I've been talking about Cech for weeks. No way will Mourinho allow it though.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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I've been talking about Cech for weeks. No way will Mourinho allow it though.
He did allow Mata to come to United. Although the situation is a little different. Think he'd be brilliant for Liverpool too so maybe it is a good thing
I honestly think one of the reasons mourinho allowed the sale of mata to united was because he thought moyes would be around for a while and that he would not know what to do with or how to use him and would fail to get the best out of him (like he seemed to with every united player he managed). I would say he regrets it a bit now though and is hoping van gaal will struggle too.He did allow Mata to come to United. Although the situation is a little different. Think he'd be brilliant for Liverpool too so maybe it is a good thing
I thought City's defence were pretty crappy today, Kompany had a horrendous game and Fernando is just as defensively bad as Fernandinho. In the first half Liverpool had City's backs against the wall but it felt like they were lacking that extra cutting edge which Suarez provides. It didn't help when both Coutinho and Sterling struggled to influence the game.
I think with the football and the system they have, they shouldn't have any problems destroying the cannon fodders. In the big games, especially the CL, the loss of Suarez should probably come back and bite them.
I think with the football and the system they have, they shouldn't have any problems destroying the cannon fodders. In the big games, especially the CL, the loss of Suarez should probably come back and bite them.
I thought Kompany was quite good? He anticipated really well especially. What did you see that made him poor?
He had one highlight reel moment which was when he made a sliding clearance of Lambert's pass but other than that he was terrible. Sturridge had the beatings of him a few times in the box and towards the end he even missed a header which almost resulted in a goal. City lost their shape many times in game because he kept pushing up and got caught out of position.
Haha, good one.
He made another good block early on. Sensed the danger well and dashed out. I might have to have a re-watch of some Liverpool attacking moves then.
We'll obviously miss Suárez but I think what's more likely to cost us in Europe is our leaky defence, wouldn't fancy it against the top sides.
I'd be happy enough getting through the group, anything more than that is a bonus this season, focus has to be on staying in the top 4.
He did allow Mata to come to United. Although the situation is a little different. Think he'd be brilliant for Liverpool too so maybe it is a good thing
He wouldn't let us loan Demba Ba once he caught wind that we were singing Ozil. So who knows what Mourinho would do?
Liverpool looked a bit naive, and that will surely hurt them in the CL, but Rodgers really has them playing nice football at times. Gerrard is a bit of a liability as the lone DM (lost on the 2nd goal again today), but he's really taken well to the position as a passer. Sturridge looked sharp and Sterling did some nice things and looks a new and better player every month.
Moreno and Markovic looked a really promising left-side option as well. They'll still concede too many goals to challenge for the title with Gerrard and Henderson unable to track runners without getting distracted or lazy, fullbacks either not ready for weekly Prem defendng or Glen Johnson and Lovren adjusting (looked confused repeatedly today and was caught out for the 3rd goal), but they're the firm favorites for 4th for me ahead of Spurs (once Dier stops scoring every week), Everton and United. They look the most likely to hit 80 goals out of the 4, for sure.
Kind of crazy that they bought 3 Southampton players but Schneiderlin was the one they needed the most.
Moreno and Markovic looked a really promising left-side option as well. They'll still concede too many goals to challenge for the title with Gerrard and Henderson unable to track runners without getting distracted or lazy, fullbacks either not ready for weekly Prem defendng or Glen Johnson and Lovren adjusting (looked confused repeatedly today and was caught out for the 3rd goal), but they're the firm favorites for 4th for me ahead of Spurs (once Dier stops scoring every week), Everton and United. They look the most likely to hit 80 goals out of the 4, for sure.
Kind of crazy that they bought 3 Southampton players but Schneiderlin was the one they needed the most.
Was always going to be the likely result, hopefully this is a reality check to certain sections of Liverpool fans(basically, one of my mates, and a few lunatics dotted around the internet), about challenging for the league, not going to happen.
I think Henderson and Coutinho had pretty bad games in the sense that both got into some really good positions but Coutinho seemed to just be off his game, was misplacing easy passes that could have led to good opportunities, and Henderson seemed to only play thee ball backwards, as if he lacked the belief to play more probing balls.
Obviously as mentioned not tracking runners was a big issue, and probably will be for the season, particularly in these types of game. But that was common knowledge last season as well.
I think Henderson and Coutinho had pretty bad games in the sense that both got into some really good positions but Coutinho seemed to just be off his game, was misplacing easy passes that could have led to good opportunities, and Henderson seemed to only play thee ball backwards, as if he lacked the belief to play more probing balls.
Obviously as mentioned not tracking runners was a big issue, and probably will be for the season, particularly in these types of game. But that was common knowledge last season as well.
