Put a tenner on them losing 8-0 tonight.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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It's a good thing he's only been played there once! He's significantly better with the ball than Javi Garcia (he can dribble quite well for instance).
Oooh. Ignoring the first little dig.
They certainly don't. In fact that statement couldn't be more wrong. Have you seen the treatment Lovren and Balotelli have been getting on RAWK? Also, it's probably a confirmation bias with you and Can.
Henderson looks a bargain at £16m. Would gladly take Can becoming another Henderson, but they aren't that similar from what I've seen. Ok, I'm deluded! I only wish I could be more like you mate and be the voice of reason. We'll see who's right in a few years I suppose.
To be fair I would say Henderson is probably the most improved player in the Premier League over the last few years, Seems to be getting better every year. This coming from someone that thought he was atrocious watching him in the England under 21's a few years ago.
He's improved from atrocious to mediocre, I'll give you that.
Henderson mediocre? Wtf?
When Lovren and Balotelli were signed, most liverpool supporter were incredible excited. Mario was up there with the very best and Lovren was the missing quality in defence. Only after a couple of terrible performances rawk turned on them. Can just didnt get the same opportunity yet due to his injury.
Dont be too salty. Next year is your year. yawn.
It's not like signing Can meant a sizeable outlay on Liverpool's part in fairness. If he can reach the same level as Henderson - who is a very good player - then he's a snip for less than £10M.
The guy is twenty years old. There is absolutely no way you can be sure how good he'll be in a couple of years.
If Henderson is mediocre, then what term would you use to describe Wilshere who Henderson has completely surpassed?
No they weren't. Most were completely reserved on Lovren and the supporters were split with Balotelli. A lot wanted him for his madness and a lot didn't want us to go near him. There were similar split reactions with Lallana and Lambert (though the perception of Lallana has changed because he has looked good). Can has played five games in a new league at 20/21 and he's not looked bad in any of them.
On here, no one was reserved on Lovren.
Lovren is a decent defender imo, though perhaps £20m was a little steep.
The issue with Liverpool at the moment (and us to a certain extent) is that there doesn't seem to be a recognisable system/setup and no real leader at the back barking instructions to people. You could put much better players than Lovren in there and the end result would probably be the same.
As I said, dropping Gerrard could be argued to be improving the team, but leaving Sterling out surely wouldn't be. Perhaps the directors might differ in opinion, but this sort of night is what you qualified for - huge game, potentially crucial in you actually qualifying from the group, go and get a little glory!!
As much as I dislike Liverpool, I hate to see English teams getting humped in the CL, so hopefully they go out and give it a real go, rather than just sitting back and waiting for the inevitable.
The issue with Liverpool at the moment (and us to a certain extent) is that there doesn't seem to be a recognisable system/setup and no real leader at the back barking instructions to people. You could put much better players than Lovren in there and the end result would probably be the same.
As I said, dropping Gerrard could be argued to be improving the team, but leaving Sterling out surely wouldn't be. Perhaps the directors might differ in opinion, but this sort of night is what you qualified for - huge game, potentially crucial in you actually qualifying from the group, go and get a little glory!!
As much as I dislike Liverpool, I hate to see English teams getting humped in the CL, so hopefully they go out and give it a real go, rather than just sitting back and waiting for the inevitable.
I'd also say it's vaguely disrespectful to the competition and to the travelling fans to field a weakened team at the Bernabeu, even though it might make sense in the grand scheme of things (not that I think it'll change much against Chelsea).
Henderson is a nice addition for teams that wants to challenge for titles - a good teamplayer you eventually need - but he wouldnt look out of place playing for a midtable team.
Can could eventually turn out similar, but thats still a long way for him.
To make a inaccurate and bad United comparison: Fellaini turns out to be a useful player, but buying a young lad with his talent would be pointless. If you put in effort to develop a talent you usually want at least a chance that he turns out great.
You are right that there is always uncertainty about the future of players. There is always the chance that he turns things around. Still i saw Can since he is 16 and he follows a fairly known pattern. His early physical development allowed him to be incredible dominant for the youth teams. He played with the body of a grown man against children and obviously he stood out. He was fantastic at this age and got a lot of praise as "the next big thing."
Once joining the first team he heavily struggled because its way harder to physically dominate other grown up professional athletes. He did okay for Leverkusen, but was nothing special. He´ll never fullfill the hype he got during the age of 16/17.
Can could eventually turn out similar, but thats still a long way for him.
To make a inaccurate and bad United comparison: Fellaini turns out to be a useful player, but buying a young lad with his talent would be pointless. If you put in effort to develop a talent you usually want at least a chance that he turns out great.
