I hate to admit it, but I like the squad they are building. Full of potential
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Di Marzio. Lucas also removed all of his old Liverpool information that was on his profile description apparently.
In the latter stages, against certain teams perhaps. But I don't expect lesser teams in the group stages to offer the same intensity we see in the PL.
& I expressed an opinion. No need for the condescending tone.
I think that would be a mistake by Liverpool for what it's worth. I don't know much about Can but IMO Gerrard is still learning how to play the holding role, Henderson is robbed of his main strength which is his running if he plays there, and Allen is a good passer but a bit small and weak in the air and tackle. Lucas is still your only specialised holding midfielder, I remember the 3-3 at Everton this year where i thought he kept you in the game 2nd half, Delafeou in particular was ripping you apart in the spaces left by your fullbacks pushing on yet Lucas got no praise at all.
Likewise, not sure if Lucas should be sold. If he gets back to form, he's a proper asset.
Though, if it is to clear the way for another midfielder with a different profile, I suppose he would be the one to make way.
Though, if it is to clear the way for another midfielder with a different profile, I suppose he would be the one to make way.
Real Madrid had a net spend of £46m last season, I wouldn't say that's spending your load. Maybe for a club in Liverpool's financial situation it is however Real Madrid are far wealthier, they sold £100m worth of players last season.
The selling of di Maria, Khedira and Casillas would raise £80m.
There is no competition for Suarez' signature as far as we are aware because Liverpool's negotiation tactics have not created competition for his signature.
Guardian's football editor is saying Markovic is flying to England tomorrow to finalise a €25m deal.
He'll be a great signing for you lot.
I'm enjoying all this ITK analysis of how Liverpool are playing all this. You'd think Liverpool weren't doing well out of this. If reports are true he's going for a very fair fee and one that other clubs aren't prepared to compete with. What's actually stopping Real bidding?
Finding an angle to have a pop without any actual knowledge of how these negotiations began is just biased hot air.
I'm not sure what they could do to be honest, everyone knows the buy-out clause, you can't really get an auction going between Barca and Real when they can talk to the player is they offer the amount of the clause.
I was responding directly to your point that Real Madrid 'blew their load' last year.
But regarding the point in this post, if you think losing Suarez for a reported £75m release clause is doing well then that's fine, I would sooner Ronaldo than the £80m myself.
Bale went for £85m according to the English media, Suarez and Bale were similar level last season but this Suarez went up a notch, at his current level he is probably behind Messi and Ronaldo only, therefore Brendan Rodgers' assertion a while back he is worth at least £100m is correct in my opinion and so your opinion liverpool are doing well to get the release clause I wouldn't agree with on the basis I think that's a 25% discount for Barcelona assuming it's £75m.
You guys could do with Sanchez due to the difficulty you're facing attracting players on that level, if you could do something to ensure he were part of the deal then that should be done. To not get him in a part exchange would be a shame, I hope the Liverpool management are looking to tempt Real Madrid into entering the race, Barcelona have too much negotiating power currently since Suarez (from what we understand) wants to leave and Barcelona are the only club interested.
If Barcelona offered Sanchez they could then proceed to influence Suarez toward them as opposed to Madrid.
Thank goodness Coutinho wasn't in that squad.
Fred > Coutinho. Think about that!
If Brendan Rodgers was managing Fred, he'd be a world class player like Sturridge.
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I never said I wouldn't prefer to keep him, but that's not on the table so you have to make the best of the situation. Regarding comparisons with Bale, that was a deal with a totally different player. You may have heard that Suarez has done some stuff recently that will undoubtedly affected his currency and marketing cache. Players In this price bracket are bought, in part, as PR exercises. Bale's image is obviously a lot more marketable than Suarez which influences the cost.
In addition, it's not Liverpool's doing that only Barca are interested. Real have never really been seriously in for him. It's only their reputation that brings them into the conversation. Liverpool are run by some pretty ruthless business people, the idea that they won't get the best available price for their best asset is a stretch. There's a reason why this is now dragging on.
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Spurs have launched a last chance bid to land Origi though we still remain confident of landing him.
After Markovic is completed we will make a move for Lovren.
We're interested in Bertrand and Moreno still, but we're getting frustrated at the latter's price tag.
Those were the main points of a Tony Barrett article in the Times this morning.
After Markovic is completed we will make a move for Lovren.
We're interested in Bertrand and Moreno still, but we're getting frustrated at the latter's price tag.
Those were the main points of a Tony Barrett article in the Times this morning.
So, the ones they have signed and been linked with.
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Despite being so critical of many other posters that have done the same, you are forming assumptions for you don't know whether Real Madrid have or have not seriously been in for him. Since we know only of that which is in the media, prior to these recent weeks there was at least just as much talk he would sign for Real Madrid.
Let us assume £75m is the correct release fee clause as this is the only relevant information we have for this discussion. You seem to be of the opinion this is the best price for him therefore this implies it is his valuation, I am of the opinion you could have got more. There is a release clause so it might be out of your control but I would not consider anything less than extracting your club's true valuation of this player 'doing well'. With the release clause to do well is to convince him to stay, it's been done when you didn't have champions league football so surely it is a possibility after the season just gone, another way to do well is to get Sanchez in a part exchange that values him fairly.
For the record, I would not consider £80m for Ronaldo as doing well. Doing well would have been convincing him that his future is in Manchester, keeping him for another two or three seasons so his valuation would rise further or extracting £100m+ for him or £80m and another quality player from the opponents.
Out of curiosity does it mention what Moreno's price tag is?