You're basing that on QPR - which you really shouldn't because they look far and away the worst team in the league so far, and Spurs did not look so good against West Ham gaining a lucky win ! Whereas we eked out a victory against a tough Southampton team and then our new look side played the unchanged and settled Champions away from home, where City swept aside nearly everyone last season, however Liverpool were not dominated but conceded to mostly superb passing and finishing by top class players. There are huge differences in the degrees of difficulty between our opponents so far.
I expect Balotelli, Lallana or Markovic, Flanno (Moreno is injured) and Manquillo (Johnson is injured) all to come in and start against you next week, wouldn't be surprised to see the midfield diamond. You won't enjoy the possession you have to date so it will be interesting to see what you can do without it. Suffice to say we won't be looking for a draw !
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I was pretty mortified to see Gerrard jogging, dawdling and even walking around at times miles out of position. To me that is a bit scary.
Of course I am a United supporter
, Liverpool have made the mistake of spending Suarez's money on averageness , whilst although they need more numbers for the European matches, frankly there is not one player in their squad that I would like to see in ours. With Suarez they would have been a threat, without him and the increased number of matches this season , they will find the season tough going. Defensively they haven't improved and swapping Suarez for Balotelli isn't going to improve them either.Cech would be an improvement on Mignolet - Mignolet is capable of good saves but always will make the odd mistake
Please, no insults
,Chelsea and City are our targets to overcome, Liverpool average buys, more matches and loss of Suarez is not going to improve them. While Arsenal have a wealth of talent in midfield, defence is still weak and short of numbers in attack
Just to say I thought Moreno was ace ! A pity about his error, a lack of communication, surprised by that downward header or maybe just not up to the pace of the PL. He's going to be great though, very fast, good tackler, puts in excellent crosses and is confident and technically sound - I can see why Rodgers was so persistent in his efforts to secure him. I just wish he had shot when through on goal instead of trying to cut it back.
He's going to miss the Sours match but hopefully we'll see him back soon after.
He's going to miss the Sours match but hopefully we'll see him back soon after.
Of course I am a United supporter
Now THAT is as biased, and blinkered, an opinion as you will ever see on a forum.
Name me one
I thought the scousers did well against Citeh especially the first 30 minutes where they dominated. Rodgers did the smart thing by playing 3 in the middle vs Yaya and Fernando but in the end it just didnt pay off. Jovetic had a brilliant game and City as a whole have so much quality that can turn the game around in an instant. Moreno did quite well apart from the error for the first goal he'll be a good player for them. Markovic impressed when he came on created more chances in his first few minutes than Coutinho did for the whole time he was on.
Both teams are far ahead of us in terms at the moment. City have quality all over the pitch whereas Liverpool have a good manager who knows how to utilize his players well.
Both teams are far ahead of us in terms at the moment. City have quality all over the pitch whereas Liverpool have a good manager who knows how to utilize his players well.
Strangely thought you guys looked better in defeat last night than you did in the win over Southampton.
Didn't take your chances and City did though, suppose there is always going to be a bedding in period with 2 new defenders (could be 3 if Johnson is out for a while).
Didn't take your chances and City did though, suppose there is always going to be a bedding in period with 2 new defenders (could be 3 if Johnson is out for a while).
Please, no insults
Chelsea and City are our targets to overcome, Liverpool average buys, more matches and loss of Suarez is not going to improve them. While Arsenal have a wealth of talent in midfield, defence is still weak and short of numbers in attack
There's actually six teams who finished above you. Baby steps, big fella, let's get that first win on the board first.
I changed my opinion on the transfers this summer. A new keeper is not too much to ask - It's actually kinda urgent.
Cech would be amazing, Valdes will do, or anyone new really.
Mignolet will be a reassuring backup though. I could learn to love him on the bench.
Cech would be amazing, Valdes will do, or anyone new really.
Mignolet will be a reassuring backup though. I could learn to love him on the bench.
You're kidding yourself.
He has to be a WUM.
Johnson is long overdue for the glue factory - Don't understand what has happened to him. He looks genuinely sedated on the pitch. So much breaks down through him and he offers nothing to compensate. That point where he tried to go past a defender by jogging straight through him summed it up. What happens on the pitch and in his mind are just completely out of sync. Thought he'd recover but apparently not. Don't know if he's depressed or simply given up on football, but he's not present on the pitch anymore. Thankfully, we've two other rightbacks now.
Moreno excited me. No excuse for dozing for the first goal, but you can see what he can bring to the team.
Markovic looks like he's going to be a delightful player to watch as well.
At the end of the day, we lost away from home to the best team in the league in the second game of the season and had some good positives to take from it. That's not a game that left me thinking we'll need to do a whole lot better to win games this year.
Moreno excited me. No excuse for dozing for the first goal, but you can see what he can bring to the team.
