Stinger.
There's no way we'll finish behind Liverpool or Arsenal this season, so don't know who else is going to stop us getting in the top 4...
Don't know why we tried to play a game of containment rather than our more natural counter attacking stuff. Did the same at the start of last season. Maybe has something to do with physical periodization.
In the past 3 years your club spent over a quarter of billion pounds on players & have actually gone on to becoming a worse side. That's some fecking achievement. Well done
What about the spending the 10 years previous to that?In the past 3 years your club spent over a quarter of billion pounds on players & have actually gone on to becoming a worse side. That's some fecking achievement. Well done
In the past 3 years your club spent over a quarter of billion pounds on players & have actually gone on to becoming a worse side. That's some fecking achievement. Well done
Most of that spending has come in the last 3 months. What an odd point to make.
In the past 3 years your club spent over a quarter of billion pounds on players & have actually gone on to becoming a worse side. That's some fecking achievement. Well done
[/QUOTE]Its only small change. We are just getting started. Meanwhile you are signing Lovren for £20mil.
Plus its all money we earned ourselves.
Why didn't Sakho start (WC?) or is Skrtel ahead of the pecking order? Markovic looked really positive in his cameo and made an instant impact on the left although it was relative to Coutinho being anonymous on the left flank prior to that. It was a decent display from Pool but they had 2 new defenders in the team and it showed. Liverpool have never been solid defensively under Rodgers but they will need time to bed in. Moreno was pretty decent throughout the match but his lack of awareness proved to be costly. However. I also think Coutinho's poor game impacted Moreno's attacking game early on as he looked better when Markovic came on. Perhaps time to bench Coutinho and give Markovic a run in the first team to show his first team status is under threat. I still don't understand why you guys still have Johnson in the team? The instance when he just tapped the ball into the City defender whilst trying to sprint past him was hilarious. Might as well not have played today...
Wasn't too impressed with Liverpool's midfield creatively though, the passing just wasn't incisive enough. Gerrard was pretty impressive with his passing but Henderson was rather poor tbh. However, he is in the side to provide drive, verve and the workrate/closing down like a midfield terrier rather than incision with his passing. I really think they could have brought a quality midfielder to replace Joe Allen who is decent possession wise but lacks a genuine offensive/creative facet to his game. Lucas also seems out of sorts and Can is still an unknown quantity. Perhaps a player in the mould of Alonso/Busquets could have been brought into free up Henderson, provide extra creativity from deep and relieve Gerrard of his defensive duties to a certain extent.
Offensively Sturridge and Sterling were fairly anonymous but that could be penned down to the lack of quality service from behind. They were up against a well-oiled City side who were very good defensively.
Wasn't too impressed with Liverpool's midfield creatively though, the passing just wasn't incisive enough. Gerrard was pretty impressive with his passing but Henderson was rather poor tbh. However, he is in the side to provide drive, verve and the workrate/closing down like a midfield terrier rather than incision with his passing. I really think they could have brought a quality midfielder to replace Joe Allen who is decent possession wise but lacks a genuine offensive/creative facet to his game. Lucas also seems out of sorts and Can is still an unknown quantity. Perhaps a player in the mould of Alonso/Busquets could have been brought into free up Henderson, provide extra creativity from deep and relieve Gerrard of his defensive duties to a certain extent.
Offensively Sturridge and Sterling were fairly anonymous but that could be penned down to the lack of quality service from behind. They were up against a well-oiled City side who were very good defensively.
Its the hope that kills you. GL anyways
Tbf, City were rather sly in this regard and were never really gung-ho in their attacking game. They were careful not to commit too many players forward and even played a pure defensive midfielder in Fernando instead of the more attacking Fernandinho. You guys never really got the chance to counter and it was down to your midfield to create chances which they struggled to do so. The game was not exactly open as a result and it required mistakes (Moreno for first goal and Mignolet for the third goal) or excellent play (the glorious flick from Jovetic to split Pool's defence/ great cross from Sturridge) to score. I struggle to think of many clear goalscoring opportunities throughout the game from both sides.
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Its only small change. We are just getting started. Meanwhile you are signing Lovren for £20mil.
Plus its all money we earned ourselves.[/QUOTE]
You still can't accept that the reason for your success was down to one man rather than money. It will dawn on you one day. In the meantime, good luck with all that transfer muppetry.
Its only small change. We are just getting started. Meanwhile you are signing Lovren for £20mil.
Plus its all money we earned ourselves.[/QUOTE]
You still can't accept that the reason for your success was down to one man rather than money. It will dawn on you one day. In the meantime, good luck with all that transfer muppetry.
Hell has well and truly frozen over. SAF getting credit over cash..
Or something to do with the £70 million player who was missing at the start of last season too.
I still think it was out of necessity that the blitz tactic was used last season. Perhaps he hoped your defence has improved to rely on a more sustained approach?
Of the Suarez "replacements" one was unfit, one didn't play and one hasn't yet trained.
Do you support Chelsea?In the past 3 years your club spent over a quarter of billion pounds on players & have actually gone on to becoming a worse side. That's some fecking achievement. Well done
You are implying Angel di Maria will make Manchester United a worse side?
Just out of curiousity, why say RVP?
Yep some good points. Except for a 10-15ish minute spell in the second half, I thought Liverpool looked comfortable - it took individual moments of error/brilliance to decide the game ultimately - up until 1-0 I was pretty happy with the way things were going. From there City tightened the noose and the Etihad is a very hard place to chase a game. All in all, disappointed but not too disheartened - it wasn't the worst performance.
The quality in that squad is frightening though. I think Man City are my favourites for the title.
Whatever it is, we're just not a team built for containment, at all.
Change it to Cantona or Robson or whoever you like.
Yet Stevie G will never know what its like to win a CL without cheating.
Fair enough, I just thought he would have gone for someone who's been at the club longer.
Please tell me you aren't a United supporter? Because while I don't think Liverpool will be able to match Chelsea/City this season they are still far better than us. It's sad really.
Just one for discussion re: Mignolet. Would Liverpool consider Cech? It is probably unlikely that Chelsea would let him leave (unless he pushed) but I think he would be a good signing for them. Mignolet just seems very inconsistent or suss. Capable of good saves too though.
The ones who've been here longer have won the CL
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For a team that Liverpool have been better than for the last ten years we sure are successfulThe ones who've been here longer have won the CL
I agree that Liverpool are currently a better functioning outfit, but we've just signed one of the best players on the planet and have Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Carrick, Rafael and Evans to come into the starting 11. The goals will flow sooner rather than later IMO and I wouldn't be surprised if we really picked ourselves up. Also, who knows what signings are still to come for us.