I guess the whole thing is conjecture in lieu of any hard facts so it's pointless speculating based on assumptions, so I take your point here.
How? Genuinely, these things are negotiated by financial experts who sit around a table deciding clauses and terms of very expensive transfers. There are so many variables we are not privy to it is such a blind call to say Liverpool could have got more (that said it's wrong to talk in the past tense here as no fee has been released yet).
Last year was a different situation; for starters it was Arsenal and if you actually read the quotes Suarez never mentioned wanting to go there - it was never his dream move. I genuinely think he thought the big 2 were going to come in for him as well. Also the fee was very low in relation to what Liverpool valued him at so a "no" was straightforward.
This year, by contrast, Barca are in for him which is a game changer. In addition, it appears a very strategic contract has been drawn up in anticipation of an approach from Barca. It's guess work but I think this deal has been hanging in the air since last autumn. With this in mind Liverpool allowed a release clause to be set which will have been negotiated by Suarez's agents who would have wanted to keep it as low as possible. £75m seems like a compromise figure that suits both Liverpool and Saurez's team who want him to go to Spain without pricing out Barca or Real.
Had Liverpool not complied with Suarez's team he may not have signed his new contract and Liverpool may have been vulnerable to bids that would have significantly unsettled Suarez but wouldn't have satisfied Liverpool's minimum valuation.
There are wheels within wheels here and simply stating that Liverpool are getting a poor deal doesn't do justice to the complexity of how these things probably work.
Liverpool should not accept only what they can get. Had Barcelona offered only £50m they should not sell, they should value the player and accept only that.
In this case they've been forced into £75m due to a release clause set last season, without a release clause I would not be surprised if Suarez' valuation would be much higher and then they could offer a discount on the basis you get Sanchez, increasing the likelihood of only your offer being accepted for the player.
I'm aware I'm setting a very high standard of expectation but when you want to be the best this needs to be done not just on the field but off it too. Suarez is worth so much to Liverpool's efforts of sustained champions league football and realising the dream of becoming premier league champions, or at least he is in my opinion.
The consequences of this compromise in my personal opinion is £25m.
Suarez is too valuable to Liverpool to lose for £75m especially when you consider their difficulty in attracting talent at the absolute highest level, not replacing him will probably (again my opinion) put Liverpool in a weaker position next season than they started this season in terms of their team's ability.
As a United fan, I would personally love them to lose Suarez for £75m and I am very happy at the current signings and those players linked. Even Jurgen Klopp had top talent at his disposal such as Goetze, Lewandowski, Hummels, Gundogan and Reus. I think I would (excluding Suarez) put only Sterling in that category and even then it's the potential ability of his.
I didn't simply state Liverpool are getting a poor deal because not doing well does not equate to poor. £100m for me constitutes doing well, £50m would be poor therefore £75m is neither poor nor doing well.
You are right that without a release clause Liverpool could have lost Suarez for less, but again in my opinion they could have got more. This is why I do not consider them to have done poor but also I cannot consider them to have done well. Just like I cannot consider United to have done well by selling Ronaldo for £80m although I will say they did poor either.
Having watched David Luiz's performance last night, & the fact he's been sold for £50 million. I can't help but feel we've been mugged by Barcelona.
£20m apparently.
Don't think they're too worried to be honest. Many were praising Luiz up until this match when he had the partnership going with Silva. When those two are together at PSG they'll be one of the best CB partnerships in the world.How do you think PSG feel?
How do you think PSG feel?
nonplussed. It's only 50m.
Wow, not exactly a bargain. Still though with the Suarez money I can't imagine it's that big an obstacle? Not when the alternative is Ryan Bertrand...
Telegraph saying Origi is due on Merseyside today to finalise terms. Di Marzio is saying he'll sign a contract and have a medical today. Di Marzio also says that Markovic will do the same tomorrow.
Tentative enquiries have been made about Ben Davies according to Barrett.
Would be a very good signing and will be great value too.
I'd prefer him to Bertrand.
We're being to Bony too (not by anyone too reliable). I'd probably cry if we signed him.
I will be interesting too see if/when Suarez is old how Liverpool will fare. Personally I don't see a top 4 finish and I think we'll see a drop off from Sturridge as well.
Amazingly I still think Suarez's impact was still massively underrated even missing the games that he did he still put up video game numbers and his teammates benefitted from the attention he necessitated.
I suspect that his teammates benefited much more than most people realized and they find it much more difficult to be as successful in 2014-2015.
This one looks a lot like the Bale process that Spurs went through.
Amazingly I still think Suarez's impact was still massively underrated even missing the games that he did he still put up video game numbers and his teammates benefitted from the attention he necessitated.
I suspect that his teammates benefited much more than most people realized and they find it much more difficult to be as successful in 2014-2015.
This one looks a lot like the Bale process that Spurs went through.
The only way that our summer resembles Spurs is that we're buying a lot of players. Our squad was no where near as reliant on Suarez as Tottenham's was on Bale. We also have a wonderful young manager. Add to that the fact that we don't have a DoF buying players that the manager clearly didn't want. Sturridge's form has been better without Suarez too.
I bet my house on it......Barca will meet Liverpool in the CL next season
Who will Luis bite?
One fan or Rodgers
There's a lot of revisionism going on about Spurs window last summer. Most thought they'd had a fantastic window.
Paulinho, Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen were considered 4 very good players..
Paulinho, Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen were considered 4 very good players..
It was more a failure of integration with Spurs. Those players are all capable of playing good football.