Markovic looks like he's going to be a delightful player to watch as well.
At the end of the day, we lost away from home to the best team in the league in the second game of the season and had some good positives to take from it. That's not a game that left me thinking we'll need to do a whole lot better to win games this year.
Last season yes under incompetence, not this season, you'll see, quote me at the end of the season
@redman5
They will make one more signing most likely even if it is Blind. And this team below is capable of hitting 90+ points next season once Louis van Gaal's system is fully embedded.
- - - - - - De Gea - - - - - -
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
- - - - Blind - - Herrera - -
- - - - - - - Mata - - - - - -
Di Maria - Rooney - Januzaj
The squad depth also is good.
United just have confidence problems that need sorting and also they need to adjust to a new system, we will find out by christmas whether this happens.
I'm not worried at all.
They will make one more signing most likely even if it is Blind. And this team below is capable of hitting 90+ points next season once Louis van Gaal's system is fully embedded.
- - - - - - De Gea - - - - - -
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
- - - - Blind - - Herrera - -
- - - - - - - Mata - - - - - -
Di Maria - Rooney - Januzaj
The squad depth also is good.
United just have confidence problems that need sorting and also they need to adjust to a new system, we will find out by christmas whether this happens.
I'm not worried at all.
I don't think he was ever really rated by us. I think most of us saw another squaddie on a free and hoped he could be a bit of a hidden gem. Wasn't.
Ratings
Ming 5 : He really was way out of position to stop that 3rd goal and looked like he had lost his bearings. Pity Chelsea would never sell Cech to us.
Moreno 7 : As above. A pity about his error, a lack of communication, surprised by that downward header or maybe just not up to the pace of the PL. He's going to be great though, very fast, good tackler, puts in excellent crosses and is confident and technically sound - I can see why Rodgers was so persistent in his efforts to secure him. I just wish he had shot when through on goal instead of trying to cut it back.
Lovren 4 : He needs to get on the same page as Skrtel with each directing their respective FBs into position. With the 1st it was difficult, zero pace on the ball but his header should have been better, put it out of play or even up into the air to give himself time to re-adjust. I don't blame him as much for their 3rd as some. It was a superb inch-perfect pass from Navas and Aguero beat Lovren for pace over 20m.
Skrtel 5 : He continues to remain static, both in pressing forward and in closing that gap to Lovren when Lovren moves towards an attacker. Forget what ever else he did because that alone is causing a huge headache.
Johnson 5 : It wasn't in defence that was the problem today because City targeted Moreno. It was in attack - I had to vent at the TV on numerous occasions when he ran out of ideas and lost possession or passed the ball way. I'm pleased Manquillo will be back in the team next week.
Gerrard 6 : a bit too quiet for me for the captain. Solid without being exceptional though he did amble around a little too much in the 2nd.
Coutinho 5 : He really is an inconsistent player. I actually think he needs more space in front of him, he's superb running from deep or on the break but not so creative and loses possession too frequently for my liking when camped around a strong defensive team. Sterling or Lallana may be better at #10 in matches like this.
Henderson 6 : Far far from his best game. His energy doesn't give him a pass on this one. Twice he got in behind their defence and twice fecked it up by taking too many touches when all he had to do was a one touch pass across the face of the goal. Seemed to lack attacking verve yesterday too.
Allen 8 : I thought he was excellent until running out of steam. All over the pitch, defensively aggressive and constantly available for the pass. Instigated a lot of our attacks. He was superb in midfield and gave YaYa a real run for his money.
Sterling 6 : The bar is set rather higher for young Raheem this season ..and he didn't reach it. Seemed to lack creativity for once and wasn't aggressive enough in his attacking.
Sturridge 7 : Typical Studge. Very quiet and then exploded into action. He did look to take them on and was a little unlucky not to get something for his troubles apart from an assist (if given).
Rodgers 8 : I didn't see anything wrong in the way he set us up. His subs came early and were aggressive. The fact we had the better of the match up until the 1st goal was promising. In the 2nd we had to press and City are a team with world class players who can exploit that. The 1st goal decided the pattern of the match, had we got it the whole game could have been turned on it's head.
Ming 5 : He really was way out of position to stop that 3rd goal and looked like he had lost his bearings. Pity Chelsea would never sell Cech to us.
Moreno 7 : As above. A pity about his error, a lack of communication, surprised by that downward header or maybe just not up to the pace of the PL. He's going to be great though, very fast, good tackler, puts in excellent crosses and is confident and technically sound - I can see why Rodgers was so persistent in his efforts to secure him. I just wish he had shot when through on goal instead of trying to cut it back.