You are right that there is always uncertainty about the future of players. There is always the chance that he turns things around. Still i saw Can since he is 16 and he follows a fairly known pattern. His early physical development allowed him to be incredible dominant for the youth teams. He played with the body of a grown man against children and obviously he stood out. He was fantastic at this age and got a lot of praise as "the next big thing."
Once joining the first team he heavily struggled because its way harder to physically dominate other grown up professional athletes. He did okay for Leverkusen, but was nothing special. He´ll never fullfill the hype he got during the age of 16/17.
Nope, I'll be the first to hold my hands up and say I was happy enough with him especially compared to the other shite that was being transferred like Vermaelan, Rojo and the overpriced Mangala and Luiz.
So rotation is considered fielding a weakened team? It's not the ressies that will be getting a game.
He would because he has significantly more quality than any midfielder at a midtable team.
What has happened to the "Red Cafu"?
When Lovren was transferred, I remember discussing him with many Liverpool fans on here (maybe you too?) and he was never considered to be a great signing in comparison with other transfers. He was considered a great signing because he was apparently one of the best CBs in the league last year (which was revisionism at the very least, and short sighted). He was going to be the solution to your defensive woes, and there was really no middle ground on him. I seem to recall you also raving about his first performance(s) even though he'd been mediocre.
I'll have to disagree on that one. Henderson has transformed into an excellent midfielder.
Injured. He's significantly worse than Manquillo, but I can see him getting back in the team ahead of him when fit.
Would you like me to pull up people's team of the seasons last year? Lovren featured heavily.
you're absolutely spot on Barney. He was named in here a grand total of one time, by alastair, in his 'overrated XI' list. Very heavily indeed.
It's borderline disgraceful in my eyes. Basically forfeiting this game.
And the way they've played recently it won't even matter come this weekend because Chelsea will probably smash them. That would be embarrassing for Rodgers.
Without the dosh and PL place you simply can't attract/afford to buy, the better players. Basically it's qualifying for it means $$$ and progressing through to the last 16/8 means $. Ergo qualifying is more important than progressing.
Well, Liverpool can't attract top players regardless of where they finish, to be fair.
Amazing. Able to judge a 20 yr old showing promise as a sure failure. What scouts would give for your prescience.
Spot on. With everything above. The problem is Lovren was / is supposed to be that leader. We can only hope that he recovers his form of the 2nd half of last season and shows that he is indeed the leader we expected.
Naughty, naughty. If you mean can we afford to pay £65m for a Di Maria and the salary Falcao demanded ... no, you'd be absolutely right saying that. However can we attract top quality players (and in my dictionary, and that of most fans, there is a distinction between a 'top quality player' and a 'world class star') then undoubtedly that would be a yes.
Well actually you could afford Di Maria, you spent £120m, only £30m less than us, this summer. You could also afford Sanchez (who reportedly rejected you), Fabregas, Costa etc. Basically according to your summer spending spree and recent activity you could most definitely afford pretty much every top player who has moved into the premier league.
So yeah, you can't attract them.
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What an embarrassment for Rodgers and liverpool if they do put out a weakened team. Obviously they have little chance either way, but give it a go at least. What's the point in being in that competition if you just write it off and treat it like the capital one cup. It's not like they have much of a chance vs chelsea either, with their "better" players who aren't that good apart from Sterling anyways.
I genuinely feel for liverpool fans a bit if that is what Rodgers does. A defeatist mentality like that should be nowhere near a big club.
I genuinely feel for liverpool fans a bit if that is what Rodgers does. A defeatist mentality like that should be nowhere near a big club.
Do UEFA have any rules about fielding a weakened team? I know there was uproar a few seasons back when the FA went after a club for doing it.
So after years of waiting to get back into the CL, he's playing a weakened team vs Madrid. Blimey 
You can just imagine it, an assistant comes running upto a Uefa official with paper in hand. Sir, sir, the Madrid game (pant) weakened...team. The official sits down at his desk, carefully puts on his glasses and says 'knew it'. Typical of these big teams, think they run the competition. So who have Real drop......WHAAAAAA?
which top quality players did Liverpool buy during the last three years?
You completely ignored where he mentioned wages...
Dropping Gerrard, Johnson and Balotelli would probably improve the team
I doubt Rodgers sees it that way though.They have Wed/Thu and Fri to rest before playing Chelsea, who aren't playing until tomorrow in the CL and they are away from home as well for both CL and on Saturday. Rodgers is overthinking this imo - just put out your strongest XI and go for it.............
That's why I left out Falcao.
Also I'm still waiting on all these Lovren team of the year things (lol barney)
So instead of singing 6-7 average players why not sign 2-3 top players?