Lovren 4 : He needs to get on the same page as Skrtel with each directing their respective FBs into position. With the 1st it was difficult, zero pace on the ball but his header should have been better, put it out of play or even up into the air to give himself time to re-adjust. I don't blame him as much for their 3rd as some. It was a superb inch-perfect pass from Navas and Aguero beat Lovren for pace over 20m.
Skrtel 5 : He continues to remain static, both in pressing forward and in closing that gap to Lovren when Lovren moves towards an attacker. Forget what ever else he did because that alone is causing a huge headache.
Johnson 5 : It wasn't in defence that was the problem today because City targeted Moreno. It was in attack - I had to vent at the TV on numerous occasions when he ran out of ideas and lost possession or passed the ball way. I'm pleased Manquillo will be back in the team next week.
Gerrard 6 : a bit too quiet for me for the captain. Solid without being exceptional though he did amble around a little too much in the 2nd.
Coutinho 5 : He really is an inconsistent player. I actually think he needs more space in front of him, he's superb running from deep or on the break but not so creative and loses possession too frequently for my liking when camped around a strong defensive team. Sterling or Lallana may be better at #10 in matches like this.
Henderson 6 : Far far from his best game. His energy doesn't give him a pass on this one. Twice he got in behind their defence and twice fecked it up by taking too many touches when all he had to do was a one touch pass across the face of the goal. Seemed to lack attacking verve yesterday too.
Allen 8 : I thought he was excellent until running out of steam. All over the pitch, defensively aggressive and constantly available for the pass. Instigated a lot of our attacks. He was superb in midfield and gave YaYa a real run for his money.
Sterling 6 : The bar is set rather higher for young Raheem this season ..and he didn't reach it. Seemed to lack creativity for once and wasn't aggressive enough in his attacking.
Sturridge 7 : Typical Studge. Very quiet and then exploded into action. He did look to take them on and was a little unlucky not to get something for his troubles apart from an assist (if given).
Rodgers 8 : I didn't see anything wrong in the way he set us up. His subs came early and were aggressive. The fact we had the better of the match up until the 1st goal was promising. In the 2nd we had to press and City are a team with world class players who can exploit that. The 1st goal decided the pattern of the match, had we got it the whole game could have been turned on it's head.
No on second thought you're right. A team that finished an extremely comfortable (laughable, to them) amount of points ahead of United has not a single player that could get into your squad. Not one.
Had a feeling we'd see that type of display from Lovren in a Liverpool jersey. They need to protect him better from midfield or we'll see more of his Lyon type performances.
Yep. That about sums it up. I'm not down at all - lots of positive signs (and some work to be done on the defence) but it's a new team and will take some time to work well as a unit. Not many teams go to City and come away with the best Match Stats .. bar the most important one of all.
The biggest positive of all ? We are 3 points up from the respective matches from last season (0 points).
I don't think Lovren had a bad game. The only thing you can fault him for at the first goal was assuming Moreno didn't need 2-3 seconds to decide what to do with that ball.
For the third, maybe a centreback with beastly pace would have stopped him, but that was never Lovren's shtick anyway - We conceded because a striker with deadly pace ran on to a perfect through ball and then found the near post so wide open he could sidefoot it into the net.
Johnson and Mignolet were our worst players. Henderson and Coutinho disappointed. Allen, Moreno (error for the first aside) and Sturridge looked good (although Sturridge took time to get in the game), the rest were decent enough.
For the third, maybe a centreback with beastly pace would have stopped him, but that was never Lovren's shtick anyway - We conceded because a striker with deadly pace ran on to a perfect through ball and then found the near post so wide open he could sidefoot it into the net.
Johnson and Mignolet were our worst players. Henderson and Coutinho disappointed. Allen, Moreno (error for the first aside) and Sturridge looked good (although Sturridge took time to get in the game), the rest were decent enough.
The roles were more than reversed the year before DM and Suarez has gone, I mean on a like for like basis, if you added Sterling and Sturridge as back-ups and Gerrard a few years ago yes but ...
Don't think Moreno gets a 7, all three goals came down his left channel. City spent 51% of their play down that side, clearly targetting him, Lovren and Coutinho who didn't help out a great deal. Considering Allen was on that side as well I think that was your weak point and Rodgers got it wrong tactically. We all know by now how good city are down that flank with Zabaleta and Nasri or Navas.
Of course, it's just one game and a tough one at that so Moreno will probably still come good. Evra had a mare on his debut v City and went on to become a legend.
Of course, it's just one game and a tough one at that so Moreno will probably still come good. Evra had a mare on his debut v City and went on to become a legend.
Glad I put a smile on someone's face today (job done then) ! But I'm sure you get the gist
Whilst that is all true I don't think we can apportion any blame to Moreno for the other goals (I mean that was an obscenely brilliant pass from Navas for the 3rd) and everything else he did (check out the video above) was damn good for a youngster making his PL debut.